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How to add CSS encryption, region code, etc to your personal dvd-r's.
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StanTek
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23. May 2005 @ 14:59 |
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I might be a newbie to this site but not when it comes to video enhancement, conversion to different formats, etc. My problem is that I make and sell personal videos to my clients in dvd format (vob files). I need to know how to encrypt my dvd's. I know that dvd decrypter and other programs can remove the region code and css encryption. But these BOOTLEGGERS out here doesn't know how to use them. Well, at least in my area they don't. All they know how to do is get my dvd and just copy it. I need help! This is really hurting my business. Is there a program out here I can use to solve this problem. There are plenty of programs that can decrypt a dvd; but none out there that I can find that can add css encryption, region code, macrovision, etc to a burned dvd-r. PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP ME!
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thienhat
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23. May 2005 @ 15:19 |
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wow...tough question...I don't think there is program can do that..Unless from production company...
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23. May 2005 @ 16:48 |
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CSS and Macrovision both require that you buy licenses to use them. I believe you also have to have authoring software that supports it (ie very expensive). I know Scenarist supports CSS and I would imagine it also supports region coding and macrovision. And of course all this can be yours for about $20,000 (plus whatever the CSS and Macrovision licenses cost you).
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colw
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24. May 2005 @ 03:39 |
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Try the MPIA or RIAA they may be able to give you some clues - they've been trying for years - don't be so anal.
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StanTek
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24. May 2005 @ 21:28 |
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Anal? I'm not being anal. I'm just trying to find a software program that will burn css encryption on a dvd-r. What's so anal about that?
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RussReef
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24. May 2005 @ 23:07 |
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Okay... I've been thinking about this problem, and here's what I'd do... Or, at least it's worth trying to make a test disc as I suggest below to see if it works:
Put to put two identical copies of your movie (back-to-back) onto a single blank DVD-R. The first movie would be in the inner portion of the disk [which we will keep as readable], the second movie will (by default) be on the outer portion of the disk [which we will deface and make unreadable]. Our goal then is to only deface the deface the outer portion of the disk to make the second copy of your movie unreadable. [Take a black marker, and draw a straight line from the outer edge of the disc towards the middle of the disc (like the radius of a circle)... Just be sure to do it on the underside of the disc, where the laser reads... Also, be sure to STOP the line before you get to in inner portion of the disc [where the movie that we want to keep working will be]... So, I guess it's really like a half-length radius... Maybe drawn a couple of them all around the outer portion of the disc.
You see, when you stick a DVD into a regular DVD player, it always starts reading data from the inner portion of the disk and spirals outward gradually towards the outer portion/edges of the disk. A regular standalone DVD player will play the inner part just fine, until it gets to the outer part... and that won't matter because the viewer would have already seen the first copy of your whole movie on only the inner part before the laser even gets to the seconded (defaced) portion.
HOWEVER, if the user tries to rip the disk with a program like Nero... when Nero gets to the second (outer/defaced) part of the disk it will report a unrecoverable read error, and probably stop the user from going on. [I suspect that will be what happens]
This is just an idea, but it might be worth making a test disk to see if it works.
Better yet, instead of putting two identical copies of the same movie on one disk, just put one copy one... but put a REALLY LONG trailer (all black screen) at the end of it! (Some software might identify the end of the first movie and still let a person copy it... if you add a long "black screen" trailer to the very end (and partially deface just the trailer part) then the software will never be able to detect the end of the first "working-except-for-the-long-trailer" movie .
If your local BOOTLEGGERS are rather "computer stupid" this should generally foil them. I wouldn't fool anyone in this forum, probably... but we're good like that and have practice extracting stuff from pretty damaged/scratched disks.
What do ya'll think of this idea?
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colw
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25. May 2005 @ 03:45 |
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You are being anal. This is a not for profit site largely dedicated to helping people making backup copies of DVDs they have purchased/own.
Your approach is no different from the MIAA or RIAA - you are trying to attempt consumers from making a legitmate backup of a DVD they have purchased.
Your motive is profit - join the MIAA or RIAA - they are experts in the ripoff game.
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25. May 2005 @ 03:58 |
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@colw:
You don't know what you're talking about. Afterdawn is run for profit and a small business owner trying to make a little bit of money is nothing like the MPAA or RIAA. If you have a problem with that - get over it. More to the point, stop bitching about it in this thread.
