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23. February 2005 @ 14:23 |
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Rip guard will be cracked just as all the other programs have been. The prices of DVDs are not high enough to support extra license costs by the mfg.
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Grampaw
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23. February 2005 @ 19:27 |
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I was looking at the site Scalper66 references. This gives Macrovision's somewhat vague and wordy explanation of how RipGuard works - doesn't say much about how it actually works.
The site also has a most interesting flowchart that shows where RipGuard can be applied in the DVD architecture. RipGuard is obviously just an elaborate Stucture Protection System, probably like ARccOS or the like, only more complicated.
RipGurad has absolutely nothing to do with the Content Scrambling System (CSS), as Macrovision seems to imply. One can't mess with CSS anyway because of all the hardwares' firmware already being used.
This means that RipGuard can be circumvented - might take some clever coding to do it efficiently (i.e. not take all day to rip). Since RipGurad has such publicity, someone will take it on as a challenge just to see if he/she can be the first...
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24. February 2005 @ 05:05 |
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You are correct Grampaw, the new encryptions came out and in just a few weeks they no longer really present a problem anymore except to those that don't know about it.
As you said there is someone probably just waiting for this ripguard system to show up so they can crack it. There is no sense in starting to worry about it now. We can just wait and see what happens if it does show up.
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24. February 2005 @ 18:23 |
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My two cents....
If the disc can be read, it can be ripped. Simple as that. It may slow down the amateurs but for the guys who know how to code and work around these things, it's only a question of when, not if, this will be broken.
We are the Borg...
Resistance is futile....
DVD's will be assimilated...
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rhino351
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25. February 2005 @ 04:10 |
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like everybody else says i dont think it will be a problem. but if they ever do make a dvd that cant be copyied (which wont happen) i will just resort to the trusty capture card.
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madgreek
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26. February 2005 @ 09:16 |
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I would not worry about any new things to try and stop us from backing up dvd's or copying them. In the end...companies spend millions to create these things. Then they send them out to the public... thousands of people work indepently behind the scenes sharing info... and its cracked. The new arcos sony encryption was broken in what? A week??? They spend a lot of money on that too... how sad
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marleyboy
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26. February 2005 @ 10:00 |
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I remember back in the bygone days of VHS, encryptions were inserted onto movies, that detected whether or not another source was in operation, of course it relied more on the VCR system to tell it.
THis was easily solved by using an older "keyboard style" VCR, which didnt have such ways of conflicting.
The excuse used in those days for "pirated movies" was, and rightfully so, poor quality of picture and sound.
Nowadays, since the dawn of Digital, movie quality remains just as good as the original format. And anything produced Digitally, can easily be re-produced. even with encryptions, the original digital format still lies there so your own DVD devices are able to recognise and play the movie.
Think about Software, they have been encrypting and protecting those for Years, constantly updating and re-securing any flaws that enable a copy. But within a few days theres always a "patch" or "crack" that can deal with these gremlins.
If Billion Dollar BIll Gates can't protect his Microsoft products, what chance does any "read only" DVD have?
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26. February 2005 @ 10:05 |
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'nough said already!
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26. February 2005 @ 16:33 |
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The reason why Hollywood can'd encrypt DVD's enough from them being copied is that they started with weak encryption in the first place. If they tried to incorporate deep encryption now it would prevent all the millions of home DVD players from playing them. The new HD DVD's will be difficult to crack but as long as there's we have expert crackers like the one from Norway it will be cracked.
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Grampaw
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28. February 2005 @ 12:25 |
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And who can we thank for the weak encryption system? None other than the US Government. Hollywood had to follow the US Federal export controls when designing the CSS system, which automatically means weak encryption. Then some anonymous person posted the CSS algorithm, which made it almost trivial for a seasoned code-breaker (who apparently could cared less about watching DVDs) to write the DeCSS routine that identified the encryption keys. The DeCSS code then got optimized for speed and released to the world by that teenager... Rest is history.
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28. February 2005 @ 19:56 |
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i say lets enjoy what weve got.like was already said there are thuosands of movies to enjoy.eventually they probably will come out with somthing.just ask all of those sat card guys in jail that said no one could write a script that couldnt be broken. i say when that happens we all sell these big tvs,dvdplayers and stereos and buy a boat and move to the beach.fish all day and drink cold beer all night. can i get a hell yeah?
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28. February 2005 @ 21:37 |
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well i do already live on a boat. not quite on the beach, but do have nice views, nice girls and a pub next door. Oh and have shedloads of films. Ya can keep ya fishing tho :). bliss.
