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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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1. July 2013 @ 14:35 |
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Burn-in is a natural place with Plasma, it's going to happen. The other issue is life expectancy which is much less then LCD. Still Plasma is better even though it costs more for time use.
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1. July 2013 @ 14:40 |
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Our plasma is six years old :P
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1. July 2013 @ 14:41 |
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what do you mean the "border not moving"?
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1. July 2013 @ 14:50 |
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Yeah it's black levels mainly, but I don't honestly find them bad on modern LCDs.
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1. July 2013 @ 14:52 |
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Most plasma's have a mechanism to eliminate any burn-ins, at least, mine does.
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1. July 2013 @ 15:03 |
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Mine is 6+ years old too and you can tell, like with what Sam pointed out the black levels. Mine still looks great with bright scenes but dark scenes not so very good, it has degraded severely.
sytyguy, Mine does too but I'm sorry it doesn't eliminate burn-in, none of them do. Just like this new Motion 120 nonsense does for controlling motion on LCD's.
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1. July 2013 @ 16:54 |
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I would have to disagree. One can get a 73" DLP for $1600, compared to a Panasonic or Samsung Plasma 65" at $2500-$3300. Plus, I have never seen a comparison of a DLP to top rated Plasma TV's. Of course, it could be that I have never seen those ratings, if they exist.
I have a Samsung 64" Plasma, which was the highest rated TV in 2012.
Plasmas don't impress me in the slightest. I might even go so far as to say I prefer LCDs over them. DLP is just fantastic. This was also a few years ago. AFAIK the retail price of that particular TV was $4000.
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1. July 2013 @ 19:37 |
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I guess you don't like a sharp vibrant screen then as Plasma kicks butt on LCD's, still, however getting beyond the motion issues of my new LCD it would be close to a Plasma. I like DLP for a rear projection TV but I won't buy another rear projection TV as they are not as good and are more bulky, being cheaper isn't always enough.
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2. July 2013 @ 02:54 |
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Modern high-end LCDs are plenty of 'sharp and vibrant' - I have no complaints when comparing them to Plasmas.
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2. July 2013 @ 03:16 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Modern high-end LCDs are plenty of 'sharp and vibrant' - I have no complaints when comparing them to Plasmas.
Indeed. My Dell U2410 is wonderful. As is my JVC 37" LCD HDTV. Zero complaints :D
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2. July 2013 @ 04:14 |
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The UltraSharps are anything but vibrant tbf - with the anti-glare (which I still think I prefer for a desktop environment) and the low contrast, they're not ideal multimedia displays, adequate though they are for that job.
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2. July 2013 @ 08:13 |
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Have seen way to many plasma's after 5 years deteriorate one way or another, a good LCD set in my case anyway far outways them, I have two sets one will almost be 8 years old I once mentioned before it's on almost 24/7 not the slightest loss of anything, than again we all have our preferences.
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2. July 2013 @ 08:17 |
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As I say, to me Plasma seems the more rudimentary technology - I think it's older (in terms of HDTV usage), it's cheaper and faster, but has to be looked after more carefully, and longevity is as you say perhaps more questionable.
To me, the cheaper price isn't worth the other downsides - I like not having to worry about having accidentally left a static image on the screen for hours and burning it in after having had it in HDTV mode on the desktop or something. It's not something people should have to worry about any more.
I do look forward to when OLED (actual LED TVs, not the falsely advertised LED backlit LCD TVs we have now) becomes mainstream, but for the time being they do have longevity problems.
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2. July 2013 @ 11:15 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Have seen way to many plasma's after 5 years deteriorate one way or another, a good LCD set in my case anyway far outways them, I have two sets one will almost be 8 years old I once mentioned before it's on almost 24/7 not the slightest loss of anything, than again we all have our preferences.
That is exactly why I went with a LCD this time around, but I wouldn't say my excellent LCD is way sharper then my old Plasma. I've put them side-by-side and the Plasma is still better for color/sharpness, then my brand new 120 LCD.
The fact that the LCD will last much longer and is much lighter definitely out ways the Plasma even with the motion issues, which does drive me crazy from time-to-time.
