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Experienced user please for advice on new built PC
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2. February 2010 @ 21:18 |
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Jinka: Well you can go with either and notice very little difference either way, that's my point. The cost of the two systems isn't the same, so using the same budget is irrelevant. Use whichever CPU lets you have more other stuff for the $2500.
Xplorer: Then it's our job to convince them otherwise :P
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Xplorer4
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3. February 2010 @ 16:46 |
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@Sam isnt the 860 still cheaper? If so then all the more reason for the 860, but like you said the difference isnt exactly mind blowing anyways.
Anyways yes I agree on the multi gpu part. :p
OS: Kubuntu 12.10/Windows 8 -- CPU: Intel Core i7 2600K -- Motherboard: MSI P67A-G45 -- Memory: 2x4GB Corsair Dominator -- Graphics Card: Sapphire 4890 Vapor-X -- Monitor: Dell 2208WFP -- Mouse: Mionix NAOS 5000 -- PSU: Corsair 520HX -- Case: Thermaltake Mozart TX -- Cooling: Thermalright TRUE Black Ultra-120 eXtreme CPU Heatsink Rev C -- Hard Drives: 1x180 GB Intel 330 SSD/1xWD 1 TB Caviar Black/1xWD 2 TB Caviar Green/2xWD 3 TB Caviar Green
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3. February 2010 @ 16:49 |
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That's my point. The 860 system will likely work out cheaper. If so, then use the 860 since it will get you the better deal.
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Jinkazuya
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5. February 2010 @ 00:20 |
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Well...I still don't understand the overclocking part of the CPU, I hope this won't be the wrong thread of a little bit of overclock discussion.
For instance, I have a i7 920, which is 2.66ghz and then I have a i7 960 3.20ghz...I know that the multiplier will be locked at certain point within the CPU...The question is if I wanna overclock to 4.3 assuming that I wanna do that...Will there be a limit to each of them? Such as since 920 is 2.66ghz, there would be a limit to it, let say cannot exceed 4.5...and since i7 960 is 3.20gz, with better capability, it could be overclocked over 4.5. Or i7 960 can be overclocked better than the i7 920 as it has higher gbz? Or they could just be overclocked the same regardless of the stock speed?
This is what is confusing me the most. If that is so, why do, those experienced with overclocking, buy a must expensive processor such as i7 975 extreme? Or such kind of processor with higher stock speed is only for those who have no experience with or don't wanna overclock?
I am under the impression that the lower stock speed the CPU, the less possible it could be overclocked to higher speed. Not sure if this would be true.
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5. February 2010 @ 11:02 |
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The situation you describe in your main paragraph is how CPUs generally work. The bus speeds are often the same for similar CPUs, but higher multipliers are used to get a higher CPU speed. The multipliers are not changeable (except for extreme edition CPUs) and thus, if there is a limit to maximum bus speed, the CPU with the higher multiplier can be overclocked further. This is of fundamental importance for high-end Core 2 CPUs, as the limit of the bus is far more of an issue than the limit of the CPU.
Core i5s and i7s, however, typically show less reliance on the bus speed, and in general the CPU itself becomes a limit first, and all at the same speed. This limit tends to first show up at 4.1Ghz, or thereabouts. Getting an i5 past this point is complex, getting an i7 past it less so, but it requires a vast amount of energy, requiring a good cooler and motherboard for voltage regulation. I generally recommend 4.1Ghz as the maximum for non-enthusiasts overclocking i5s/i7s. Typically 3.8 is likely to be far easier, for the speed gained.
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Jinkazuya
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5. February 2010 @ 15:30 |
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So how do I determine the multiplier limit of the CPU? By looking at the BIOS during POST? Besides, how do we know the bus limit speed of the CPU as well? One of the guys told me that the extreme edition has its own multiplier unlocked, so with extreme edition such as 965 i7, you could overclock as high as possible, which could exceed 4.5gbz...And there is also a benchmark for overclocking...The world record of the guy who overclocked his 920 i7 to 5.3ghz...What the!!! Is just awesome.
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5. February 2010 @ 17:03 |
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Just google it, each CPU has its own.
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Jinkazuya
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8. February 2010 @ 22:45 |
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8. February 2010 @ 22:47 |
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The V8 is oversized and over-rated. The Noctua cooler is still better, and much more compact.
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Jinkazuya
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18. February 2010 @ 20:46 |
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18. February 2010 @ 22:16 |
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It's only a bit of styling. You don't have to remove it, but you can if it annoys you...
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Jinkazuya
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18. February 2010 @ 22:42 |
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18. February 2010 @ 23:58 |
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You did remember to put the standoffs in first right?
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Jinkazuya
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19. February 2010 @ 00:49 |
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These are two big for the drilled holes of the case...I tried them but the screws were just simply too big to fit in.
As you told me earlier in your post Sam, you said you own one of these cases as well...Is it the way how you set up your motherboard? Is your motherboard Gigabyte in ATX factor? I really wanna know and I feel so desperate about the compatibility between the case and the mobo.
