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SHRINK CAN'T CRACK THIS TOUGH NUT OF A DVD
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gbroman
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5. October 2008 @ 04:50 |
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Hi,I'm a noob to Shrink and help on my problem will be a boon.
I am using Shrink 3.2 and trying to back up a DVD for a mate.He tells me that another person with both the tools and know-how attempted to do it 2 years ago and couldn't get a result either.
Here are the facts as they stand at present;
1/ The DVD won't play on my computer no matter what Media player I use:
WMP11, VLC, NERO, but does play on stand alone DVD players.
2/ Nor will not it decrypt using Shrink or DVD Decypter (I've got the lastest versions, and DVDD can't be updated as far as I know.)
It passes the analysis but gets to, say 30% decrypting of the VTS_02_1.VOB when the read rate drops from 2.0x to 0.0x and oscillates between 10Kb/s to 30Kb/s. Takes about an hour to read the 1.048GB Vob. The same happens with the next VTS_02_2.VOB, and the remaining ones. I give up trying to decrypt when I see "Time remainig" @ 77 hours, or another figure between that and 5 hours.
VTS_ 02_2 (where i think the problem lies) reaches 9% decryption then it starts massing up Read Errors totalling 181 by the time its read 11%, 1 hour later.
I set DVDD to ignore read errors so why it didn't has me beat.
Shrink gets to about 27% decrypting then pops up the message, Failed to read file "K:\". Data error: Cyclic rendancy check.
What I've trid to do:
a; Use several other ripping software programs.All fail to complete.
b; Make an ISO of DVD, took all night and wouldn't produce a DVD that played beyond where it sticks on the VTS_02_2.VOB that I can play in the media players I mentioned earlier.
c; Do a Hard Drive scan for bad sectors. No probs there.
d; Clean both my DVD RW with lens cleaning CD.Also the said offending DVD.Spotless they are.
;Not give up!! (unfortunately I had to be incorrigible to be born.
I have never before had a problem backing up a commercial DVD.
WMP11 tries to inform me that there's a problem with digital copy protection betwee DVD drive, decoder, video card & that I should update driver. (complete twaddle it is!).
DVDD info on the DVD states it has Regions 2,3,4,5,6,7,8, no RCE protection & CopyrightProtection System Type CCS/CPPM.
Prior to pasting this thread I read a lot in the forums here about The Cyclic Redundancy Check and they were most informative, however I found that most of it addressed the issue in respect of the media used to create a backup of a DVD after it had been decrypted. A stage to which I cannot get.
Sorry about the long thread, heres the final bits, if they're necessary & permitted.
The DVD is "The Rolling Stones Rock And Roll Circus" issued in 1998, bought new two years ago & it's not scratched. Sod of a thing it is:(
This has been a bit of a chestnut for me to get into,so
Help and ideas apprecciated & thanks in advance.
HARDWARE: HP Compaq Presario S3010AN
AMD Athlon XP2000 (1.6GHz)
768MB DDR1 Ram
Radeon 9000 graphics card(Maya Gygabyte Radeon 9000 Pro driver)
Asus 1814BL DL RW Quietrack & HL-DT-ST DVDRRW GWA-416B
Western Digital WD800B-00JAC0 80GB HDD (and a 30GB slave)
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miltex
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5. October 2008 @ 04:56 |
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When the chips are down, you can count on miltex !
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gbroman
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5. October 2008 @ 05:15 |
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miltex, thanks for your response, advice & pointers to helpful software.
I thought the DVD was a tricky bit of stuff so I will get the software you mention and give it a try.
I've had all sorts of problems ranging from pixelation, to sticking, stuttering, DVD drive freezing up and refuse to open,directors voice overs blah blah.
Thank you again, I'll post back how I fared after putting your advice into action.
Cheers, gbroman.
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5. October 2008 @ 05:39 |
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This DVD was released in 2004. You may have a bad disc.
99% of all problems are between the computer and the chair.
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gbroman
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5. October 2008 @ 08:29 |
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dialysis 1, thanks for your input & you are probably correct about the release date of the DVD & the possibility that I'm working with a bad version of it.As I said it was bought new 2 year ago, cost $30 NZ, and couldn't be backed up back then. I've tried getting it to decrypt/back-up with all manner of software at my disposal ranging from VSO convertX to DVD, Apollo, Magic DVD Copier, 1 Click DVD5,DVD Decrypter, DVD FAB Platinum & Shrink, so I agree with you that the DVD probably comes from a bad batch.Especially as I can't get a usable result or an .ISO that works.
