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nsta
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4. August 2008 @ 05:33 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hey guys, thanks to Odin, i am now up and running with MeGui....

I would like to know a few things....

I have a machine that can run 24/7 at work so i dont care about how long itll take to re-encode movies, and i also have a huge file-server so i dont care about file-sizes...now heres my questions for those in the know:)

1) How can i re-encode a 1080P MKV file to PS3 format without losing any picture quality (ie maintaining the same file size)....when using the bit-rate calculator,do i just put in the total time, and then change the file-size to the actual time of the movie (so it calculates a average bit-rate)?, and then use ryu77's 264 profile for a 2pass encode?

2) When using the AVS script editor to create my .avs script, do i need to specify the screen size????, and is there any other options i need to check off....again i just want the same video quality as source...when i look at the .avs script created, it has lancoz resize etc etc....do i need all of this, do most just leave it as it is?

3) last question:), if my source is a AVC high 5.1 profile...do i need to change anything during the re-encode so its compatible with the PS3???

Thanks to all in reply, this is getting better by the day:)

This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 4. August 2008 @ 05:36

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4. August 2008 @ 15:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by nsta:
1) How can i re-encode a 1080P MKV file to PS3 format without losing any picture quality (ie maintaining the same file size)....when using the bit-rate calculator,do i just put in the total time, and then change the file-size to the actual time of the movie (so it calculates a average bit-rate)?, and then use ryu77's 264 profile for a 2pass encode?
All you need to do with the bitrate calculator is specify the exact size of the video stream you want. If you do not want a loss in bitrate just make it the same size as the source.

Originally posted by nsta:
2) When using the AVS script editor to create my .avs script, do i need to specify the screen size????, and is there any other options i need to check off....again i just want the same video quality as source...when i look at the .avs script created, it has lancoz resize etc etc....do i need all of this, do most just leave it as it is?
Screen size = No
Resize = only if you wish to resize to a Blu-Ray compliant stream for AVCHD use... to incorporate DTS and subs. If all you want is a m2ts file the no, uncheck the resize option.

Originally posted by nsta:
3) last question:), if my source is a AVC high 5.1 profile...do i need to change anything during the re-encode so its compatible with the PS3???
No, Ryu77's profile will make you a fully compliant Blu-Ray stream, aside from resizing and adding borders. If you need help on resizing and adding borders just ask, it's real easy.

Good luck.
nsta
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4. August 2008 @ 17:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thanks Odin, slight problem, i couldn't get my test re-encode to play on the PS3....i now have a few questions...

1) Can the source .MKV h264 AVC 5.1 Profile video(which is not ps3-compliant) be opened in MeGUI without having to mux to M2ts first via TsMuxer....also does the AVC level need to be changed to 4.1 from 5.1 via tsmuxer before adding to MeGUI???

2) When opening the video in the MeGUI script editor, it asks whether to load ffdsshow? which option do i choose???.....

To make my video ps3 compliant, do i need to change the Resize option (i only want to create an .m2ts file which i can stream to the PS3)....i wan't to display the stream as it were on the source - untouched basically...

3) When creating the AVS Script in MeGUI, is it good to keep all the additional settings in the script (ie. when i open the created script in wordpad after been created with default settings, there are additional entries underneath "directshowSource" like "lancos Resize" etc etc....are these all necessary, is it best to leave it alone?

4) I should set MeGUI to RAWAVC right?, once it completes i get a .h264 file which i mux in TsMuxer to a m2ts file....this is correct right?

5) How do i play these files back on my Ps3?, ive only tried Streaming...

Basically, i'd like to know anything that may not be letting me create a ps3 compliant stream....

Thanks:)

This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 4. August 2008 @ 17:56

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4. August 2008 @ 18:16 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by nsta:
Thanks Odin, slight problem, i couldn't get my test re-encode to play on the PS3....i now have a few questions...

1) Can the source .MKV h264 AVC 5.1 Profile video(which is not ps3-compliant) be opened in MeGUI without having to mux to M2ts first via TsMuxer....also does the AVC level need to be changed to 4.1 from 5.1 via tsmuxer before adding to MeGUI???YES (SOURCE MKV), and NO (tsMuxeR 5.1 to 4.1)

2) When opening the video in the MeGUI script editor, it asks whether to load ffdsshow? which option do i choose???.....YES.