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mkiner
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15. March 2005 @ 02:22 |
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Has anyone been able to rip a "ripgard" encoded dvd?
Press releases say thwarts 97%, so what are the 3% that beat it?
I have searched this forum and have found nothing on this.
MwinK
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15. March 2005 @ 02:27 |
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my understanding is it's not 'out there' yet. sshhh keep quiet maybe it'll roll on by us :) :)
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marleyboy
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15. March 2005 @ 09:59 |
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I havent as yet come across Ripgard, ive heard little about it, but rest assured itll soon crack ;)
I have heard it rumoured that some movies, diliberatley have Virus's installed within the format.
harmless if you put the dvd into a dvd player, but try to open it in a pc, itll try to infect it.
Luckily for most of us, a good virus illiminator, should secure the system from infection.
Wether or not such a dvd exists, I personally have not yet come across one, so its possible it could be BULL.
But I can see how such an idea, could act as a deterrant for the majority of us.
There is one I am aware of that lets you think the movie is cracked and proceeds to burn the back up, but fails half way through, leaving you with yet another coaster.
A costly one which ultimately does lead you to think twice about it.
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15. March 2005 @ 11:43 |
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no , it won't be anything like a virus or anything untoward. however cd protections have been known to f**k with pc CD players, can't remember if that was intentional or just inadequate protections from inadequate protection creators. The writers of software such as shrink, decryptor etc etc will just incorporate ways around it, lets face it they have 6 trillion users like you and me who will help 'em out :)
And let's be honest, no-one out there needs to put viruses into products as there's no point, Microsoft doesn't need any help in that regards, it's the leader in the field, they've turned it into an artform.
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wild77
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15. March 2005 @ 11:50 |
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There is one I am aware of that lets you think the movie is cracked and proceeds to burn the back up, but fails half way through, leaving you with yet another coaster.
What movie would this be?
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mkiner
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15. March 2005 @ 12:48 |
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The reason I have wondered if it was out yet is I am having trouble backing up newer DVD's and have not had trouble in the past.
In all cases the DVD's of issue were Macrovision protection.
FYI I typically use DVD Shrink but tried dvd cloner II and DVD Decrypter and neither one would read the file.
MwinK
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wild77
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15. March 2005 @ 14:05 |
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What movies are you having trouble with?
DVD Decrypter or AnyDVD should be able to handle the newer movies with the new Sony Arrcoss protection
There are a couple of problem discs out there mostly region2
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mkiner
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15. March 2005 @ 16:04 |
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The most recent was The Forgotten.
I suppose it could have been just a bad spot on the disk.
MwinK
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wild77
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15. March 2005 @ 16:22 |
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The Forgotten has Sony's Arrcoss protection,you can use the newest version of Decrypter or you can try AnyDVD it has a 21 day trial.
Here is a list of some of the problem movies for Decrypter,you will need to use a PSL File with these
'The Forgotten' - Region 2 (Dutch)
'The Forgotten' - Region 2 (German)
'The Forgotten' - Region 2 (Spanish)
'The Notebook' - Region 2 (UK)
'Little Black Book' - Region 2 (UK)
'She Hates Me' - Region 2 (UK)
'LAYER CAKE' - Region 2 (UK)
This is a link to The Forgotten thread at the Decrypter forums it's quite long but should answer all your questions.
http://forum.dvddecrypter.com/index.php?showtopic=16837&hl=The+Forgotten
You could also do a search here,there are a number of threads on this movie.
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scalper66
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17. March 2005 @ 13:09 |
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today when i was backing up a copy of my little brothers movie little bear by alliance atlantis i noticed at the begging of the movie there is a part of the movie saying MARCROVISION QUILITY PROTECTION? are they the ones who put the regular protection on right now to because shrink ripped it no probs what quitly protection do they have on the disk then?
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21. March 2005 @ 06:47 |
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I think Layer Cake is using RipGaurd and so is The New Resident Evil Film.
This new protection is supposed to give out Error messages to make the software
Think that there is an Error with the disk such as Cycle Redundancy Check etc.
If you use DVD Rescue to fix so called errors such as RipGuard then you
Have successfully broken RipGaurd with old Software written in 2003.
Regards JSK
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Omegand
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21. March 2005 @ 06:52 |
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Lets see how Decrypter and Shrink handle this.
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21. March 2005 @ 07:42 |
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DVDRESCUE - layer cake, res evil etc are NOT ripguard, theyre 'arccos' and all the guys here know how to get shot of it, well work around it, read some posts on how
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