I will persevere with it by going the way fellow miltex suggested, as I will have gained more knowledge about using Shrink and the suggested programs.
Thanks again, gbroman.
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5. October 2008 @ 12:30 |
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Maybe you can save some of it. See if you can save any of the VOB files.
99% of all problems are between the computer and the chair.
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gbroman
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5. October 2008 @ 21:17 |
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miltex & dialysis 1
I got the recommended software & guides ( I already had DVDShrink 3.2.0.15).Using DVDFab HD Decrypter 5.0.6.0 in Full Disc mode I was prompted to switch to the PathPlayer mode due to a read error. This I did as I had done so before and still didn't get past the problems I was having before, i.e the read beginning to slowdown from 2.7MB/s after getting as far as completing VTS_02_1.Vob and starting to read the VTS_02_2.Vob@:about20% of entire 7.4GB DVD. At 25%( at6.20am today) the read speed is virtually zero and @ midday today had reached 32% reading at 0.01MB/s.
The DVD seems to jam and the activity indicator light shows nothing, DVD drive seems to labour as if under strain.
I looked into the System Event Viewer and have a page full of Errors relating to Imapi failling with I/O Error Timeouts from 6.20 thru to 10.45. Possible reason /remedy given; disc dirty, clean/replace.
I think the project is a no win situation.
However, i have managed over the past week to get a couple of the the vobs & all IFO's & BUP's completely saved.Every VOB from between a half of VTS 02_2.VOB up to Start of VTS_04_1 is as good as non-existant.
Could be the DVD, the Hardware.or the WXP Pro OS got a problem.
I will check these things out by trying to decrypt another DVD.
Thanks for your input. I'll get back to post the result of the next project. Hopefully, the prob is the DVD disc.
Ciao 4 now.
gbroman
( all of the bits about the event viewer etc are probably irelavent & have nothing to do with the Shrink Forum, so sorry about that. Thought it might cast a light on the problem.)
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gbroman
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5. October 2008 @ 22:21 |
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THINK-SHRINK GOOD DOCTOR
The DVD must have slipped through Quality Control,as can happen. Mate got it off the shelf @ the store where "Everyone gets a bargain". It could have shipped on the BuyJingo Xpress.
I have just breeze-completed copying 'Full Disc' a 7.5GB commercial original DVD to HDD using DVDFab HD Decrypter.It took 29 minutes. : )I didn't need to do backup as I already have one.
Now I am going to read the User Guides I got last night & get clued up on the use of new software progs I have.
See ya.gbroman
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Joleca
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8. October 2008 @ 05:51 |
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Just a suggestion....
try AnyDVD ( http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html ) not free, but you get a 21 day free trial.. Had something similar happen with another DVD, (this was brand new).. Would play just fine in any stand-alone DVD "player", but could not even be read in a computer DVD drive... almost as if whatever protection was on it prevented it from even being seen a a drive that was capable of copying.. The drive would run and make all kinds of "grinding noises" but wouldn't even see the disc. (tried in 3 different computers with same result).. Never before experienced anything like this with any other DVD.
Got a copy of AnyDVD and loaded (program runs in the background automatically).. popped in the problem disc and got a little pop-up from AnyDVD (please wait.... ) after a couple of minutes, the player software popped up and the movie played beautifully without a hitch.. Thought I'd try DVD Shrink to get a copy on a DVD +R.. When I had it initially open the disc, it said it was "not" encrypted and it processed and burned the disc with no problems.. Tried another disc that DVD shrink would start to open/analyze and get about 65% through and then DVD shrink would shut down and vanish as if I'd killed the program in the task manager.. After AnyDVD initially processed, DVD Shrink had no problems opening, analyzing and making a great copy of the disk.
So, again, not free, but try and see if it works... nothing to lose with a free trial and it might solve your problem.
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8. October 2008 @ 08:31 |
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Originally posted by Joleca:
Just a suggestion....
try AnyDVD ( http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html ) not free, but you get a 21 day free trial.. Had something similar happen with another DVD, "Stargate Continuum" (this was brand new).. Would play just fine in any stand-alone DVD "player", but could not even be read in a computer DVD drive... almost as if whatever protection was on it prevented it from even being seen a a drive that was capable of copying.. The drive would run and make all kinds of "grinding noises" but wouldn't even see the disc. (tried in 3 different computers with same result).. Never before experienced anything like this with any other DVD.