To make my video ps3 compliant, do i need to change the Resize option (i only want to create an .m2ts file which i can stream to the PS3)....i wan't to display the stream as it were on the source - untouched basically...DISABLE THIS OPTION, UNCHECK IT.

3) When creating the AVS Script in MeGUI, is it good to keep all the additional settings in the script (ie. when i open the created script in wordpad after been created with default settings, there are additional entries underneath "directshowSource" like "lancos Resize" etc etc....are these all necessary, is it best to leave it alone?YOU CAN LEAVE EVERYTHING AS/IS, ITEMS WITH A # PRECEDING THEM ARE IGNORED BY AVISYNTH.

4) I should set MeGUI to RAWAVC right?, once it completes i get a .h264 file which i mux in TsMuxer to a m2ts file....this is correct right?CORRECT.

5) How do i play these files back on my Ps3?, ive only tried Streaming...INSTEAD OF STREAMING, COPY THE FILE TO THE PS3 HDD VIA YOUR HOME NETWORK.

Basically, i'd like to know anything that may not be letting me create a ps3 compliant stream....YOU SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO.

Thanks:)
See my comments above in red. Also, some mkv's that are AVC level 5.1 can be changed by tsMuxeR and will play fine on the PS3, I suggest trying this before recoding... afterall this will be your best option for preserving quality.
nsta
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4. August 2008 @ 18:25 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hey Odin, thanks alot for your help, much appreciated....

So i'm guessing my problem is that i'm trying to stream the .m2ts file which is never going to work....will i need to create a BD disk structure with AVCHD?or do i just need to play the .m2ts of an external hdd as opposed to streaming?...

How do i copy the movie to ps3 HDD??

Last question: Will splitting the source .mkv using tsmuxer so i can test the reencode with megui on a smaller file size be ok? if so do i need to make sure to deselct all in TsMuxer (ie insert pps/ etc etc..?)

Thanks!

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5. August 2008 @ 19:44 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by nsta:
Hey Odin, thanks alot for your help, much appreciated....

So i'm guessing my problem is that i'm trying to stream the .m2ts file which is never going to work....will i need to create a BD disk structure with AVCHD?or do i just need to play the .m2ts of an external hdd as opposed to streaming?...The only way you can stream a m2ts file is if it consists of only h264 video and AC3 audio. If you want DTS or subs you need to go AVCHD.

How do i copy the movie to ps3 HDD??Just like you would stream, find the file in the PS3 XMB, from your streaming application, press Triangle, then choose copy. It will then transfer from your PC to the PS3's HDD. The good thing about this is there is no file size restriction.

Last question: Will splitting the source .mkv using tsmuxer so i can test the reencode with megui on a smaller file size be ok? if so do i need to make sure to deselct all in TsMuxer (ie insert pps/ etc etc..?)Use the Split/Cut feature in tsMuxeR to so this, set the start time to whatever, then the end to two minutes later. If your mkv download comes with a sample test with that.

Thanks!
See my comments in red.
nsta
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6. August 2008 @ 05:49 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thanks Odin, i've learned so much from you in very little time, i will be starting my big encode tommorow...i tested with a test encode using your method and all is ok (i was trying to stream the file which was my problem all along!!!)

Anyway, i got one last question need answering please:)

When i asked you earlier about calculating the video bitrate, you told me to put in the size of the file so it calculates the average bitrate....Now if the file is a 7.5gb MKV with Video+Audio...do i place 7.5gb in the bitrate calculator?...or should i first find out how big the audio stream is first and subtract that from the total figure in the bitrate calculator?

Thanks for everything Odin!
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6. August 2008 @ 06:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
To calculate the actual video size you need do the following.

1. Figure out your audio size; right click on your audio file... you'll need to demux it from the mkv first... where it says "Size", use the number in brackets.

2. Also, another number you need to take in to consideration is the Blu-Ray/m2ts overhead, which is 570mb for a DVD9.

So take the DVD9 capacity, minus the audio, minus the overhead, equals your video size.

8152mb (DVD9) - ###mb (audio) - 570mb (overhead) = video size

Take your video size and use that in the bitrate calculator, remember... this is just for the video stream size only. If you calculate you'll need 6173mb reserved for the video, round down and use 6100mb, or 6.1GB... that is what I specify in (GB, not MB), you don't want to be over by a few MB.

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