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DVDs to my Archos AV480
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1. December 2004 @ 04:03 |
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hmmm.... does anybody know the difference if any apart from the price, between the Macrovision DVD video decoder and che Macrovision DVD video decoder V2??
I need it to remove protection from my DVDs and back them up on my Archos AV400
Anyone knows?
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Aznxmel
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7. December 2004 @ 13:39 |
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Here is the problem
If im going to pay 700 in change for this player then i want to know is it easy enought to convert movies with the software provide. i here using dvd this and pther programs. doenst Archos provide you with a program? Is using DVD Shrink and other programs going to help move the process? also i have Anime Files (Japanese Animation) with Subtitles that are Divix, Xvid. Can i Transfer these files to the player via usb port or firewire port? If anyone has anime files can you read the subtitling on them. Will this player work on Ogg files. Please help me out and let me know if this Archos player is a good investment or not. Thanks
Aznxmel
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geshtasp
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8. December 2004 @ 11:52 |
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Aznxmel,
Welcome to our forum. I own an AV480 with 80G HD. I have moved all types of movies into it. Do not use the software supplied by Archos because it is a crap!Here is answer to all your questions:
= DVD to Archos
You need DVD Decrypter and AutoGK (www.doom9.net)
- Rip your DVD to IFO format (use dvddecrypter)
+ Set it to read your video files IFO (Convert DVD
to IFO using the DVD Drycpter (doom9.net))
+ Set the Output to the desired location
Start AUTOGK
+ Set the input file (under Video_TS generated by the DVD Decrypter)
+ Set the output file by naming it, put it above VIDEO_TS directory so you can find the encoded DIVx files later
+ Set it for DIVx Encode
+ 2CD mode
+ Set your screen no larger than 480
+ Press "Advance Mode", Set Audio to 128 and CBR
+ Add File
+ Start Conversion
It will generate 3 AVI files and put them in the directory you have targeted (pay attention to output file location in the AutoGK Setup screen)
This takes 4-6 hours for a 2 hour movie
- Turn On your Archos
- Connect USB Cable (Archos indicates that USB is connected)
- In PC (check under "My Computer") and locate JunkBox HD
- Open The Junkbox, drag and drop files into Video Folder.
- Disconnect USB and allow Archos to process the new files (20 Sec).
It is that simple. Archos acts like an external HD when connected to your PC/MAC
= DVD Shrink is for writing a DVD-9 (9G Movie) into a DVD5 (4.8G Movie) by reducing the bitrate of the MPEG-2. The PVPs such as Archos use DIVx which is a different format and it is subset of MPEG-4.
Therefore the DVD Shrink can not convert your DVD to DIVx. AutoGK does.
SIDE NOTE: for DVD shrinking DVD Rebuilder is a better tool since unlike all other programs it actually re-encodes the MPEG-2 files. But again it can not be used for Archos.
= Animated files need Java and some other application to run, Archos at this time does not support JAVA. Its OS is a subset of Linux.
= Ogg Video can not be played back in Archos, Use Ogg Video Conversion tools (Free Share, google search) to convert into AVI or DIVx
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shiroh
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8. December 2004 @ 12:38 |
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also i have Anime Files (Japanese Animation) with Subtitles that are Divx, Xvid. Can i Transfer these files to the player via usb port or firewire port?
i think so
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geshtasp
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8. December 2004 @ 14:40 |
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shiroh,
You are right. If the files are in DIVx, you can transfer them, but you have make sure the following:
- Sound files are CBR not VBR
- MP3 128Kb or slower are used
Archos can not play XVID, MOV (Apple QuickTime) or WMV-9/10 (VC-1, Windows media player)
The above files need to be transcoded into DIVx which is a pain if you do not have expensive software transcoders.
shiroh, do you know of any free transcoders?
When using AUTOGK, you can ask it to insert the subtitles, but they are not highly readable in Archos.
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Aznxmel
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8. December 2004 @ 17:35 |
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Does anyone know where to get it for a really good price. the cheapest got was 650.00 or should i consider the 420
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Aznxmel
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8. December 2004 @ 18:35 |
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Really no Xvid? it said on Cnet and Newegg that it supports Both Dvix and Xvid
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shiroh
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8. December 2004 @ 21:45 |
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really ?
no xvid ?
i thought the player is supossed to be mpeg4 compliant. meaning if you encode it accordingly, it will play, no matter if its dvix, xvid, 3ivx or so.
could anyone confirm this.
