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junko
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29. July 2004 @ 15:03 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
A friend of mine heard there were some plugins that could speed up the
progress of "deep anaylsis" using dvd shrink, as well as plugins that could
help speed up the encoding process.

Are there such plugins? Some one please let me know (and where they are and
where to get them if possible)

Thanks all!!!


jon colburn
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Veblin
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29. July 2004 @ 15:33 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
No there are no plugins.

The Analysis and Deep Analysis results for DVD Shrink are stored in the folder.
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\DVD Shrink
The Application Data holder is a hidden folder so you need to show hidden files and folders.
Tools > Folder Options... > View tab > Show hidden files and folders.

Now if your friend has done Deep Analysis on a disc and then you copied the Analysis Results to your computer (assuming you also own a disc of that same DVD), then you would not have to do Deep Analysis.

There has been some talk of making some sort of Deep Analysis data base that could be accessed on the Internet. The problem is that there are so many different DVD's, different versions of those DVD's, different version for different countries, etc. Not to mention if someone did any editing of the dvd files before using DVD Shrink. There may also be legal issues involved. It might happen but I would not count on it.

This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 29. July 2004 @ 15:39

junko
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29. July 2004 @ 17:13 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thanks for the reply. A friend of his said he used Shrink and he had vosoted some DVD Google groups and found some plugins that sped up the time for running 'deep analysis' and also to speed up the encoding time. He said it takes him 12-15 minutes to run a deep analysis of an entire commercial DVD (8 gig plus, I assume) It takes me about 45min-1hr depending. Then it takes me about an hour to encode it. It only takes about 12 minutes to burn, but it still takes me a little over two hours from start to finish (There's also ripping time with DVDDeCrypter but it rips to the HD pretty fast)

Are these average times?

And are there any websites that explain how deep analysis works?

I'm running:

DVDShrink 3.2
DVDDecrypter 3.2.3.0

AMD Athlon XP Barton 2500+ Socket A CPU
Soyo KT-333 Dragon Ultra platinum edition MB
512MB Corsair DDR Ram
Pioneer A06 DVD Burner
Western Digital 160GB 7200rpm HD w/8MB buffer (hooked into the built in RAID IDE port on MB with 100mbps data transfer rate.)

Again, thanks for your reply

junkopardner


jon colburn
Veblin
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29. July 2004 @ 18:02 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I would not go by what a friend of a friend said. There could be a little exaggeration there or maybe they already did Deep analysis on that disc previously. Your times do sound a little slow for the computer you have but there are a lot of variables. Maybe someone else would have ideas about speeding things up. I am not sure if your RAID setup helps or hurts speed.

I believe you mean firmware and not plugins.
http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php
http://flashman.rpc-1.com/
http://flashman.rpc-1.com/Firmware/PIONEER_DVDR/

Maybe something modified to do a 12X rip.
http://flashman.rpc-1.com/Firmware/PIONEER_DVDR/DVR-106D/

Or maybe just get a DVD-ROM drive that will also rip at a fast speed.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/97773

This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 29. July 2004 @ 18:20

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30. July 2004 @ 12:14 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
junko...

Windows has a utility that might help you understand the time factors better. Do Ctrl-Alt-Del >> Task Manager >> Performance. This will launch a real-time read-out of CPU and memory usage.

Launch this prior to "Open Disc." When "Anaylising" begins, which is about a 2 minute process, CPU is 50 to 100%. Once you start Deep Anaylsis, you will see CPU usage jump to 100%, and remain there throughout encoding. The major exceptions to this are not enough enough memory (RAM and/or Virtual/page file) or a CPU heat problem. The read-out will show you that you are fine with 512RAM. It does not give a direct VM/page file usage, and this has to be interpreted. The best thing to do is to just change it to where you know it will be adequate. I recommend 4000MB min & max for the drive seeing the file. This will increase the efficiency of the info transfer process.

The "bottle neck" as you can see is the CPU. There isn't a plug-in that can make it go faster. Only overclocking, and that's another story. So, if you want to reduce the time, you will need a faster CPU or multiple computers.

As far as how deep analysis works, there are special alorithms developed to "steal" space from the B and P frames to "shrink" them. The I frames are left intact. Once enough data is removed from a DVD-9's I, B, or P frames, its image will then fit on a DVD-5. Just exactly how these algorithms are designed to steal space and still yield a quality image is a well-kept secret.

Concerning burn time, look at the CPU usage again. It will likely be less than 15%. The bottle neck here is the write speed of the burner/media combination. 12 to 16 minutes is normal for 4X media.

Next to the Perfomance tab is the Processes tab. This will tell you what else is running in the background. These other programs can steal CPU and memory, so turn them off to optimize encoding.

As a final note, we depend on our computers to do a lot of things. The most demanding is processing video files. To really understand this, next time you have a doc to type, check out the CPU usage...you might get a 5% peak value!!!



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I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. (Pablo Picasso)

This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 30. July 2004 @ 12:16

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1. August 2004 @ 15:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
veblin...about those firmwares...i flashed my 107 with an rpc1 program version 130...everythings been fine for months until lately my burns are erratic after 3-3.5 gig.Ive tried flashing with later firmwares but they wont recognise my drive, or state that they are unsuitable!! discounting any media issues,why cant i re flash to a later one??


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