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Sony not expecting $200 Blu-ray players before next year
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article published on 6 March, 2008
Despite speculation by some that we may see a $200 Blu-ray player before year's end, no such product appears to be in sight. In fact, the Chinese companies responsible for the boom in low priced DVD players a few short years ago don't even seem to have a chance to be licensed by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA).
Sony Electronics CEO Stan Glasgow told Gizmodo "I don't think $200 is going ... [ read the full article ]
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nobrainer
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6. March 2008 @ 03:26 |
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Well they don't have to bother being competitive now, as HD-DvD is dead as its only other manufacturers that sony have to price fix with to keep the machines artificially high and then convince studios to start to leave DVD in favour of the new & "better" format by releasing films on Drm-Ray only by stating "they need more storage space"!
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6. March 2008 @ 03:26 |
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And so it begins, the evil $ony corp. and its DBA associates are once again (at least for now) confirming they really don't want to take over DVD with their DRM-infection. They just want to make as much dough as possible.
Peace
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6. March 2008 @ 03:38 |
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Originally posted by Pop_Smith:
And so it begins, the evil $ony corp. and its DBA associates are once again (at least for now) confirming they really don't want to take over DVD with their DRM-infection. They just want to make as much dough as possible.
Peace
Sony would rather have Downloads straight to the Blu-Ray Hard drive via profile Drm-Ray 3.0> then they can have BD+ DRM control it and sony can sell you the licence and not the product and force all sorts of anti consumer crap on you just as they have started to do already with PSN releases of games.
You no longer own content you can use it, you are not allowed to sell it, give it away, lend it to a friend or even bundle it when you sell the unit the media is stored on! you are purchasing an empty bad!
for all the geeks and anyone interested in how our rights are being destroyed here is the EFF:
VIDEO: DefCon 15 - T411 - Ask the EFF Panel 1 hr 45 min - 11 Sep 2007
http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=6443...xz-ElTUx9iTrEoA
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6. March 2008 @ 06:33 |
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I hate to say 'I told you so' but..............
.......and I'd also hate to remind people that we'd end up being sorry about a Blu-ray 'win' too.
I think it's becoming clear that the BDA know they can never displace SD DVD in the mass-market, certainly not with Blu-ray as it stands.
It's too expensive and the benefits just are not worth it to the genuine mass-market.
That obviously then leaves the Blu-ray market as a high value high profit margin niche in which the studios and CE corps attempt to recoup some of the margins they have lost now that SD DVD is so cheap.
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6. March 2008 @ 07:07 |
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It may be true that Blu-ray will never reach the heights that regular DVD has... However, if it was the other way around and HD-DVD won the recent format war, there is no guarantee that they would have done so either.
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6. March 2008 @ 07:29 |
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Hey wait a minute. I thought people were saying that prices for players were going to GO UP after Bluray won.
Maybe they quoted Glasgow wrong. He must have meant $3000 instead of $300 by this year and $2000 instead of $200 by next year.
I think Gizmodo missed that extra zero.
We should see the players down to $1000 by 2010.
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6. March 2008 @ 08:03 |
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So they prove people wrong by reducing prices after they win.
Now people complain that prices are not dropping fast enough.
It's getting tiresome.
Oh BTW my two HD DVD players were never this cheap. I bought my HD-A1 shortly after release in 2006 for $500. My HD-XA2 cost me $700. Well I guess that's the price I pay for being an early adopter.
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6. March 2008 @ 08:12 |
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Yes, juankerr.... Isn't it funny how it is the same couple people always putting Blu-ray down any way they can.
You, I and many, many other people can enjoy our 1080p Blu-ray media in all its stunning audio and visual glory while the certain few prefer to just sit there and complain about how bad it will be in the future...
The thing I am starting to wonder is when is that DRM doomsday supposed to actually happen? The future certainly looks bright from where I sit... On my comfy lounge, with my 46" 1080p LCD, Blu-ray player and 6.2 channel 1500w RMS sound system... Hold on I think I just saw a DRM bug crawl out of one of my subs... Where's the Bug spray?
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6. March 2008 @ 08:51 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
The thing I am starting to wonder is when is that DRM doomsday supposed to actually happen?
Till some people can't afford to buy a PS3 or a Stand alone BD player or admit there loss (cause there ego)... till then that day will be "always coming" and sony will be the Antichrist's Company.
I made a little net-search cause a post that i saw here, and HD-DVD wasn't that copy free, HD-DVD used DRM, but i havent seen any from the HD-DVD fanboyz ever posting nothing about that.
Toshiba's/HD-DVD's DRM was different? or it was for a good cause?
Some people they like to be blind at will, but thats not the prob, they are stupid and i dont care (no one does really).
The prob is that they spread BS around and they take people down with them.
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6. March 2008 @ 08:59 |
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What we're seeing are the highly unrealistic expectations fostered by Toshiba's sudden, precipitous (and eventually futile) price drops.
