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Dual Layer / Shrink and Imageburn problem
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22. October 2007 @ 11:00 |
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Wasn?t sure where to post this.
OK This one has me stumped.
I am currently using DVD Shrink and Image Burn.
Everything goes OK but when I go to playback the burn, an error comes up on my DVD player, I can hear it SPINNING UP then SPINNING DOWN.
This happens every time I burn a Dual Layer, It never was an issue before, I have burnt about 40 Dual Layers with only one or two coasters.
Here is where it gets weird, If I unplug the DVD player (Maganavox) and plug it back in, then put the disc in it will read it.
I have tried uninstalling the IDE controllers in the device manager and rebooting my computer also.
The player is less than a year old.
I am using Verbatims from RIMA
Could it be a Region Specific problem?
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laddyboy
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22. October 2007 @ 11:13 |
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I doubt it has to do with region since it will eventually playback and Shrink should have made the backup region-free.
I've seen something similar to this, but usually just opening the disk tray and then reclosing the tray is usually enough. What's happening is the player isn't able to read/locate the IFO file on the disk for whatever reason. It does seem to happen more with DL media than SL for me as well. I think it's just the particular player. I can usually use a different player and it reads the disk just fine. Have you tried using a different player just to see if it's the player or the quality of the burn?
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22. October 2007 @ 11:16 |
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No I havent tried another player yet, but whats stumping me is the 40 or so good Dual Layer burns I have already, this problem started about 2 weeks ago and I some will play if I Hard boot the player and some will not.
I was hoping for a bad batch of discs, as I am almost thru the pack.
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laddyboy
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22. October 2007 @ 11:46 |
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I'd suggest seeing if another player will read them. If so, it would seem to be that your player just doesn't get along well with them. Otherwise, there's a burning issue that needs addressing.
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PacMan777
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23. October 2007 @ 06:22 |
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Sometimes resetting the booktype to DVD ROM for the burner helps compatibility problems. The drive has to support changing the booktype though and it only works with +R and +R DL. Most newer players, that shouldn't be an issue, but it doesn't hurt. I burn all my DVD videos booktyped to DVD ROM. If the backups play okay on your computer, then the problem is likely compatibility with the player. Is the player still doing okay with factory DVDs and the previously recorded DLs?
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23. October 2007 @ 10:08 |
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Yes the Factory Dvd's, - single layer - and the first 40 or so DVD-DL all play fine, no problem.
And yes the DL-Burns play fine on the computer.
As far as a compatability issue, this is a new problem with the DVD Player, I have had a great success rate in the past few months.
This may shed some light, my computer did crash about when I was having the problems, but I think its working fine.
How do I change the bookmark
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laddyboy
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23. October 2007 @ 10:48 |
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Most burners are setup by default to booktype +R DL media as DVD-ROM when burned. Fire up ImgBurn or DVD Decrypter and put one of your burned DL disks into the drive. The type of disk, +R DL, and the booktype , +R DL or DVD-ROM, will be disclosed in the righthand window. If the booktype for the burned DL disk is DVD-ROM the booktyping is already occurring. If the booktype is +R DL you will need to set the booktype bit with ImgBurn, DVD Decrypter, or another utility, depending on the burner you have.
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PacMan777
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23. October 2007 @ 18:33 |
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Laddyboy
Maybe the drives you run across, but many burners have to be changed manually to booktype to DVD ROM.
EFFEDUP
Here's a pic that shows the path on the toolbar. Use ImgBurn to check the function. If your drive is supported, you should be able to fill in the boxes and change the setting if needed. As I mentioned, it may or may not help, but it doesn't hurt.
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laddyboy
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23. October 2007 @ 19:48 |
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+R usually needs to be set, +R DL is usually already set. I thought we were dealing with +R DL.
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PacMan777
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23. October 2007 @ 20:21 |
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From what I've seen +R DL is usually set the same time +R is set (if the drive supports DL), and vice versa. At least that's the way it worked with my Plex. I only remember setting the booktype once for both when I did it. I didn't use ImgBurn. The ImgBurn gives 2 selections, one for +R and one for +R DL. So, the best bet is to check both settings and make sure they're set to DVD ROM. There is probably no absolute for all burners. Not that big a deal.
