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Don't think I trust BitTorrent anymore...here's why!
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X-Nemesis
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22. October 2003 @ 21:29 |
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I got these emails from my isp...2 in two days. I'll just show you the files that were I'd been nabbed on using BT.
Internet Anti-Piracy Team,
Worldwide Anti-Piracy Operations
VIVENDI UNIVERSAL ENTERTAINMENT.
Title: 2 Fast 2 Furious
Infringement Source: BitTorrent
Initial Infringement Timestamp: 13 Oct 2003 03:11:54 GMT
Recent Infringment Timestamp: 13 Oct 2003 03:11:54 GMT
Infringer Username: None
Infringing Filename: 2.Fast.2.Furious.2003.DVDScr.DivX.AC3.5.1CH.2CDs
Infringing Filesize: 1468948217
Infringers IP Address:
Infringers DNS Name:
Infringing URL:6882/2.Fast.2.Furious.2003.DVDScr.DivX.AC3.5.1CH.2CDs
AND
Infringed Work: Italian Job, The
Infringing FileName: The.Italian.Job.DVDRiP.XViD-DEiTY
Infringing FileSize: 1468203209
Protocol: BitTorrent
Infringers IP Address:
Infringer's User Name: None
Infringement Timestamp: 10 Oct 2003 08:24:24 GMT
Both of these were obtained through Suprnova...does this mean that these files were seeded in order to nab p2p'ers?
Is BT trustable anymore or is it going to become suspicious...not knowing if what you are getting is being tracked.
Is there a way to safeguard against this?
Cheers!!
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fassa
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23. October 2003 @ 00:35 |
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Wow, I must say if that is the truth about BT and suprnova well then I'll be not using that anymore. I think I read somewhere files can be tracked in the way that they are ripped from the CD. If it is done incorrectly than one can be tracked. Also bittorrent is not as secure as emule for instance because there is no filtering of IP's or blocking of displaying your shared files etc. So it is quite possible that your ISP could track your movements. X-Nemesis I think you should probably wait and see whether other people has had this because if their is any inkling of BT leaking private info to ISP...well we will have stop BT! ;~)
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ZeusJuice
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23. October 2003 @ 01:12 |
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Nothing new here.
What it sounds like to me is that the Internet Anti-Piracy Team (whomever they happen to be, never heard of 'em, truthfully) took a machine with a bittorent client, set it to download 2Fast2Furious, and wrote down your IP address as one of the people it could download a chunk from. Well, it was most probably just a spoofed client designed to log the IP addresses provided by the server/tracker, but thats the basic idea. This has always been an obvious and inevitable problem. All public p2p schemes are vulnerable in the manner described because anybody, including industry watchdogs such as the IAPT, can join in. The fact its open-source doesnt help either, but its eventually inconsequential, since even if it was closed-source, logging all IP's being used by the p2p program is trivialy simple.
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fassa
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23. October 2003 @ 01:29 |
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X-Nemesis, i think in this instance I would strongly recommend that you use something like Peerguirdian or/and a firewall to protect yourself at least in some way! Yeah and also BT is still very undeveloped and therefore could be very susceptible to watchdogs logging your IP adress.
***>>--Stray--<<***
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ZeusJuice
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23. October 2003 @ 01:52 |
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A firewall is useless, since they are using legitimate Bittorrent traffic. I havent read much about peerguardian, however I am under the impression that it blocks the IP's of known watchdogs, and so prevents them from connecting to you. This is extremely useful, but only under certain conditions:
1) All IP addresses of all industry watchdogs must be known beforehand.
2) The watchdogs need to download at least part of the file off you in order to prove that you're sharing it.
Condition 1 is kinda out there, a difficult one to fullfill for sure, especially since they can just change them at the drop of a hat if they use a dynamic-IP service, like most private DSL lines. But even ignoring this tall order, even if we theorize it possible, there's still condition 2. Even if you have a copy of peerguardian that perfectly blocks every watchdog attempt to connect to you, the bittorrent trackers are still giving them your IP address as a current sharer that they can dl from. (Azureus, a Java-based bittorrent client that I use, can also tell me how much of a file and what specific sections of it an individual dling the same file as I is shareing. However, Im not sure if that info is provided by the tracker/server or by the client, probably the latter and so peerguardian would prevent them from knowing that, but I am not completely sure)
One possible option would be to implement a peerguardian-type app in the trackers/servers also, thus preventing watchdogs from getting any list of IP's, but like I said, that would involve knowing all possible IP's that the watchdogs can use (plus you dont want to block "legitimate" regular sharers from the network as well. It gets exponentially impossible.)
I mean, one tactic the watchdogs could take is buying a regular private dsl line on each of the major dsl providers in specific areas, snoop the p2p networks with those, and when/if identified, log-off and log back on, and boom, brand-new IP address (plus any poor regular person who inherits their old IP address on his dsl cant join the p2p network until he renews his IP similarly). Then repeat till all (or most) addresses are blocked, and that goes the p2p network.
What's a Sonique? Is it Tasty? -Kaolla Suu, Love Hina
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Powa
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24. October 2003 @ 04:40 |
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I mean, one tactic the watchdogs could take is buying a regular private dsl line on each of the major dsl providers in specific areas, snoop the p2p networks with those, and when/if identified, log-off and log back on, and boom, brand-new IP address (plus any poor regular person who inherits their old IP address on his dsl cant join the p2p network until he renews his IP similarly). Then repeat till all (or most) addresses are blocked, and that goes the p2p network.
Yes very interesting, but I dont think it works quite like that. Users have to vote if the range is good or bad. If lots of people vote that the range is good, then that IP doesn't get added to the PeerGuardian list etc. Definitely not foolproof though.