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The above files need to be transcoded into DIVx which is a pain if you do not have expensive software transcoders.
true, but its not that bad.
expensive transcoder? you've been had, unless you're looking for something like dvdshrink for mpeg4, which i've read on doom9 forum and none are in the making, at least in opensource society and at least a few months ago.
this is because reencoding mpeg4 is not a really good idea, in terms of quality.
whatever you do don't buy those software that claims to do so.
anyway all you need is virtualdub, i heard its bundled with archos, the latest divx, ver 5.2.2 i think.
if xvid is playable i would suggest using this. latest stable version is 1.0.2
Divx is free to use, the free trial is for 6 months. and the dev said they are not planning for a version to be more than 6 months. its all in the politic, those business people needs money to be involve in everything.
try encode something with xvid and use the default setting, it may have someting to do with the setting. or the review i've read is misinforming people.
about ogg video. you can use virtualdubmod, google for it. use direct stream copy.
you will need an audio converter such as dbpoweramp, as the audio proably in vorbis. (why would it use anything else)
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a quick google search of the av480
http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?products_id=316&display=specification&usersessid=95c911f0afcc889528b17ba24bd082f3
the specs says mpeg4, so i presume mpeg4 compliant, so xvid, yes. and it also says vbr mp3 ?
hmm i need a full detail manual
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geshtasp
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9. December 2004 @ 08:51 |
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shiroh and Aznxmel,
I agree with Shiroh that it is stated in some reports that this unit decodes and encodec DIVx and XVID. I have the unit and I have tried the XVID, WVM-9 with no luck. True there are versions of MPEG-4 H.263, but they are a subset, I and P frames are vastly different in all subsets of the MPEG-4. MPEG-4 is a bit of wild west for video compersion. Transcoding is not a bad idea if the source video is using some form of Motion Estimation and Qpel. I have used River Past's Video Cleaner for converting XVID to DIVx. It is OK.
VirtualDub can be used to do many thing including convert the Video Stream into raw AVI, but it is useless for direct video transcode.
Aznxmel, If you do want to deal with the different Video Formats and Video would be primary use of the device. Look at the following:
http://www.mobinote.net/na/product_dvxpod_eng.asp#
This device can be bought for $499. It supports all the Video formats related to MPEG-4 H.263 even in the ASP form (ASP, Advance Simple Profile, This version uses the Motion Estimation 1/4PEL for fast action scenes) which include DIVx, XVID, WVM9 and even QuickTime.
Be warned that this unit is from a newcomer, unknow quality, 20G and it is a big unit. Archos suffers from poor customer relationship but it is a company that has been there and at least for a while you might xepect them to improve their product through futhur OS and supported format releases
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Aznxmel
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9. December 2004 @ 10:47 |
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Thanks for your help geshtasp i will stick with the Archos.
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shiroh
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9. December 2004 @ 14:00 |
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True there are versions of MPEG-4 H.263, but they are a subset, I and P frames are vastly different in all subsets of the MPEG-4
so the player should only claim itself to play divx only ?
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VirtualDub can be used to do many thing including convert the Video Stream into raw AVI, but it is useless for direct video transcode.
yes it actually look at the video as a keyframe and encode. so its not a really good transcode.
i'm not sure how riverpast works...
like you said qpel and motion estimation ?
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geshtasp
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9. December 2004 @ 15:09 |
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shiroh,
I agree with you that it needs to play different video formats, for that it needs the appropriate software codec. Software codecs specially decoder might be able to run effeciently on a PC, but for a mobile device that runs on Application processors and some type of QuadMac DSPs. They need to tailor the software to take advantage of the hardware's features, so a lots of the function are like DCT and IDCT and so on are preformed by the Hardware.
Transcoding on the mobile device are also done by the hardware under the software control.
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shiroh
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14. December 2004 @ 05:57 |
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just read a review in a magazine for av420.
it says divx (simple profile) and xvid. so i would suggest to try encode xvid with divx simple profile guideline.
and the reviewer took a screenshot of the player with anime keep's breath of...something
i'm not sure, but most from the fansub group uses xvid.
and from the picture, the subtitle seems readible.
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geshtasp
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14. December 2004 @ 12:27 |
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shiroh,
You are absolutely right. I am going to convert one DVD to Xvid SP (Known as one pass encoding!).
I am hoping that it will work since Archos told me today that Xvid 1.0 codec is supported.
By the way, I have no trouble playing my DIVx in ASP mode in my Archos.
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geshtasp
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15. December 2004 @ 09:28 |
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shiroh,
You were right, I encoded a movie file in Xvid with SP and ASP. My Archos is now playing the movie.
I checked some of my older Xvid files, it seems that I encoded them using a earlier version of Beta Xvid.
