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Nintendo wants the US to solve international video game piracy problems
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 14 February, 2008
It seems that Nintendo of America has asked the U.S. Trade Representative to "encourage" international governments to take a harsher stance against piracy of Nintendo video games and systems around the world.
Filing a "Special 301" process with the Trade Representative means the group will "solicit input from the public to underscore specific areas of concern."
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amf0802
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14. February 2008 @ 17:11 |
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when these people estimate how much they lost due to piracy, their is an assumption in their thinking that isn't necessarily true.
They assume that all the people that own pirated games would have bought the legit game if the pirated versions were unavailable. But this isn't true, someone may only buy a game because the pirated version is a fraction of the cost.
I've watched plenty of games and tried lots of software only because they were easily available on the net. I never would have actually payed for them.
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Sazaziel
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14. February 2008 @ 17:29 |
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Wow! As many Wii's and DS's that were sold out ever since their release. I cant believe it. Nintendo has actually resorted to lying just to make more money. What a shame.
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14. February 2008 @ 18:04 |
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Originally posted by amf0802:
when these people estimate how much they lost due to piracy, their is an assumption in their thinking that isn't necessarily true.
They assume that all the people that own pirated games would have bought the legit game if the pirated versions were unavailable. But this isn't true, someone may only buy a game because the pirated version is a fraction of the cost.
I've watched plenty of games and tried lots of software only because they were easily available on the net. I never would have actually payed for them.
I second this. I have such a huge library of games and software games on all systems, but only because they were easily available. I would not have spent my life savings on this stuff. For systems like the PS3, where all games must be bought, I rent and try and only buy what appeals to me. When I was buying DS and Wii games, I had a few here and there fr each. I would not have bought all of my backups if I didn't have a wiikey and an R4, maybe about an eighth of them.
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14. February 2008 @ 18:19 |
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Maybe if they released completed games on the dates that they promised, people wouldn't have to pirate Smash Brothers.
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14. February 2008 @ 18:20 |
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Nintendo should have taken more steps to avoid this piracy. I think it was within a week of the wii release that it was cracked wide open. Why the hell would I pay for a pirate copy when I could do it myself for free. The ps3 is only safe just now because the blu-ray discs are such a rip-off, there probably is pirates working on the ps3 right now. I've heard that the makers of any dvd have apparently cracked blu-ray so it's only a matter of time when I will be downloading ps3 games.
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14. February 2008 @ 18:54 |
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lol tell me im wrong but nintendo caused this on themselves in a way
the life line of the wii was to be released in december 2007 (super smash bros. brawl)
but nintendo delayed it
to make matters worse they released it officialy in japan first in january 2008 like idiots but the wierd part was that some people had the game from last year November in japan
even though nintendo is A JAPANESE company they indirectly encouraged people to pirate as a means to meet to the demands if thet couldn't get it in europe or the US its sad
they should have followed sony from th ps1 when sony had regional release dates like for example metal gear solid was released in japan first and 2 days later illegal japanese copies where made and scrambled in the US, this later led to mod chips and converters on game consoles so the could play burned japanese games or illegaly pirated games lol
if you think im lying imagine metal gear solid online coming out next week in the US but you found out it was coming out tomorrow in Japan and that you can download a free full pirated version that could play now. which one would you pick?
well i guess its nintendo's turn to be taught a lesson
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varnull
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14. February 2008 @ 19:05 |
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Serves them right.. I don't think the console would be anything like the seller it is without the download capabilities for the games. They can't have it both ways, as the ps3 is finding.. High cost games and no possibility of other region games means poor sales.. Back even with the cartridge consoles there was a market for adapters and imported games.. tendo have even encouraged this in Japan.. Do they think we are stupid? Do they think we don't know what they do in Japan with the DS, or are they just trying to get the US even more hated across the world (if that is actually possible.. I would happily drop a few nukes on certain organisations in the USA right now)
F--- em.. download everything until they drop the prices to something fair.
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14. February 2008 @ 20:40 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
Serves them right.. I don't think the console would be anything like the seller it is without the download capabilities for the games. They can't have it both ways, as the ps3 is finding.. High cost games and no possibility of other region games means poor sales.. Back even with the cartridge consoles there was a market for adapters and imported games.. tendo have even encouraged this in Japan.. Do they think we are stupid? Do they think we don't know what they do in Japan with the DS, or are they just trying to get the US even more hated across the world (if that is actually possible.. I would happily drop a few nukes on certain organisations in the USA right now)
F--- em.. download everything until they drop the prices to something fair.