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6. March 2008 @ 08:59 |
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Hmmmmm...... Ryu77, are you the gent with the Sharp Aquos 46" 1080p thingee?
If so, I came within a hair's breadth (one phone call away which didn't materialize) of buying your Sharp's littler 37" brother in the last 2 days. (back on topic...)
OK, so the news report here suggests that Sony is prioritizing it's efforts to establish a more robust video download presence. But it seems odd...
Video downloading, and purchasing factory-pressed blu-ray discs seem to be at odds with each other. They are very different things.
If Sony were interested enough (which I believe they are) in promoting their Blu-Ray Disc Format past "niche" status or even try to supplant current, worldwide standard DVD dominance, you'd think they would try to come up with a $200 player this year instead of next, rather than concentrate on video downloads.
If I were Sony, right now I'd be foaming-at-the-mouth to get Blu-Ray players (even from other manufacturers) into as many homes as possible, as fast as possible. God knows they'll make a mint off current blu-ray disc prices.
Right now, I don't think I can get a blu-ray player locally for under $600, (short of getting a PS3), which I have NO intention of paying.
So if a $200 player this year is dependant on Chinese-labour outsourcing...... so be it. (Isn't half their stuff made in China anyway?)
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6. March 2008 @ 09:33 |
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A_Klingon` i ant seen you around since...well a long time!!!
this fanboy says: LONG LIVE HD-DVD!! W00T w00t w00t
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6. March 2008 @ 09:37 |
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Originally posted by A_Klingon:
Hmmmmm...... Ryu77, are you the gent with the Sharp Aquos 46" 1080p thingee?
Yes... lol! Here's a link to my set-up... http://i.my.afterdawn.com/original/16117.JPG
A_Klingon, why don't you have a profile? I'd like to add you to my buddy list. You seem like a positive & outgoing type of person. :-D
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A_Klingon
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6. March 2008 @ 09:52 |
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Originally posted by tripplite:
A_Klingon` i ant seen you around since...well a long time!!!
Peek-A-Boo, tripplite!!! (That's my little goblin-buddy, The Blu-Ray Meanie From Pepperland). :)
this fanboy says: LONG LIVE HD-DVD!! W00T w00t w00t
Aw geeze, tripplite, 'yer a tad LATE on that one!
(Still, if I can find a cheap, discontinued HD-DVD player, I'm gonna get one, just for it's upconverting ability.)
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A_Klingon, why don't you have a profile? I'd like to add you to my buddy list. You seem like a positive & outgoing type of person. :-D
HOLEE - S........ (poop) ..... that's one PURDY set-up you have there, Ryu!
T'would be _quite_ a while before I could afford something *that* nice! (I live in a <small-ish> single-bedroom apartment - I'm just wondering where I'm gonna find the room to stash my new LCD monitor when I get one).
Isn't there a PS3 hiding in there somewhere??? <gg>
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6. March 2008 @ 10:06 |
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Originally posted by A_Klingon:
HOLEE - S........ (poop) ..... that's one PURDY set-up you have there, Ryu!
T'would be _quite_ a while before I could afford something *that* nice! (I live in a <small-ish> single-bedroom apartment - I'm just wondering where I'm gonna find the room to stash my new LCD monitor when I get one).
Isn't there a PS3 hiding in there somewhere??? <gg>
Couldn't you see it? It's at the bottom left... Below the PS2 and left of my AV receiver.
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6. March 2008 @ 10:14 |
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What this article states is that Sony is still trying to use the PS3 as the center of the living room. With one "universal" box, Sony can make MILLIONS of dollars off of PS games, Blu-Ray disc royalties and content downloads. They have the mentality that the PS3 is the second coming of the iPod, and that it will dominate entertainment on your television for years to come. However, their execution of such a plan has been incredibly sloppy, and their open arrogance over their technology has generated more heat from consumers rather than the adoration that is reserved for a company like Apple.
If you pause and think for a moment, Sony has no reason to let other companies join the BDA and produce players. They also have no reason to drop the price on Blu-Ray stand alone sets. Because the PS3 competes with DVD players, gaming consoles and networked media devices such as AppleTV, they need to force as many PS3 consoles into homes as possible. By keeping prices high, they not only increase profit margins, but it also creates a sense of value within the "moderately" priced PS3 console/BD player/network device.
Now that Sony no longer has to worry about competition from HD-DVD, they can breathe a sigh of relief that they will make royalties off of ANY game, movie or recordable media with a Blu-Ray stamp on it. They can pull the reigns back on the Blu-Ray campaign, and with the higher cost of owning HD content on BD, they will now try to take on the Xbox Live Marketplace and iTunes for control of downloadable content.
With Steve Jobs campaigning against DRM, Sony will try to smooth over companies by offering more control. That control also comes with the eerie feeling that Blu-Ray "phoning home" will give the content companies more statistics on their demographic, something that ALL of these companies would salivate over, while keeping DRM alive, and forcing the consumer to pay for the same content multiple times.