X-Nemesis, can you check ure firewall logs (if you have them) and check up that exact time (13 Oct 2003 03:11:54 GMT) and date. See who's machine/IP you were connected too, then report that IP to peerguardian and us so we can block the tossers ;) You'll be doing the p2p community a favour.
What else did the email say? Are they going to prosecute? Or they just want u to delete the files?
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X-Nemesis
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24. October 2003 @ 07:10 |
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No they're not going to prosecute...just requested that I delete the files. Unfortunately I'm not behind a firewall so is there any other way to get that information for peerguardian of who I was conneted to at that time?
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 24. October 2003 @ 07:11
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ZeusJuice
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25. October 2003 @ 01:41 |
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All I'm saying is that Bittorent is not, and was never intended to be, a secure method of distributing risque' files. It is an efficient and highly scalable way of distributing large files while still giving the distributor the ability to shutdown distribution (through that specific channel anyway) whenever they saw fit (useful for anime fansubbers when a title gets licensed in the US).
If you want security and higher anonymity, then its best to use something like DirectConnect, or IRC, where the information of who's dling what files is kept private between the client and the server instead of beign broadcast to everybody who wants to dl the same file or even asks for it. Sure the download rates suck, but its the best way to lower your chances of getting trageted by the entertainment industry's goons.
Myself personally, I've just stopped dling music and movies in general. Most of the stuff nowdays is crappy anyway, so why bother? Then again, my decision may also have to do with the fact that college has been sucking even more than usual latelly :-D
What's a Sonique? Is it Tasty? -Kaolla Suu, Love Hina
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 25. October 2003 @ 01:44
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27. October 2003 @ 07:02 |
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IRC download rates suck??? you must not be in the right channels. i average 300-400KBps (depending on the bot). yeah there are channel where all the bots are slow, but after you've been around for a while, you learn where to go and where not to bother with.
http://www.Lonero.net - friend of the forums, great guitar player
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ZeusJuice
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27. October 2003 @ 19:08 |
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Sorry, I didnt mean for it to sound like I was dissing IRC or DirectConnect. I meant in *general*, with comparison to Bittorrent, since Bittorrent allows you to dl from more than one source per file thereby maximizing your bandwidth even if no one person has a good connection to you. Of course, in a specific situation where you find someone with a great connection to you, IRC or DC arent slow at all, maybe even faster since I assume there is less overhead. But speaking as a student at a rather hooked-up college, its a bit difficult to find a single person who has the file that I want AND a connection fast enough and close enough to my school lan to maximize my bandwidth. The highest connection rate I have ever gotten from one specific user was ~350KBS, while the highest connection rate I have ever gotten in Bittorrent was ~650KBS. But anywho, speed is secondary, the main issue of concern is being spoted by the MPAA and RIAA, which is why DC and IRC will always have a place in my hardrive ;-)
What's a Sonique? Is it Tasty? -Kaolla Suu, Love Hina
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27. October 2003 @ 19:59 |
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Yeah i'm right there with ya, I've been on IRC for almost 10 years now and aside from the lamers here and there I've never had a problem. I still have yet to try DC, but since I'm happy where I am, I may never have a reason to. I hear alot of good stuff about the "other" things out there but since I was on IRC before all the p2p's and stuff came along, I just never had a reason to go anywhere else.
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Praetor
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27. October 2003 @ 21:36 |
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just never had a reason to go anywhere else.
I hear ya dude! I played around with IRC a couple years ago... duno why i ever left hehe.
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bmstile
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5. November 2003 @ 14:13 |
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I just got a letter from my ISP today, i dont have the letter on hand so Ill just tell you that i downloaded Norton Personal Firewall off of Suprnova.org on October 10th and i got busted. hope they decide not to prosecute me.
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5. November 2003 @ 15:27 |
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hmmm Darthnip how many weeks ago did i warn about universal studios on bit torrent in the topic of the IRC channel? lol pretty long ago
The way to protect urself is dont use it basically! unless ur gonna completely kill your upload speed which will in turn kill your download too (dunno if someone already mentioned that, i am just giving my little word on it) :-)
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6. November 2003 @ 15:37 |
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I hear ya Dela, you also gave everyone the heads up like 2 days before the blaster worm hit. Then i think someone else posted something about it the day it happened. but yeahi remember you talking about it like 1-2 days before. you Irish loonie!! :)
http://www.Lonero.net - friend of the forums, great guitar player
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HungLow
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11. November 2003 @ 13:15 |
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No one is safe... P2P is not safe... All they have to do is use a modded version and just download off of you and jot down your IP... It's that simple... Feeling vulnerable yet?
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Praetor
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13. November 2003 @ 17:10 |
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Ill just tell you that i downloaded Norton Personal Firewall off of Suprnova.org on October 10th and i got busted
Hehe it doesnt help to post it here dude :P
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RandomOne
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18. November 2003 @ 19:56 |
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Hmm i find this interesting because I really think they only are monitoring like 2 files at a time.... Anyone else seem to notice that people tend to get in trouble with 2 fast 2 furious and the Italian Job? I got nailed tryin to get 2 fast 2 furious.. what pissed me off is I fiinished downloading it and it was something like legally blonde/retarded...But ya and one of my friends got warned for Italian Job also... Maybe its just a far reaching coincidence...
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Porscher
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4. December 2003 @ 11:44 |
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Yes Suprnova is being tagged and a way to defend yourself a little is by getting a copy of PeerGuardian this stops movie companys ans so on getting into your system...........
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cheib
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5. December 2003 @ 04:05 |
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Peer Guardian is a nice program but it's not 100% safe since it only blocks known IP addresses, and new IP's are popping up all the time, but if you are going to use BitTorrent it is good for a little extra security. Myself I jumped off of the BitTorrent band wagon and moved onto mIRC.
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