Note Nero only has the one selection for changing to DVD ROM.
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24. October 2007 @ 12:20 |
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Most burners are setup by default to booktype +R DL media as DVD-ROM when burned. Fire up ImgBurn or DVD Decrypter and put one of your burned DL disks into the drive. The type of disk, +R DL, and the booktype , +R DL or DVD-ROM, will be disclosed in the righthand window. If the booktype for the burned DL disk is DVD-ROM the booktyping is already occurring. If the booktype is +R DL you will need to set the booktype bit with ImgBurn, DVD Decrypter, or another utility, depending on the burner you have.
Laddyboy
I will check my home computer tonight, right now I am on my work computer, messing with the booktype. I opened ImgBurn/Device Tab and it says UNDER current profile DVD+RW is this where I need to look?
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Here's a pic that shows the path on the toolbar. Use ImgBurn to check the function. If your drive is supported, you should be able to fill in the boxes and change the setting if needed. As I mentioned, it may or may not help, but it doesn't hurt.
Pacman I opened ImgBurn
ImgBurn / Tools/Drive/Change Booktype, it shows 9 tabs
[Nutech] - [Plextor] - [Ricoh] - [Samsung] - [Ben Q] - [LG]- [LITE-ON] - [NEC] - [Welcome]
Then under each one of the tabs it shows
Current Media (for DVD+RW Media)
Drive (for DVD+R Media)
Drive (for DVD+RW Media)
Drive (for DVD+R DL Media)
Drive (for DVD+R Media - Temporary)
Drive (for DVD+RW Media - Temporary)
Drive (for DVD+R DL Media - Temporary)
I don't see anything that says DVD-ROM
But like I said I am messing with my computer at work and will try my home computer tonight, I just wanted to see if I was doing this right.
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laddyboy
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24. October 2007 @ 12:53 |
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When you open up ImgBurn, on the right side of the ImgBurn window is a pane that is headed by the descriptor for your DVD drive. Scrolling down the pane, you should encounter something like this:
Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: MKM-001-00
Book Type: DVD-ROM
If bookype is DVD-ROM, then you're already set, if it's +R DL, follow Pacman's ImgBurn description and set the booktype.
You would have to select "Drive (for DVD+R DL Media)" to permanently change the booktyping for the +R DL media. After selecting, it will tell you whether the type is set to +R DL or to DVD-ROM. If it lists +R DL as the booktype, then you change it to DVD-ROM. If it already lists DVD-ROM as the booktype, it is already set.
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24. October 2007 @ 13:51 |
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Ladderboy
The Right pane has 5 tabs
[Information] - [Device] - [Option] - [Labels] - [Advanced]
It is under the [Device] tab, correct?
TSSTcorp DVD+-RW TS-H553A DE04 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD+RW
Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: Yes
Formatted: Yes
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 2,295,104
Size: 4,700,372,992 bytes
Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x
TOC Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 2295103)
-> LeadOut (LBA: 2295104)
Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: MKM-A02-00
Book Type: DVD+RW (THIS IS WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR, CORRECT?)
Part Version: 2
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0
Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: MKM-A02-00
Book Type: DVD-ROM
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0
Current Format Capacity:
Sectors: 2,295,104
Size: 4,700,372,992 bytes
Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
Preferred Format Capacity:
Sectors: 2,295,104
Size: 4,700,372,992 bytes
Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
Maximum Format Capacity:
Sectors: 2,295,104
Size: 4,700,372,992 bytes
Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
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PacMan777
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24. October 2007 @ 16:38 |
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That's what you're looking for and it's not DVD-ROM or DVD +R or -R. That is the physical booktype of the DVD you're scanning. Put in a factory DVD and that should read DVD-ROM. It appears you used an RW and most standalone DVD players don't support that format. Only the newer multi-format standalone players will support the RW format. If your player doesn't say it plays that format, that is most likely your problem.
In the ImgBurn, you didn't go far enough to see what I intended. Had you gone through the process of resetting your booktype, you would have seen your current setting and your options (if your drive was listed and supports booktyping). Here's what it looks like with my Plex.
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24. October 2007 @ 16:48 |
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Ok Im at my Home Computer now, below is what was burned and dont work.