I also used VideoInspector to check the I Frame to make sure that setting is for the Xvid. It is, but there are anomolies in my P Frame which does not appear in the new encoded movie.
Conclusion:
Shiroh is right and I was wrong. Archos can play Xvid and Divx in SP and ASP mode. I like to thank Shiroh for his insistance.
Cheers,
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Aznxmel
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15. December 2004 @ 10:26 |
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Thanks shiroh, i just orderd mine and will be going through this forum for now and see if i can change a Naruto file. and some rips
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mesiodens
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15. December 2004 @ 16:56 |
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This sight is great...i've read it all...thanks.
I do have a question though...which is better
Xvid or Dvix? If so why?
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geshtasp
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15. December 2004 @ 20:48 |
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mesiodens,
Welcome to our forum. I personally like Divx better than Xvid. The Divx has a better Motion Estimation engine, this is an important factor when you watch anything with action. For Archos, it does not matter at all.
Both codecs are freely available.
For test, I have encoded same movies (Star Wars II). You can see the difference on my HDTV. You get artifacts in many fast frames, despite the fact, they are both encoded at 1.5Mb rate.
You can find great amount of varing results on the web.
This is my take on Xvid Vs Divx
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shiroh
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17. December 2004 @ 03:06 |
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glad to see its working
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will be going through this forum for now and see if i can change a Naruto file
but first, try just copying it directly and see if it works.
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I do have a question though...which is better
Xvid or Dvix? If so why?
this is rather subjective. it is a matter of preference. it seems i like xvid better for its wide area of customization. currently i'm using 1.1 alpha.
you can find the build at http://www.koepi.org/
and i think its good enough to be used as a backup tool.
you should test both and see which one you like.
lastly, great video is far more from the codec. try treating the video with sharpening. denoising to make it more compressible. but there is not much you can do if the video is already crap. i'm talking about treating original released dvd.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=1e9355bc81562e6b1004387b05ec5aeb&threadid=84196&highlight=limited+sharpen
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shoook
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18. December 2004 @ 17:42 |
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Okay I'm new to all this and I just bought my AV420. I would like to understand exactly, step-by-step how to get the standard avi divx/xvid movies onto the AV420. I've seen all the posts, but for a noob like myself it is very confusing. Also I've heard there is a patch for Windows iTunes which makes it compatible with the Archos, making iTunes think the AV400 is an iPod, does anyone know anything about this? Thank you for all your help.
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DaveO1959
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23. December 2004 @ 16:24 |
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I would like to ask why these two settings:
+ 2CD mode
+ Set your screen no larger than 480
Given the 2 gig limit on Fat32 that Archos uses why not use that rather than 2cd mode.
And for the screen, why not 640?
Dave
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woteva
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25. December 2004 @ 02:50 |
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I have read through all the previous posts in search for an answer to my question, but unfortunately no luck.
You have discussed how to get an original DVD onto the Archos, but (I know i shouldn't of) how do you get a downloaded movie onto the Archos ( Mine's a 420)
I downloaded a movie and when it finished I saw that it was a divx.AVI . How would i get my movie on my Archos av420 so it works perfectly.
Please post a detailed reply of the steps including what programs i need ( preferably free!! )
Please, Please, PLEEAASE! answer my question. I know downloading is wrong but i just want to get one movie working!!
I would be Eternally grateful, Thanks!
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26. December 2004 @ 02:15 |
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geshtasp
I tried using the DVD Decrypter, but it splits my DVD up into 8 parts. Is there anyway to stop this?
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raz_1234
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26. December 2004 @ 09:38 |
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Hi All,
I have the AV480 for some time now, and figured out how to use it very well. Also no problems ripping DVD's to it (I use DrDivx or AutoGK).
However I keep running into one issue, when i download a movie off the internet it plays great on my computer (be it divx or xdiv, most are xdiv), but has an audio sync issue which i was not able to resolve (without re-encoding, which sucks - reduce quality of video) when playing on the AV480.
If I extract the audio to a wav file, and then mux it to the AVI WITHOUT COMPRESSION (i.e. PCM), it plays fine!!!! however, using any compression (even very low rate CBR MP3) keeps introducing the sync problem. (I used vdub or nundub for that).
Does anyone have the same issues? Does movies you get off the net work on your Archos?
thanks
Raz
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woteva
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26. December 2004 @ 11:09 |
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Raz, how did you actually get the downloaded movie to play on the Archos? ( Explain both Divx and Xvid, please! ) I don't mind about the audio sync. yet, i just want it to play!!
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