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DVD Shrink Stops
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rlelange
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13. July 2004 @ 18:28 |
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I've been using DVDShrink for about 6 months and I have been having a problem now when I get to the Encoding step. It will freeze up at about 50%. I've tried cleaning the disc and I have plenty of drive space. So far this is only happening with TV programs, When I do movies DVDShrink work fine.
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13. July 2004 @ 18:43 |
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So far this is only happening with TV programs
You mean tv programs you've recorded? If so, I don't think Shrink does this ... I thought Shrink is only for dvd movies.
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rlelange
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13. July 2004 @ 18:55 |
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The programs I am speaking of are on dvd like "Smallville" and "24".
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13. July 2004 @ 19:24 |
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OIC ... Are you re-authoring?
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rlelange
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13. July 2004 @ 19:42 |
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I don't know! I don't know what "OIC" means, and what is "Re-authoring". I was woundering if they are starting to use a new encryption with these dvd's, and this is maybe why I am having this problem.
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13. July 2004 @ 19:46 |
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lol ... sorry. OIC is Oh I see (ie. the dvd's of Smallville and 24, and the fact that they are not recorded).
Re-author is when you take out extras. Like if you only want the show. Do those dvd's have extras, previews, etc ... People will take those out and just leave the movie/episodes to improve the quality. When you re-author you lose the menu function.
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I was woundering if they are starting to use a new encryption with these dvd's
Have you tried ripping with DVD Decrypter first? To remove the encryption ... then run it through Shrink.
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rlelange
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13. July 2004 @ 20:05 |
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I went into DVDShrink and I seen the "ReAuthor" button. I don't know how to use the thing in there I use the "Backup" button and all I uncheck are the foreign languages. I have that other program you said to try. I've never used it, so I will see what it does.
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rlelange
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14. July 2004 @ 00:20 |
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Thanks for your help! I tried the DVD Decrypter and once I fumbled through it, figuring out what buttons and what selections to make, it did the job with no hang ups. I played 2 of the 4 episodes and no problems. It does seem to double the time it takes to make the copy, then when I am able to just use DVDShrink to do it.
Thank you again,
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14. July 2004 @ 00:28 |
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rlelange...
If you are freezing half way through encoding in Shrink the problem is most likely memory related. This can either be RAM or page file/virtual memory.
What are your system specs? (Processor, Ram, HD, OS)
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brobear
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14. July 2004 @ 02:24 |
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And to add to Doc409's question,
How much free space on that HD?
You need from 10 to 15GB free space. Larger is better, especially when recording the bigger movies.
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brobear
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14. July 2004 @ 02:37 |
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Sounds like when you ripped with Decrypter and it worked, you lightened the demand on the system memory. That's among the advantages of using HD files. It also gives the old laser a chance to rest. It shouldn't add that much time to the process as Shrink can use those ripped files from the HD much faster than reading from a disk.
Check related links at the lower part of the page.
Don't know if you've heard about it yet, there is a new version of DVD Shrink due out shortly and it is a vast improvement over the current version.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/94334
http://www.dvdshrink.info/
You can find guides for the software here at AD, at Doom9.org, MrBass, and at DVDShrinkInfo.
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rlelange
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14. July 2004 @ 10:24 |
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I have a Dell 1.7 P4 with 250 Mbs ram and a 40, 120, 160 Gb Hard drives and WinXP. So far this problem only happens with some of the dvd's with TV programs, I haven't had any problem with dvd movies. Every time I tried redoing it, it always stopped at the same percentage complete, but were not the same percentage on different dvds, sometimes 48% somntimes 52% and so on. I started to believe it might be a hole put in the dvd like they did programs on floppys.
It seem to take twice as long because doing the DVD Decrypter is as long a process as doing the backup in DVDShrink taking twice as long.
I'm going to be watching for that new version of DVDShrink.
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14. July 2004 @ 10:36 |
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I believe you should consider at least another 128MB of RAM given your CPU. XP alone takes up more than 100MB, and on my system I use about 130-160 MB for Shrink. You should also turn off any background programs.
XP has a nice utility that gives you an instant reading on CPU and memory usage. Do Ctrl-Alt-Del, Task Manager, Performance. I think that you will see your RAM bottoming out when you go into encoding.
Your page file should also be manually set with min and max the same. I use 4000 MB when I am crunching video files. Whatever you decide, don't let XP manage the page file for you. This WILL crash the system when doing video.
Considering your concerns that something special has been done to the files to prevent backup, I don't think this is the case. There is just a lot of file crunching to do, and your system is having a problem with it.