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colw
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25. May 2005 @ 04:11 |
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@ Verbal
So if we teach/instruct people how to make DVDs that cannot be copied, this is fine?
I'm sure that the MPAA or RIAA would be very interested in these techniques.
Just makes it harder for everyone.
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25. May 2005 @ 04:29 |
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i think vurbal is right. everyone is entitled to try and protect there product. although i think StanTek is beating a dead donkey. i can't believe there is no one in his area who can't use decrypter etc. and beat any system the moment he releases it to the public.(with the help of ad off course)
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25. May 2005 @ 04:33 |
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It's different in the same way that what an artist decides to do with their music is a completely different issue than what the record company decides to do with it. And as StanTek is perfectly aware you can't copy protect a DVD in such a way that it can't be copied. He's just looking for a way to stop the ignorant from doing it, which is already the status quo in DVD technology. Personally I don't think it's a realistic goal, but it doesn't hurt anybody if he tries. Plus I find it to be an interesting intellectual excercise to see what can be done.
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StanTek
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25. May 2005 @ 12:57 |
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Thanks Vurbal for your comments. I don't understand why colw is being so anal about this. Like I said before I know that the dvd will be cracked. I'm just trying to make it harder for the idiots out here. That's all!! What is the big deal! And what's up with this guy talking about going to the MPIA. It's not that serious. I created this tread for information. Not for someone to make bad comments about me. What kind of site is this anyways. You ask a question about how to encrypt your burned video dvd's and you have some people out here that wants to put you down, stereotype and ridicule you. Oh and by the way, these are video dvd's that I have created!!!! These are not copy's of someone else's stuff or dvd copies from original dvd's.
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25. May 2005 @ 14:30 |
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@StanTec.hi don't give up on ad yet it's a great site. if any of the comments appear to be derogatory im sure they where'nt meant to sound that way. colw's statement (don't be so anal) was out of order. but vurbal fought your corner very well. so before this thread becomes a verbal slanging match, lets sit back and have a cuppa.
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carp11
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26. May 2005 @ 14:42 |
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I don't know about encription but there is a program called CD Lock
where you can lock your disks and they can only be opened by a password.I
believe it can be used with any removable media such as DVD's CD's etc.. You could give your customers the password and they could use the disks.
Don't know but this might be one solution.
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carp11
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26. May 2005 @ 15:18 |
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I forgot to add the web address. It is www.magicfolders.com . The CD Lock program is another program in addition to Magic Folders.
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Daemon404
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26. May 2005 @ 15:36 |
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You can nto make a DVD-R taht is CSS encypted. Commercial DVDs are pressed, so the sector that contains CSS keys is on it. You can not burn this sector on a DVD-R as it is already used. It is hypothetically possible on DVD+R dics, if you have soem sort of special firmware hack. And even then, very, very though to do.
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S2K
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27. May 2005 @ 05:37 |
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My brother does wedding videos.
It is actually quite easy to copy protect that will stop 90 to 05% of your customers from making copies. simply add vob's as blanks for the last 1/3 of the disk and pysically scratch the disk (or mark it with marker).
As far as Colw's comments are concerned, really one has to wonder whether this person is a for profit person adn does somethign as malicious as say gettign a paycheck -- for profit!
If you are the kidn of person who rationalized the MPAA as naty big busienss, you are welcome to yoru opinion, BUT many small business like wedding photographers don't do what the MPAA does.
If you hire myborhter you, the customer, have many many choices in how you want to handle ownership.
You can hire him outright essentially as a contractor to film your wedding, opaying his time materials at ful price. at the end of the day you get everything, negatives, raw digital tape, etc AND all the rights.
You ca also pay him to do the video editing and you get it and the rights keep it for a straight up fee
others prefer the option of paying little up front and agreeing to buy copies from my brother, who with those agreements, holds the copyright. they may only want a few photos or etc.
For those people he also has a graduated system on the dvd's with the first copy being the most expensive.
Fact is video eding is extremely labor intensive
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Trom
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27. May 2005 @ 05:54 |
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I hope none of the ppl from MIAA or RIAA frequent AD, they'll be getting ideas. However I'm sure if there was a simple way to protect a DVD from being decrypted with the tools we all know and love they would have already implemented it. I suspect both CSS and Macrovision have cost them in the hundreds of thousands to produce and maintain.
