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very laggy with backup ps2 game...need help
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skidme
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20. June 2005 @ 09:59 |
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Btw, I burn all my backups at 4X. My friend burns his backups at 12x and has no problems LoL
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SnakeEatR
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20. June 2005 @ 11:12 |
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Thanks for the help, skidme! I'm going to Best Buy right now trying out some FujiFilm DVD-Rs. Another poster claimed that Ritek G05s were the best for PS2 games, so I'll try a couple out before I decide to use them for movies only.
Another note: yesterday, I rebuilt GoW and got it to work with a Maxell, but before the burn I updated my firmware on the NEC drive from 1.04 to 3.04. I doubt this had much of an, if any, implication on the burn but who knows? The funniest part is that the meritline site you linked is where I got my G05s, and they charged 7 bucks for UPS Ground shipping. Ha! I work at UPS, and a small package like a DVD spindle costs the company like 5 cents to mail per package and no way do they charge 7 bucks for mailing. 2-3 bucks tops. I should take this up with the Union. J/K
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skidme
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20. June 2005 @ 11:24 |
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Ok well keep us updated on how the new DVD-Rs work out.
Oh and also very interesting info about the shipping charge. I did think that meritline charges a bit too much for shipping, and now you've confirmed tht idea!
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CarAudio
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20. June 2005 @ 12:05 |
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so the Taiyo Yuden are the best for burning PS2 backups?
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SnakeEatR
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20. June 2005 @ 12:44 |
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Tried it, Skidme. There is no question that the Fuji Film DVD-R, (the made in Japan as you said - BB carried Taiwan FF and Japan FF) makes a backup with less lag than the Verbatim DVD+R and the Maxell DVD-R but there is still some lag, errors reading the disc, and times with part of the background disappears altogether.
The game will freeze then unfreeze at times, but I guess it's playable. but def. not a perfect burn. Done at 2x. Updated firmware, good media, NEC burner, V 12 PS2, Swap Magic 3.6 with slide cards.
Not a big deal. I'll try MVP and see how that comes out...
THanks anyway!
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20. June 2005 @ 14:06 |
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maybe you should try msdia that is even better than fuji?i mean that is obviuosly the problem.
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skidme
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20. June 2005 @ 15:35 |
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Snake, try burning with Nero. It's always good to try burning with some different programs to see how they measure up
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CarAudio
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20. June 2005 @ 17:08 |
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whats goin on? what dvd disk should i be using?
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20. June 2005 @ 18:34 |
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hello,
these Taiyo Yudens are so good and they are so cheap?
i went to that link that was posted above. i'm just so suprised they are so cheap. the 100pack is only like $25 USD?
these are so good, everybody in aD have been raving about these. i'm thinking i may check out all the craze.
now that i'm in here.
what is the better option or the more popular option of playing backed-up games on the ps2.
flip-top w/ swap magic or sliders w/ swap magic.
i have been reading up on this and there's mixed reviews. i know i need swap magic regardless.
thank you in advanced.
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SnakeEatR
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20. June 2005 @ 19:29 |
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"maybe you should try msdia that is even better than fuji?i mean that is obviuosly the problem. "
No, it isn't obvious that the FF discs are the problem: I have burned on the same computer at the same speed a Verbatim DVD+R, a Fuji Film DVD-R, and a Maxell DVD-R and gotten coasters. The Maxell I have appears, at first glance, to be the highest quality in terms of the glossy-ness and thickness, and it worked the worst. (Also, most expensive).
I'll try Nero. Thx for your help again, skidme, these problems are obviously hard to diagnose over the internet and I am sure I'll eventually get it. BTW, my MVP 2005 on Fuji has lag. I think a Nero burn is the best idea as I can see why a new PS2 may not like the way DVD Decyptor burns some files on some computers versus Nero. If that doesn't work, I'll waut for my precious G05s in the mail....
Another note: saleman at Best Buy know NOTHING about media. Make that computers, computer hardware, electronics, software, and customer service while your at it....
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21. June 2005 @ 08:16 |
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best buy sales people are just there to make money. they fake it like they know these things til you buy something
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21. June 2005 @ 13:05 |
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i was being sarcastic.you are one of those people that found out the hard way that changing your media brand is not the best solution.you need patience and alittle understanding of coping ps2 games.first priority would be to rule out the ps2 as a possible problem.you would clean your lens even if you think it isnt dirty.then in your case,you would see if you installed the slim tools properly.alot of people using slim tools found out their problems were caused by the slim tool not being properly installed.(for those with slim ps2)either the sensors werent covered good enough or the piece you have to wedge somewhere wasnt seated properly.a good way to find out if it is your ps2 or the backups is to try your backups with your swap magic on someone elses ps2.then you would move on to other solutions.
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SnakeEatR
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21. June 2005 @ 20:18 |
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I replied you you last night, Sucio, apologizing for not picking up your sarcasm and the board had a wierd change in the morning and it was deleted. Sorry.