Got a copy of AnyDVD and loaded (program runs in the background automatically).. popped in the problem disc and got a little pop-up from AnyDVD (please wait.... ) after a couple of minutes, the player software popped up and the movie played beautifully without a hitch.. thought I'd then try DVD Shrink.. When I had it initially open the disc, it said it was "not" encrypted and it processed and burned the disc with no problems.. Tried another disc that DVD shrink would start to open/analyze and get about 65% through and then DVD shrink would shut down and vanish as if I'd killed the program in the task manager.. After AnyDVD initially processed, DVD Shrink had no problems opening, analyzing and making a great copy of the film.
So, again, not free, but try and see if it works... nothing to lose with a free trial and it might solve your problem.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 8. October 2008 @ 08:55
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Joleca
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8. October 2008 @ 08:53 |
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Originally posted by rtm27:
Edit your message before a mod does it for you.
Thanks.... did so, could you edit the copy in your post??
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8. October 2008 @ 09:39 |
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Didin't need to. A mod did it for me.
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8. October 2008 @ 09:48 |
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Originally posted by rtm27:
Didin't need to. A mod did it for me.
Them sneaky Mods.
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gbroman
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9. October 2008 @ 18:22 |
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thsinger, rtm27, joleca
Thanks and sorry I'm late getting back.
I havn't tried AnyDVD although I have Slysoft. Havn't loaded the trial version to comp, slipped my mind as the trial period expired on me ...ohh.. a year ago, and any new installation of it would say expired. However, I am now running a completely new install of MS XP Pro+SP2 MCE (tho I don't use MCE as my comp graphics card not good enough for it), so, I guess a new install will probably allow the trial. I'll give it a go & let you know.
However, at end of the day, The DVD Rock and Roll Circus IS faulty. I did a DiscScan of it using the tool from Nero8 Ultra and it starts showing a string of bad sectors from 20% into the scan, eventually stopping the scan about an hour later @ 27%.
What I have added to my arsenal is Ripit4me v.1.7.1.0 that I'd noticed mentioned in forums. Using Ripit4me I managed to get DVD to be read and noticed that "Dummies" were being loaded into 30% & 70% of the problem Vobs. Then Ripit wanted to do a second decrypt of all the vobs and when I give it the go ahead to do so,took ages ,and served up a fail notice.
Using Ripit4me to decrypt $ not allowing the rerun decrypt,then doing both the clean up options & then processing all vobs with FixVts v.1.6.0.3 I end up with a partial copy, and that will have to do. It ain't going to get any better than that. Alas.
To finish with, I went and got 2 original DVD's to play, Spiderman1 for the kids,and Black Sheep. I tried to play these in com and got probs with Spiderman having to install a Inter Actual Player. Seen that before, I loaded it. Waste of time. Trying to rip both DVD's, using Ripit4me, FixVts & Shrink to com bought up same probs I had before. But at end of day ,a long one at that, I got a copy af Black Sheep.
As I said earlier. I've never before had a jam-up and had to spend up to 6 hours to back up a DVD. I'll plod on.
Thanks for your input. I'll try your advice.
ciao, gbroman
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9. October 2008 @ 19:20 |
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As stated by miltex, you can also use dvdfab hd decrypter, as it's a free ripper that is still being updated.
There is a paid version of dvdfab (gold/platinum) that have 30 day trials, then revert to the free version after the time limit runs out.
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Azazel61
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9. October 2008 @ 20:13 |
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Adding a good quality ripper like Dvd Fab HD Decrypter is a good idea. It's updated to keep up with all these new encryptions that come out rather frequently. The 30 trial is great because it gives you the opportunity to see what DvdFab Platinum is like.
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gbroman
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9. October 2008 @ 21:11 |
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rtm27 & azazel
Thanks. I have both the programs you mentioned, DVDFab 4 Platinum I've had for some time but never really used it.As I said the DVD that I was trying to backup was faulty, as for the two I tried wednesday, well I dunno about them.
I'll be back in couple of days as I going away, so will post how I get on with creating DVD backups with progs you suggest.
I have just lodged another thread titled "Have I got the sequence right using ripping/burning tools I have" that should point me in the right direction.
Thanks, gbroman
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