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brobear
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14. July 2004 @ 11:27 |
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If something had been done then the completion with DVD Decrypter would not have occured. As I said it is memory related. Your RAM capacity is bare minimum for DVD recording. Doc409 is correct when he says you need to up the RAM. I had 512MB RAM on an old 350MHz P2 I owned in years past. I don't know why the manufacturers leave it up to the consumer to buy a decent amount of RAM as an option. RAM is the cheapest way to make any PC work better. I am running 1GB on my system.
I would say about 500MB would be adequate for your system with the background programing turned off during recording.
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brobear
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14. July 2004 @ 11:33 |
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What is the configuration of the hard drives on your PC? Most units are only set up for 2 in M/S or CSEL on one ribbon. You probably have the Master/Slave setup. Do you have a hard drive on a cable with a disc drive or do you have a card on the board for an additional cable?
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14. July 2004 @ 11:36 |
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@Brobear. That's a good point. The other thing I am wondering is if, with the freezes, if the DVD drive didn't switch to PIO mode? Have you ever heard of this happening?
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brobear
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14. July 2004 @ 12:12 |
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No, it's simple enough to check, go into the device manager, open controlers and check the settings. It's not as easy to do as it sounds, one might have to look at the XP instructions, but that's the method. Here's how it goes: DEVICE MGR
IN IDE ATA/ATIPI,primary ide and secondary channel.properties,advanced settings,select transfer mode box you should be able to select
dma if available or pio only.and the box below,
It should show (current transfer mod)such as dma or ultra dma mode
Hope that didn't confuse you too much. The Device manager is in control panel in System under Hardware tab.
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14. July 2004 @ 12:56 |
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rlelange...
To clarify this a bit, you do need more memory. Another 128MB will barely get you by, and as brobear suggests, 500 MB would be best. I have 500, and I don't bottom out with a 2.6 P4. Also, I am surprised you haven't had problems cruching video files before now. I would add here that for word processing and other non-video apps, 256MB is fine.
When a system crashes, XP has been known/claimed to change a drive from DMA to PIO mode in order to go slower, and to use less system resources. The point here is that when you do install new memory, you need to check to make sure you are in DMA mode on all your drives. Otherwise, you might get the idea that adding more memory didn't help your problem.
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brobear
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14. July 2004 @ 13:22 |
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I believe Microsoft has a bulletin out on the PIO to DMA situation. And I haven't heard of it personally, but I believe MS says a system can kick into PIO from DMA. Go to MS and run a search would be the best option. Here is a link to some good info on the situation :
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archive/idedma.mspx
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rlelange
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14. July 2004 @ 17:41 |
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The 40 Gb is the master which I have dedicated for computer programs. The 160 Gb is a slave, but my computer only recognizes it as a 137 Gb (for movies). The 120 Gb is connected to an ATA 100 card, (for movies). I keep the movies on the drive till I have a chance to watch them. I sometimes find I used a defective dvd disc, and I have to burn it again.
All the above is beyond my knowledge I have a newer dell with 500 mbs and a faster processor I will shop for another dvd burner to put in it.
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14. July 2004 @ 18:02 |
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rlelange,
These new things can be a little intimidating at first. However, there is just a handful of things that need to be in order for things to work properly. This makes troubleshooting online possible.
Once you get another drive, or a RAM upgrade ... if things don't work, come back and we'll help you through the process.
As you have several drives, and two computers, there is an accessory that I have personally found very useful. It is the removable front-loading hard drive tray. You can get them on ebay for about $15 each. Do a search for "mobile hot swap." With these you can swap HD's between computers. You can also pick up an app like Norton SystemWorks for less than $10, and beside all the anti-virus protection, it has a Ghost feature that lets you do a complete clone of a drive. Cloning is great for backups, and since it is a clone, you can also boot from it should your main drive crash.
Good luck.
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Add On: I forgot to mention that your newer Dell will see the full 160 GB of that HD. Another suggestion is to divide it into two drives like 80/80 or 120/40 so the older computer can use all the GB's. Your drive mfg has a download utility that can help you setup and divide the drive.
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brobear
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14. July 2004 @ 19:41 |
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The XP operating system, with SP1, running NTSF can handle the larger drives for the system and recognize all the available disc. I added a 250GB HD last year. Doc409 is right about the partitioning though, you have to have that for the older operating systems or use a controller card. The 137 GB is the recognizable limit for the older systems.
A little trivia: Manufacturers rate their items for hype and the techs and apps rate the soft and hardware at real world values. Just remember the 4.7 GB disc only holds 4.3 GB of data. The same principle works in CPU, HD capacity and anything else sales wants to hype as bigger and better. That 250GB HD of mine is in reality a 232 GB unit. It's all in how the numbers are read.
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