I hope you could help me out SAM.
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19. February 2010 @ 11:14 |
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The fact that I own a HAF as well is largely irrelevant. All cases use this method of fitting a motherboard, they are all to a specific standard, the ATX standard. You take these motherboard standoffs, screw them into the case holes by hand, then place the motherboard on top of them, and screw the board into the standoffs. It should be pretty self-explanatory. The reason standoffs are used is so that the motherboard is elevated above the metal surface of the case, so nothing will short out on the case itself. If you simply sat the board on the case without elevating it, all the metal connection points underneath the board would be connected together by the case material, which would potentially destroy the board if it was turned on in such a state.
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Jinkazuya
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19. February 2010 @ 15:34 |
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I will try that out as soon as I get home and see how that works again. Thanks a lot SAM.
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Jinkazuya
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19. February 2010 @ 20:15 |
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Well Sam...I hope you could help me through whenever I get stuck or have problems assembling certain parts of the computer...Since you have lots of experience about this kind of stuff...Maybe an expert haaa...
Here comes the question...I have already installed the CPU...But because this is my first time I have put my hand on PC building, so I really hope if what I did was correct.....
1) I opened up the lever and took out the cover.
2) Then I aligned the CPU of 1366 socket(920), the first pin.
3) I placed it on the socket.
4) I closed the lever.
5) Since the lever didn't complete close, which I thought I read certain article before I did it. I had to push and held the lever with my index finger, and then pulled down the lever arm.
If not, could you please generalize the steps and show me how to do it? I really appreciate that.
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19. February 2010 @ 21:54 |
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The CPU socket lever should require reasonable force. It is not that easy to close. However, the lever locks in place when closed, and it should not take unreasonable force to do so.
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Jinkazuya
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19. February 2010 @ 23:13 |
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Could you please walk me through? I'd like to learn the correct steps to install the CPU...although I already installed it. I really like to confirm if what I did is correct. It would be great Sam if you could show me step by step because it is said that the i7 and 1366 socket is different from those made a while back ago.
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20. February 2010 @ 02:23 |
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LGA1366 might have a different pin layout, but the installation is exactly the same. You open the socket, remove the plastic cover, place the CPU in the socket, then close the lever again. Then you can start installing the cooler.
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Jinkazuya
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20. February 2010 @ 14:09 |
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Would you care to help me with the front panel connector such as the power led, HD led and so on?
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20. February 2010 @ 14:29 |
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It can vary for each board. Just read the motherboard manual.
Most motherboards also print the diagram next to the connectors, to tell you which connector is for what.
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Jinkazuya
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20. February 2010 @ 19:03 |
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- Putting all nonsense aside...The first thing I have to do right now is:
1) I don't even know what I should say...But the time you have spent and the effort you have put into helping me has been deeply appreciated from the bottom of my heart. As I am a newbie and this is my first time doing that...You have participated into all threads and now my thread has expanded to third page, but you are still willing to answer any question I have...This is extremely generous of you to do that.
2) Do you have the ATI+ certificate? if not, you should get one...I think you are now a professional, and with the ATI+, that will assure and authenticate your status esp as far as PC hardware is concerned.
3) I have not really installed any window or anything yet, but since when I turned it on, it booted and I was able to see the set up screen, I am quite happy about it and again because this is my first time. The reason why I don't install OS is because of the SSD that I bought, and I didn't even know that it is so small until I received it and opened it as I was installing the harddisks. And then I decide to buy the mounting bracket.....DO HAVE ANY ANY RECOMMENDATION Sam? and I wanna mount it to the 3.5 bay drive. Or the case of mine has already come with one which I don't even know about?
4) With the PC being able to put, does it really mean that the CPU is working and no damage done to it?
5) I still have a lot to learn when it comes to building a PC esp something like component compatibility, good components, and other peripheral stuff...Last but not least, overclocking is what everybody's dream when it comes to PC...I hope you would still be able to walk me through whenever I get stuck and help me overcome the difficulty...I am really grateful to that.
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Jinkazuya
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22. February 2010 @ 15:59 |
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Just make double confirmation about my CPU and see if it has been damaged, I have to ask this question:
with my PC being able to boot into the setup menu of the Gigabyte the first time, does it really mean that my CPU is working and I have done no damage to it?
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22. February 2010 @ 16:11 |
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1. I was in your place once, it's only fair to offer others the help I once relied on.
2. Never heard of it, explain?
3. You don't NEED to install an SSD anywhere, they don't have exposed circuitry like mechanical hard drives, nor do they generate much heat, so you can hide it pretty much anywhere you like. Some cases come with 2.5"->3.5" adapters, but they are rare at the moment. You can, however, buy them separately.
4. "being able to put?" assuming this means being able to boot yes, the CPU has not been damaged during installation.
5. If you have any problems, be sure to post them. However, for advice on overclocking, have a flick through some articles on the web (make sure they are about a similar CPU to yours, AMDs overclock differently to Core 2s, and i5s/i7s overclock a lot differently to Core 2s.
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