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27. May 2005 @ 06:24 |
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@stanTek:: This came up a few times before from people doing the same thing you do. There are a few stand alone recorders on the market that copy protect everything recorded on them including home videos. I don't know how good the protection is but the one member I was involved with wasn't able to crack the built in protection these machines used. It is called CPRM (Copy Protection For Recordable Media). The recorder in question at that time I think was a LG6821W. You might want to do a Google for CPRM and see what comes up. Hope this helps you. Sorry you got some un-called for comments. Good luck.
Jerry
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carp11
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27. May 2005 @ 17:47 |
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StanTek,
In case you missed my post above you should try this program.
(15 Day full fuctioning). Go to http://www.magicfolders.com. The file names are scrambled and the files are encrypted with Blowfish. The drawback is you would have to use on a computer because of the password.
Again it's called CD Lock
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S2K
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28. May 2005 @ 02:57 |
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Jerry746 (AfterDawn Addict) 27. May 2005 @ 10:24
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@stanTek:: This came up a few times before from people doing the same thing you do. There are a few stand alone recorders on the market that copy protect everything recorded on them including home videos. I don't know how good the protection is but the one member I was involved with wasn't able to crack the built in protection these machines used. It is called CPRM (Copy Protection For Recordable Media). The recorder in question at that time I think was a LG6821W. You might want to do a Google for CPRM and see what comes up.
no. this wont do it, using CPRM with the stand alone requires playback on the same machine which has got to have specific firmware/hardware. really the method you are tlking about is analogous to xbox. xbox could do this because the media only had to be able to playback on in specific hardware. DVDs have to coform to a standard in order to be played back on a wide variety of dvd devices.
Unless the guy is going to provide a specific dvd player to his clients this is not going to work.
Carp11 wrote[Quote] I don't know about encription but there is a program called CD Lock
where you can lock your disks and they can only be opened by a password.I
believe it can be used with any removable media such as DVD's CD's etc.. You could give your customers the password and they could use the disks.
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StanTek,
In case you missed my post above you should try this program.
(15 Day full fuctioning). Go to http://www.magicfolders.com. The file names are scrambled and the files are encrypted with Blowfish. The drawback is you would have to use on a computer because of the password.Again it's called CD Lock
Again this is not going to work.
a) as you alluded, where is the password going to be entered on the clients home dvd player?
b) Even if he/she intends only pc playback you are going to give the client the password so he can read the files. you have just completely defeated any rotection!
Again the best way, and what all small video ip producers like yourself do is the disk section damage method mentioned by msyelf and another earlier poster.
Fact is it works and causes repeat buys 95% of the time. Again I believe this is ethical if you are also giving your clients right to free lifetime replacement should the original media be damaged lost or stolen
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28. May 2005 @ 09:48 |
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Stantek, The way I understand CPRM is that is stops duplicate copies of a disc recorded with it. I don't think it affects playback. I may be wrong on this but I think it works similar to the protection on purchased dvds but not as strong as that encryption. I haven't tried any of this so its just from posts I happened to be involved with. I don't remember there being any problem with playback just when trying to recopy the CPRM disc. Just as with Macrovision and all the rest, if it needed special equipment for playback it would be useless to the everyday consumer.
Jerry
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StanTek
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28. May 2005 @ 11:40 |
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Come on guys. I need to know the name of the program that use CPRM. Give me a link to a website or something. These dvd-r's will be playing in a dvd player not a pc. I just want the lame bootleggers out here to work a little bit harder while trying to copy my stuff. Oh and by the way CD-Lock doesn't work. I'm assuming you all have tested or used the methods or programs that you are suggesting? I can't do anything with a theory. I need facts. That is why I came here. I've exhausted my theories. lol.
StanTek
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carp11
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28. May 2005 @ 17:53 |
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Sorry that CD Lock doesn't help. It does work and I have used it past the trial period and purchased after. Would not have suggested it if it didn't work. Good luck in your search.
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28. May 2005 @ 18:35 |
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There is no program that writes the CPRM, it is just certain models of equipment that do it. That LG 6821W is one of the machines that will copy protect the dvd so it can't be easily copied. Like I said before all my information is second hand. I don't own one of those recorders and don't want to. But if it works as I was told it does, then it would be just what you need. You would make one master copy off the computer for yourself, then all other copies with the stand alone which if I'm correct would all be hard to re-copy. This is something you will have to research more. I just have the basic information.
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