Amen.
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14. February 2008 @ 20:57 |
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i like how they complain about hacked game console and how sales go down cause of them... someone had to buy the original console to begin with... are they forgetting about that?
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14. February 2008 @ 22:04 |
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Nintendo should worry about making a game that doesnt have Mario in it. People might actually pay some money for a game based on an original idea (that doesnt have Mario in it).
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14. February 2008 @ 22:10 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
Serves them right.. I don't think the console would be anything like the seller it is without the download capabilities for the games. They can't have it both ways, as the ps3 is finding.. High cost games and no possibility of other region games means poor sales.. Back even with the cartridge consoles there was a market for adapters and imported games.. tendo have even encouraged this in Japan.. Do they think we are stupid? Do they think we don't know what they do in Japan with the DS, or are they just trying to get the US even more hated across the world (if that is actually possible.. I would happily drop a few nukes on certain organisations in the USA right now)
F--- em.. download everything until they drop the prices to something fair.
Amen.
YOU GOT That right
This is a stupid Joke nintendo is pulling
Attention Starved Corporate America
Shummyr
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14. February 2008 @ 23:15 |
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PHUCK EM!
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15. February 2008 @ 04:01 |
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I'm actually with Nintendo on this one. Pirated games hurt the industry and lets money flow to shady organizations instead of the people who actually put their effort and work into the games.
If everyone would just buy pirated games, then we would effectively be killing the gaming industry. The companies don't make their profits with console sales (in fact, most companies lose money on that) but on game sales. I love my games and wouldn't want them to disappear because of some idiots who are making illegal copies in their garage. People who really love their games buy them legit.
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varnull
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15. February 2008 @ 04:20 |
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I'm actually with Nintendo on this one. Pirated games hurt the industry and lets money flow to shady organizations instead of the people who actually put their effort and work into the games.
If everyone would just buy pirated games, then we would effectively be killing the gaming industry. The companies don't make their profits with console sales (in fact, most companies lose money on that) but on game sales. I love my games and wouldn't want them to disappear because of some idiots who are making illegal copies in their garage. People who really love their games buy them legit.
And along comes somebody who believes that dwnloading something completely for free somehow supports terrorism.. OOO.. I bet Brown and Bush and the mpaa/riaa just love people like you.. Me and Zippy have a name for your kind.. Sheeple
Do you get your pirated games from bin-laden.plc or off some site which has a few "click em if you want to" adverts?? Who "buys" pirated games?? skill-less and talentless and know nothing n00bs, that's who.
Me.. I come from the real world where your business models and love to make mega millionaires out of the few by your desire to be ripped off are out dated, outmoded and dead in the water.
A message from the future.. either develop a way to sell fairly or we will take and share. We the people have become the power.. now go and cry in your corner about how your mega rich heroes that you love to do without to support are missing out on a few more $$$'s....
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And along comes somebody who believes that dwnloading something completely for free somehow supports terrorism.. OOO.. I bet Brown and Bush and the mpaa/riaa just love people like you.. Me and Zippy have a name for your kind.. Sheeple
Where did I use the word terrorist? With "shady organizations" I mean people who install batteries of DVD-R or Rom copiers in their garage or basement and hire some people to help them copy & distribute these illegal copies. I never mentioned terrorism as a factor here nor did I imply any relation between pirates and terrorist organizations. It's OK for you to make a point but now you're just putting words in my mouth.
Anyway, when I like a game and think it's really good, I find it only natural to pay the price. Considering the investments necessary for the development of certain games, I find the price pretty reasonable. Remember, if Everyone would buy only pirated versions, then all those companies would basically stop producing games.
"either develop a way to sell fairly or we will take and share.", you say. But please, explain to me what that means? What price would be a 'fair price' for games?
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varnull
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15. February 2008 @ 06:46 |
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How about.. one that doesn't disadvantage those who are constantly bombarded by the media and told what they "must have" while attempting to eat and stay warm..
These games can be sold at a profit at vastly lower prices than they are sold in the west.. How about a fair global price based on the least expensive country?
The implication with the use of the term "shady people" is organised crime and terrorism.. the words always bandied about by the mpaa/riaa/console makers every time downloading is mentioned.. If I seem to be putting words in your mouth then maybe you should look at the implications that have been put on words by the propagandists.