These are many of the reasons I feel that many of us have viewed Sony and it's brands as anti-consumer. Sony is using the wrong positions to leverage their business, and this announcement over downloadable content is just another example of that.
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6. March 2008 @ 10:17 |
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That's a good setup Ryu. I hope you don't mind some advice though.
I see you have your center channel on the same rack as your players and amp. You're getting a good amount of vibration from the speaker getting to your audio equipment there.
If you haven't already done so I would advise using isolation feet for either your center speaker or your equipment or even both. I've used the vibrapods and they're very good:
http://www.vibrapod.com/
There are other makers out there so just google audio isolation feet. Heck I've seen some guys cut a tennis ball in half and use those.
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Originally posted by A_Klingon:
HOLEE - S........ (poop) ..... that's one PURDY set-up you have there, Ryu!
T'would be _quite_ a while before I could afford something *that* nice! (I live in a <small-ish> single-bedroom apartment - I'm just wondering where I'm gonna find the room to stash my new LCD monitor when I get one).
Isn't there a PS3 hiding in there somewhere??? <gg>
Couldn't you see it? It's at the bottom left... Below the PS2 and left of my AV receiver.
WOW... nice setup. Looks like Sony's plan for World Domination begins at your place! ;-)
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[Isn't there a PS3 hiding in there somewhere??? <gg>]
Couldn't you see it?
(Well.....), I've never been a games fan; truth is; I wouldn't know a PS3 if it came up and bit me!
I think some time later today, I might look around for some PS3 info. I hate the idea of paying extra for gaming ability which I'll never use & all the associated circuitry that goes along with that, but with today's current Bl-Ray player prices..........
(Or maybe I'll just wait). Haven't decided yet! :-)
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People don't seem suprised by the fact that they won't be able to purchase a BD player for the same price as thier dead-format playing DVD upconverters that previously supported a format with its OWN DRM.
Maybe Toshiba has learned that you shouldn't join a studio-bribing contest if you can't outbribe your competitor. Its a sad fact that both formats weren't only considered for their tech specs, but had to financially persuede studios. Both sides need to remember that EACH SIDE DID THIS.
SO in stead of regurgetating the same whiney and pointless "DRM.. whahhh DRM.. WAHHHHHH" BS, why doesn't this community focus on beating this oppressive encryption and learning how to use the data we pay for in our own way. If anyone can beat this its the community here.
.... and when was the last time you rented an HD download from Xbox live and had access to do what you wanted to that? ... Hypocracy.
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A_Klingon
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6. March 2008 @ 10:34 |
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WOW... nice setup. Looks like Sony's plan for World Domination begins at your place! ;-)
Sony would have to check with microsoft first. Gates is still working on that one. :)
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A_Klingon
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That control also comes with the eerie feeling that Blu-Ray "phoning home" will give the content companies more statistics on their demographic, something that ALL of these companies would salivate over, while keeping DRM alive, and forcing the consumer to pay for the same content multiple times.
Far from being farfetched, I think you are Bang-On-Absolutly-Correct about this, SProdigy.
And it's precisely *why* I will never hook my (likely-forthcoming) blu-ray player into the internet. I couldn't _care-less_ what content I might miss by failing to do so.
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A_Klingon
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6. March 2008 @ 10:57 |
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... why doesn't this community focus on beating this oppressive encryption and learning how to use the data we pay for in our own way. If anyone can beat this its the community here.
It's being worked on, on a daily basis - of that I am certain. CloneDVD and DVDHDFab come to mind, plus who knows who-all-else?
BD+ has gotta go, or be rendered *defeated*. That's all there is to it.
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6. March 2008 @ 11:08 |
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Originally posted by eatsushi:
That's a good setup Ryu. I hope you don't mind some advice though.
I see you have your center channel on the same rack as your players and amp. You're getting a good amount of vibration from the speaker getting to your audio equipment there.
If you haven't already done so I would advise using isolation feet for either your center speaker or your equipment or even both. I've used the vibrapods and they're very good:
http://www.vibrapod.com/
There are other makers out there so just google audio isolation feet. Heck I've seen some guys cut a tennis ball in half and use those.
I always welcome advice! :-D
Actually my center speaker is on a shelf all on it's own (apart from a little iPod dock which rarely gets used). My entertainment unit has 3 tiers (4 shelves). It might be hard to tell from that picture as it's all black... Or did you mean sitting on the same entertainment unit? I really can't think of any other way to position it so that the center speaker is where it is supposed to be in a 5.1 (or 6.2 in my case) configuration. Is this ok? Or did you know of a better way?
Yes, I do have isolation feet on the bottom of the center speaker. Well, not the classy vibrapod kind that you posted. I have rubber squares on the bottom to absorb vibration, noise transfer etc.
I find that I get good high clarity sound with no perceivable vibration, apart from my entire house shaking when the dual subs are given an opportunity to have their say. :-P Do you feel that there is anything else I could do to improve this set-up?
Thank you for your advice. Do you work in Home Theater? I can tell from your posts that you know what you're talking about here.
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