TSSTcorp DVD+-RW TS-H553A DE04 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R DL
Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 3,210,752
Size: 6,575,620,096 bytes
Time: 713:32:02 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x
DVD±R DL Boundary Information:
L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,605,376
Changeable: No
TOC Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 3210751)
-> LeadOut (LBA: 3210752)
Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: MKM-001-00
Book Type: DVD+R DL
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519
Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: MKM-001-00
Book Type: DVD-ROM
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 1,801,983
Layer Information:
Layer 0 Sectors: 1,605,376 (50%)
Layer 1 Sectors: 1,605,376 (50%)
Does it look like each layer was bookmarked differntly??
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PacMan777
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24. October 2007 @ 17:02 |
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Okay, the booktype is DVD+R DL
Follow the steps in the pics I supplied and try DVD-ROM. Where I have change for DVD+R you'll need to select Change For: Drive (For DVD+R DL media).
In answer to your question. It appears it happened. I'm not sure if that's it or it's showing the physical booktype and then what it booktyped to. My DLs are lost right now in a stack of DVDs. I know, I should sort things better. LOL But without checking, I'm not sure on that one.
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PacMan777
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24. October 2007 @ 17:28 |
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I should have looked at the log more closely. It's saying the physical disc is a DVD+R DL and it was recorded as a DVD-ROM. That means your drive is set to booktype +R DL to DVD-ROM. Obviously, that isn't the solution to your problem. How does your problem DL play on other DVD players?
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24. October 2007 @ 17:55 |
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Tried the bad Dual Layers in a cheap Mustek Portable player and they all played fine.
The problem player is a magnavox MSR 90D6 RW Player, I didnt think it could be that because its only a few months old and played all the Burns Flawlessly before, I can hear the discs spinning up and down about 4-5 times then the error comes up.
Guess its time to buy my 3rd player in a years time.
Any Ideas on a decent player?
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PacMan777
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24. October 2007 @ 18:06 |
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Philips is a good cheap one. That's what I bought the last time and it's not failed to play anything yet.
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24. October 2007 @ 18:59 |
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OK I found this one, does it look OK
But no where does it say DVD+R DL
The Philips DVP3960 gives you a whole new DVD-watching experience. The HDMI digital video and audio connections give you 720p / 1080i upconversion from your existing DVD discs.
Technical Information
Media Support
DVD+R/+RW - Play
DVD-R/-RW - Play
CD-R - Play
Formats Support
DVD Video
Video CD
JPEG
MP3
DivX
WMA
Video
Resolution
720p
1080i
Interfaces/Ports
Interfaces/Ports
HDMI
Search Speed: 16x, 32x, 2x, 4x, 8x
Supported Digital Audio Standards: WMA, PCM, MP3
Slow Motion Speed: 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 1/16
Media Load Type: Tray
Picture Modes: Pan and scan, widescreen, letterbox
CD Playback Modes: Repeat all, repeat folder, random play / shuffle, one track repeat
Supported Digital Video Standards: MPEG-1, MPEG-2, DivX (ver.4), DivX (ver.5), DivX (ver.3.11), DivX (ver.6)
DVD Repeat Modes: A-B repeat, all, title, chapter
Media Type: CD-R, CD-RW, SVCD, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW, DVD+R, Kodak Picture CD, DVD, CD, Video CD
Audio D/A Converter: 24bit / 192kHz
Upscaling: Yes
Output Resolution: 1080i
Video D/A Converter: 12bit / 108MHz
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PacMan777
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24. October 2007 @ 19:21 |
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Not sure, mine is a DVP642. It didn't list DL separately, but it played them. After I got it a friend told me there was a firmware update. I'd never done one on a standalone before. It was updating for newer media. I did it and never had a problem. I wasn't having problems before, but I thought I'd give it a shot anyway to make sure the thing was up to date.
The one you listed looks pretty good. I'd bet it will play DL, but ask the sales person or contact Philips to be sure.
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24. October 2007 @ 20:16 |
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PacMan777
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24. October 2007 @ 20:21 |
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Not sure, I did it on the Philips. I'd never heard of doing a firmware update to a standalone before. Try your manufacturer's website for support, if there is one.
As cheap as the philips players are and what they do, I'll buy another. Mine's lasted over a year, so it's already paid for itself. Look around, you might find something you like. At least you know where the problem lies.
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