I have yet to see them PROVE downloading actually damages profits. What I do see is a wider customer base for the hardware.. people who can afford a console at $150, but cannot afford a recurring $50 for every game they are told is a "must have". Downloading if it has any effect democratizes the issue somewhat.. because I can if I chose download something for myself it takes away one sale from the "shady people".. because they will always be there, profiteering off the gullible and poor.
This also applies in the field of music.. The record companies are currently trying to shaft the artists out of yet more of their already paltry share of their royalties and earnings.. People prove time and time again that they are happy to support the musicians and songwriters by going to concerts and buying merchandise.. what they have become thoroughly fed up with is paying middle men and executive fat cats an ever greater share of the generated income..
It is very notable that musicians literally from the gutter have been rather silent on the whole issue.. all except those who have also sold their souls to "the man".. Arctic Monkeys anybody?
Films are harder to quantify.. If piracy is so damaging why is just about every film released breaking all box office records? It certainly isn't from the pirates all buying tickets to take their cameras into the cinema.. so where is it all coming from? I smell shenannagins and lies from the MPAA and studios.. Why is it fair for some idiot like Tom Cruise to be paid in the tens of millions for a couple of weeks work, and for the studios to then expect to make for ever and ever because of the way they have cynically lobbied and pushed for the length of copyright to be extended and extended just so they can continue to exploit and profiteer from things that were made before our grandparents were born?? I don't claim the right to live off what my parents did, or grandparents for that matter.. why should studio execs and shareholders expect to profiteer off the work of the long dead and not get a rumble of dissent??
Why do poor people steal from shops? Because the current system is inherently unfair to a large proportion of the population. It can either be leveled democratically or violently.. The way things are heading it will be the latter. The greedy always eventually fall, to be replaced by other greedy.. different colours, same problem. It's nice to see I pricked yet another nerve.
So which side of this fence do you really sit on?? after all you are a member of a site which actively encourages breaking the DMCA and copying games and films either by downloading them or buying or borrowing or renting to copy or whatever.. Afterdawn it a pirates goldmine.. it tells them exactly how to duplicate this content regardless of laws specifically put in place to stop said behaviour..
As it is ILLEGAL to break the encryption on a movie to make a copy, and it is also ILLEGAL to circumvent the copy protections on games to copy them is it any more illegal to download the content which has had these protections stripped from it?
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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others
George Orwell - Animal Farm
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15. February 2008 @ 08:01 |
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Originally posted by amf0802:
when these people estimate how much they lost due to piracy, their is an assumption in their thinking that isn't necessarily true.
They assume that all the people that own pirated games would have bought the legit game if the pirated versions were unavailable. But this isn't true, someone may only buy a game because the pirated version is a fraction of the cost.
I've watched plenty of games and tried lots of software only because they were easily available on the net. I never would have actually payed for them.
true here in peru ppl buy alot of games but not beacause they really really like them, is just beacuse they are cheap except on the ps3 in wich piracy still hasn't got in yet, friends that own a ps3 are very carefull on what games to buy most of htme have only 2 oe 3 the top is 5 i think
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15. February 2008 @ 08:47 |
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I wonder how they come up with these numbers. I never would have bought my DS if it weren't for the R4. Hence, i have not bought one game yet for it, and don't intend to if i can help it! There are wayyy too many crap games out there. The point is my intent was never to buy a DS in the first place without the sweet R4/M3 so at least they got my money for the DS.
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15. February 2008 @ 09:36 |
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"The unprecedented momentum enjoyed by Nintendo DS and Wii makes Nintendo an attractive target for counterfeiters," said Jodi Daugherty, Nintendo of America's senior director of anti-piracy. "We estimate that in 2007, Nintendo, together with its publishers and developers, suffered nearly $975 million USD worldwide in lost sales as a result of piracy. Nintendo will continue to work with governments around the world to aggressively curtail this illegal activity."
I wanna know how they go those figures too... Oh wait I know they pulled that estimate right out of there @ss! I was considering getting a wii, but not after this fabrication nintendo has come up with.
AS far as know you cant pirate a nintendo wii console. More nintendo wii's and DS's sold = more money for nintendo.
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15. February 2008 @ 11:04 |
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Actually, I think Nintendo is referring to China's piracy of the NES... YES THE NES, not the Wii or Ds, NES!!!
I saw a few years back that the patent had expired on the NES and there are all kinds of 3rd party systems that play the cartridges now. It was even in an issue of EGM (I think) that they said there was a pirate copy of the new Harry Potter film out in Asia, Korea, etc. Yes, HARRY POTTER ON NES! They are even coding pirate games now! Supposedly, NES is still a top seller over there.