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2. July 2013 @ 11:18 |
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Motion issues?
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2. July 2013 @ 11:54 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by FredBun:
Have seen way to many plasma's after 5 years deteriorate one way or another, a good LCD set in my case anyway far outways them, I have two sets one will almost be 8 years old I once mentioned before it's on almost 24/7 not the slightest loss of anything, than again we all have our preferences.
That is exactly why I went with a LCD this time around, but I wouldn't say my excellent LCD is way sharper then my old Plasma. I've put them side-by-side and the Plasma is still better for color/sharpness, then my brand new 120 LCD.
The fact that the LCD will last much longer and is much lighter definitely out ways the Plasma even with the motion issues, which does drive me crazy from time-to-time.
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LOL, I hear you Steve, yes most what you said is true, I got to giggle a little after reading Sammy's what motion issues, I am a perfectionist when it comes to picture quality, and no I am not saying Sammy is not, when 120 came out is when I finally made my first purchase for a flat screen which of course was around 8 years ago, I use to visit stores like circuit city and best buy and the new LCD's made me feel like I was out to sea cause I do get sea sick, than the 120's came out and finally I was able to watch it, as you say not perfect but watchable, the 240 to me I still see no difference between the 120.
When Sammy says what motion issues most people I know even the 60hrz doesn't bother them, I'm one of the more unfortunate one's that spots every detail almost which of course has it's advantages and dis-advatages and it's the latter in this case which sucks, so many times I will visit family members or friends e.g. most have comcast & verizon, and it kills when when they pay for HD but watch e.g. abc on a non HD channel, every time I go there I have to pick up their remote and change it, and I scream don't you people see the difference, to me non HD channels are not just inferior thier actually blurry, and they say yeah we see the difference but it doesn't bother us, lol, I just want to punch a wall, and this is not some, a lot of people are this way, so what the hell maybe I'm the goofy one.
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2. July 2013 @ 11:59 |
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Low frame rate annoys me as much as the next man - unfortunately, I've not found any of the 'motion smoothing' technologies to work off PC inputs. Perhaps they work with bluray players and the likes? I attribute it to the fact that the refresh rate signal coming to the TV is different to that of the media playing. I did see some remarkably clear images coming off a bluray in a shop once, so it can be done, but I've never been able to pull it off (tested with a 2009 100Hz Toshiba Regza, which I since had to sell :/)
As soon as LCD and Plasma TVs replaced CRTs we got horrid blurring on SD images, some TVs are a lot better at dealing with them than others. It's really a question of having a native multiple of the image (e.g. exactly the right resolution, or exactly half) - this is why at 2560x1600 on my display, 1920x1080 doesn't look hugely better than 1280x720, because the 1920x1080 is trying to be interpolated to 1.333 pixels enlargement, whereas 1280x720 - simply every pixel becomes a 2x2 square of the same colour.
As the saying goes 'once you go xxx, you never go back'. This is one of the good things about me having stayed out of 120Hz for gaming. I know once I start playing games at 120Hz refresh rate I'll hate 60Hz, and as of the moment, you can't buy higher resolution monitors than 1080p for 120Hz!
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2. July 2013 @ 12:18 |
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Well, "Adequate" as you say, is wonderful for me. And if I'm not mistaken, the Dell U2410 uses less watts to run than my 37" HDTV. I watch Blu-Ray on it often. Black levels aren't quite what they are on the JVC, or Panasonic Plasma, but it does a pretty good job. And TMT5 does have some tweaks for adjusting video settings when needed.
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2. July 2013 @ 12:29 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Low frame rate annoys me as much as the next man - unfortunately, I've not found any of the 'motion smoothing' technologies to work off PC inputs. Perhaps they work with bluray players and the likes? I attribute it to the fact that the refresh rate signal coming to the TV is different to that of the media playing. I did see some remarkably clear images coming off a bluray in a shop once, so it can be done, but I've never been able to pull it off (tested with a 2009 100Hz Toshiba Regza, which I since had to sell :/)
As soon as LCD and Plasma TVs replaced CRTs we got horrid blurring on SD images, some TVs are a lot better at dealing with them than others. It's really a question of having a native multiple of the image (e.g. exactly the right resolution, or exactly half) - this is why at 2560x1600 on my display, 1920x1080 doesn't look hugely better than 1280x720, because the 1920x1080 is trying to be interpolated to 1.333 pixels enlargement, whereas 1280x720 - simply every pixel becomes a 2x2 square of the same colour.
As the saying goes 'once you go xxx, you never go back'. This is one of the good things about me having stayed out of 120Hz for gaming. I know once I start playing games at 120Hz refresh rate I'll hate 60Hz, and as of the moment, you can't buy higher resolution monitors than 1080p for 120Hz!
You got me on the PC info displays Sammy, that stuff is all new to me but still a good read, I need to learn a lot more soon, I have neighbors always asking me about the newer smart and wifi TV's etc. I have never experienced one and still can't give advise, I read those sets can be difficult to set up to most novices I don't know have not tried it yet, what does interest me and one of my good friends I told him about the docking stations you guys talked about ages ago here, stick a HDD that can hook up to one of these smart TV's without using disc's, that's an advantage when your the sole watcher of one TV, to me with 5 TV's in the house and my kids watching TV's all over the place I still need disc's but the docking stations still interest me.
Than you have the streaming, I have seen some and the quality was not there to me, it was almost like watching a VCR tape, that was a while back maybe it's better know I don't know, the newer set we bought a 46 Sony is a smart TV just have not had the time to mess with all the new gadgets, the Internet and wifi thing does not interest me not yet anyway, but I know if I want to hook up a docking station it does have the PC input and all the other inputs I'm interested in.
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2. July 2013 @ 12:56 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Originally posted by sammorris:
Low frame rate annoys me as much as the next man - unfortunately, I've not found any of the 'motion smoothing' technologies to work off PC inputs. Perhaps they work with bluray players and the likes? I attribute it to the fact that the refresh rate signal coming to the TV is different to that of the media playing. I did see some remarkably clear images coming off a bluray in a shop once, so it can be done, but I've never been able to pull it off (tested with a 2009 100Hz Toshiba Regza, which I since had to sell :/)
As soon as LCD and Plasma TVs replaced CRTs we got horrid blurring on SD images, some TVs are a lot better at dealing with them than others. It's really a question of having a native multiple of the image (e.g. exactly the right resolution, or exactly half) - this is why at 2560x1600 on my display, 1920x1080 doesn't look hugely better than 1280x720, because the 1920x1080 is trying to be interpolated to 1.333 pixels enlargement, whereas 1280x720 - simply every pixel becomes a 2x2 square of the same colour.
As the saying goes 'once you go xxx, you never go back'. This is one of the good things about me having stayed out of 120Hz for gaming. I know once I start playing games at 120Hz refresh rate I'll hate 60Hz, and as of the moment, you can't buy higher resolution monitors than 1080p for 120Hz!
Than you have the streaming, I have seen some and the quality was not there to me, it was almost like watching a VCR tape, that was a while back maybe it's better know I don't know, the newer set we bought a 46 Sony is a smart TV just have not had the time to mess with all the new gadgets, the Internet and wifi thing does not interest me not yet anyway, but I know if I want to hook up a docking station it does have the PC input and all the other inputs I'm interested in.
That certainly can be true and depends on how much the source was compressed, your bandwidth available, and what soft-player your might be using.
Recently I streamed from my laptop via a WiFi connection using Netflix and a 1080p movie and it worked very well. I did have a HDMI connection from my laptop to the Sony 56in HDTV and could play the movie on the TV while surfing the web on my laptop's display.
Now if you download DivX movies from the web it is a different story because the quality of the movie rip can be extremely poor and would look like a VCR tape.
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2. July 2013 @ 12:58 |
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Guys here is an interesting article, almost looks like a winner, and I love how the speakers are placed, they finally are going back to having speakers up front like it should be, my older 40 Sony xbr came that way, the 40 is wider than the new 46 I bought because of the side speakers, the sound is so good I hardly ever need to turn on the amp and use the surrounding speakers, anyway I would be afraid to ask how much this new puppy cost's.