Also, consider all of the downloading with ROMS and emulators, and even the "controller" systems that hook up directly to the TV and play games like Super Mario Bros. (I've even seen them on sale at the good old suburban malls, not just street corners and flea markets.)
Nintendo is saying that the Wii and DS are attractive targets, but in fact, their wares have been pirated for years before these consoles were even thought of. They are just trying to protect their IP now before it gets out of hand. (Original Xbox anyone?)
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15. February 2008 @ 13:07 |
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For the amount of people that actually know how to backup or download games on wii's or ds is very slim....if they really look at it there not losing alot of money....they are losing alot of money but its not because of piracy its the fact that no one likes nintendo systems..
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15. February 2008 @ 13:43 |
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Stealing a game here and there is acceptable to most (consumers) but those who rampantly leach off society by pirating EVERYTHING and BUYING NOTHING.............well...........they're just mindless, simpleton, waste-of-life, LOSERS who have no respect, integrity and maturity what-so-ever. Another thing, If you're reading this and you honestly fit the description above then .................you're as valuable to this earth as a corpse unburied and you'd be better to us dead.
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ikari
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15. February 2008 @ 17:31 |
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@varnull
Before I say this, I want to make this clear, I am not insulting you or your opinion. In fact, I respect your opinion and offer another point of view and a few questions.
I am curious why you think downloading games, music, and films is not stealing? Is it because it is a digital copy and there is no phyical representation of what someone might have stolen?
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Sazaziel
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15. February 2008 @ 19:37 |
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Originally posted by ikari:
@varnull
Before I say this, I want to make this clear, I am not insulting you or your opinion. In fact, I respect your opinion and offer another point of view and a few questions.
I am curious why you think downloading games, music, and films is not stealing? Is it because it is a digital copy and there is no phyical representation of what someone might have stolen?
In defense of varnull and subjecting my own opinion.... it is not stealing because it was never stolen in the first place. This is where you fail to realize that it is actually sharing because someone already paid for it and provided the content ready and available to a free market or free world. Companies who thrive off of consumer dollars have a problem with this and feel that they are being cheated because it is sharing in mass numbers. For example lets take game rentals or movie rentals etc. Companies like Blockbuster and Hollywood have already paid for the product. They just don't offer the free service of using or owning the product. So they in turn thrive of of the consumer dollar just like other companies while depending on consumer purchases in mass numbers.
It's no different than if I distributed free software for everyone to use. Since it is taught to societies that the value of money is what makes the world go round....a lot of people have a twisted view of what the world should be in revolving around currency when in fact it should be as free as Linux. These companies aren't making money since someone bought the product and then afterward provides it freely, so they trick you with all sorts of EULA's . I dislike pirates who uses one free work for profit but, one who has paved the way by purchasing the product and decides to share freely has all of the respect in the world from a person like me and I would do the same for anyone on the site who believes in this way. True freedom lies within it and I'm tired of society being forced or tricked into giving their freedom away just so companies who don't give a damn about people like us can make a quick buck.
So I hope I made it as understandable as possible.
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Sazaziel
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15. February 2008 @ 19:59 |
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Originally posted by hm577:
Stealing a game here and there is acceptable to most (consumers) but those who rampantly leach off society by pirating EVERYTHING and BUYING NOTHING.............well...........they're just mindless, simpleton, waste-of-life, LOSERS who have no respect, integrity and maturity what-so-ever. Another thing, If you're reading this and you honestly fit the description above then .................you're as valuable to this earth as a corpse unburied and you'd be better to us dead.
I'm trying to figure out what this member was thinking but, I cant. I consider a means of stealing a game by a consumer meaning to go into a vendor and actually steal the physical product without being caught. Now things like this tarnish society because it causes high dollar inflation for paying consumers like us.
Now for the game to be purchased and then the content be shared really doesn't mandate stealing. It doesn't even fall under the terms of receiving stolen property because it was never stolen in the first place. Physical evidence can be stolen... but if the content provider still owns the original....well I would say the only one who can report it as stolen would be the actual consumer who purchased the product. It's a digital world appears to be a more free world and companies who fail to convert to it try to play catch up by punishing us with by means of imprisonment and intimidation.
We had finally found something to call ours and now corporations are involving world governments to enforce corporate laws in cyberspace. But tell me....where is cyberspace? Cyberspace has no physical form so it is not possible for it to be governed but, companies like nintendo think otherwise.
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