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2. July 2013 @ 13:23 |
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Still quite happy with my cheapy Coby 39" LCD. Image quality comparable to anything else in the store at the time. Have yet to see a plasma that impresses me though I'm sure they exist. DLP is just lovely though. Maybe a matter of taste.
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2. July 2013 @ 15:39 |
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The most impressive (in terms of vibrance and clarity) LCDs I've seen I think are probably these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889354349
The small versions seem to be just as good. 60" imo is where size gets a bit wasteful as 1080p just isn't high-res enough to be of any benefit.
Meanwhile in the PC desktop scene, Asus are releasing their 'first consumer-oriented' genuine 60Hz 4K PC monitor (32") with displayport later this month, for a pretty reasonable MSRP of $3500. If it were any other manufacturer, I'd start saving, but even though the panel behind is Sharp, I think I'd plump extra for trying to import the $4500 Sharp model that's already out there in very limited numbers. By the time I've saved enough, I imagine more brands will probably have arrived at lower prices :P Anything that costs more than a month's salary after bills are paid probably deserves serious consideration!
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2. July 2013 @ 15:51 |
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That's certainly a pricey piece of tech. I would bide my time and wait until the quality models are established. Personally never had a problem with my ASUS display. Not even a minor glitch. I believe the panel in it is a Samsung or Viewsonic.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052
The speakers are internal so the size of it is not increased or exaggerated by them. Zero dead pixels too. The ASCR which supposedly gives it 20,000:1 contrast is a joke though. Screws up the black levels and makes it unsuitable for most things. Games are WAY too dark. The default settings on 1000:1 contrast look very vibrant and crisp. I add only a single notch of sharpness for personal taste as it somewhat remedies the small pixel density. Very subtle but lovely improvement, and these monitors should come with the sharpness up that small hair by default.
The 1000:1 contrast ratio on the ASUS is the same as on my 2407WFP. The response time of 5ms is better than the 2407's 6ms though honestly I have yet to see either monitor ghost even in the fastest paced games. The ASUS I would say has slightly warmer colors than the Dell but there is no contest in sharpness and clarity.
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2. July 2013 @ 16:06 |
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Yeah I never saw ghosting on my 11ms 3007WFP either, even though reviewers claimed they could see it - I think only having a 14ms black-white time helps (as even 6ms G2G monitors are often 16ms B2W).
Having now worked in the industry for a bit I'd solidly place Viewsonic rock bottom of the 'reputable' brands for monitor reliability, there's about a 75% failure rate of their PSUs after about 4 years.
This said, the PSU (or a component in it) also failed in my 3008WFP after 4 years. Given its worth, it was repaired (at moderate difficulty, but minimal cost) since the problem is so common there is page after page of detailed info on the fix. This said, afterwards so far so good, and it's shortly going to turn 5. Kind of lost without it really, as there still isn't anything decent to replace it until 4K monitors come to the fore. Subsequent generations of the 30" Ultrasharp only seem to have made it worse. From an engineering perspective the 3007 was by far the best, the 3008 was worth having for actually having a scaler, but added considerable input lag, a fair bit of slowness, a few bugs [DVI signal reception requires a rising edge with the connector already attached, so if you turn the PC on too long before the monitor, you will never get a picture unless you wait for the powersave to come on, assuming you still have it enabled!], and of course, the highest power draw of any PC monitor of around 180W at full brightness [which will also overheat the inverters and power off the display after 5-10 mins - max you can do is 50% brightness at about 130W, but seriously, more than 50% burns your eyes anyway!]. That said, it's a 2560x1600 monitor with an excellent panel and eight inputs, including pretty much everything except SCART (which is a european standard anyway) and RF (which would need a tuner). Composite, Component, it's all there - the only thing it can't do is passthrough audio from analog RCAs, it'll only do that with HDMI. Regretfully though, the scaler being a bit old and basic, the input lag's pretty high, yet they haven't improved it with the newly released U3014...
From reading reviews, the U3014 seems to have just as many bugs if not more, and fewer inputs. The panel hasn't really improved either it seems. It seems like the panels to have nowadays are the 27" 2560x1440s for less than half the price.
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