Anyway, I wanted to clarify something: my PS2 is NOT V12. Sorry, my mistake. It's not a slim PSTwo, it is a really new regular console PS2. I was confused on the versions.
Also, I cleaned the lens twice in the past week with a really good Maxell disc cleaner. I am not sure I want to open up the console. Understand that I can play OTHER backups and regular games with no problems.
"need patience and alittle understanding of coping ps2 games.first priority would be to rule out the ps2 as a possible problem"
I am sorry if I seem kurt or impatient. I really appreciate your help, not just with this thread but the other vets that have helped explain patches, rebuilding, and other back-up info on this forum. Hey, it's not a big deal, but if someone could think of something that would work that would be awesome.
Also, is the ISO a possible problem? If I ripped GTAsa with DVDD and the disc was scratched, could that be a problem? (DVDDyc showed no read errors). ALSO, can I rebuild the game and make it SMALLER so the file fits better on the disc? I know with burning DVDs, if you make the info burn on the entire disc some DVD players will have a lot of problems reading it and there will be lag...
Nonetheless, if the problem persists, I will follow your advice.
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CarAudio
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22. June 2005 @ 08:21 |
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those dvd's from that site look really cheap...100 for $25...im still having lagg with MVP 2005...
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skidme
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22. June 2005 @ 09:07 |
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The DVD-R's not that cheap. After S&H its actually around $33.00. But I must agree- they are cheap, but work flawlessly. This is probably because they're real TYs but unbranded. Don't know why, but branded media always costs more than unbranded.
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22. June 2005 @ 12:58 |
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@caraudio
what mod are you using and how big is the game size?and it wouldnt hurt to clean your lens even if it doesnt solve your problem.
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SnakeEatR
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23. June 2005 @ 11:18 |
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OK, I cleaneed my lens and the backup still doesn't work without lag. Is there a way to take a movie out of GTASA or MVP 2005 and rebuild the game so it runs smoother?
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23. June 2005 @ 22:45 |
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You mean removing all the dummys files and unnessacasary files?
Their should be a thread on this already. Use the search bar.
-Mike
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24. June 2005 @ 00:19 |
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what version ps2 do you have?if you have an older ps2 you should clean the lens with alcohol and a cotton swab.its not that difficult and is pretty much harmless.cleaner discs are good for routine cleaning on lens that isnt that dirty.depending on how old the ps2, you could adjust the lens.older ps2 that lose laser strength can benefit from the laser lens being adjusted closer to the disc.just like when you lose your vision as you get older you get up close to things to see them.i adjusted the lens on my old v7 ps2 and got this exact game(gta san andreas)to play better.my ps2 had been thru alot of abuse also.but those are a few options you might want to try before you waste more discs.and you would be making sure your ps2 is in top condition at the same time.remember you got to have patience and not go crazy trying to find the quick fix.if your interested in any of this just let me know and ill explain these options to you.
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24. June 2005 @ 05:03 |
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hey,i got this trick to copying gta san andreas.it involves extracting the files then rearranging them a little then copying them.i did it with cdvdgen but im guessing it will work with neros also.i still suggest you make sure your ps2 isnt the problem though.a good way to do that is to see if someone would let you use your swap magic with their ps2 to test your backups.im assuming you have a slide card.but if you want to try my little trick out instead then let me know.
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SnakeEatR
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24. June 2005 @ 07:53 |
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Recap:
1) I have used the search bar, Mike3, and no rebuild SA threads are out there. Many posters claim that GTA is a straight ISO/Rip-burn.
2) Sui-cyco: I have already cleaned the Ps2 with alcohol and a swab. It's above this post. Also, my PS2 is not an older version and is practically in new condition and it plays other backup games. GTASA does NOT work on my friends' PS2 with SM - it skips.
3) I have cddvdgen, Nero, and apache 2. If there is a way to rearrange the files for this and MVP2005, that'd be great. Should I try a Ritek G05?
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24. June 2005 @ 08:50 |
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so the ps2 doesnt sound like the problem.anyway,you need to extract the game files.i used iso buster.i think apache might be able to do that,im not sure.after that you open up nero.select dvd udf/iso.then go to the folder where the game files are and start putting them in nero in the order they are in iso buster or apache(have the iso program that you used to extract the program open as a reference,in otherwords)except for the audio folder.you put the audio folder in last,that is the only one that is not put in order basically.there is a 50mb pad file in the audio folder that you can delete before you put the file into nero.its pretty much like a dummy file and is not neccessary.dont bother replacing it just delete it.50mb aint alot but any reduction in size is better than none and the most important thing is putting the audio folder in last.now rename your compilation from new to whatever you want to call it(dont think this important but i do it anyway) them select burn compilation making sure you select a low burn speed (1x or 2x)and burn.also select no multisession.
the reason for this is the audio folder is 2.8gb or so big and there are alot of files that are behind it that are going to be written to the outer edge of the disc making it hard to read these files.by putting the audio folder last alot of those files will be written closer to the inside of the disc making it easier to read those files.and those files seem to be more important than the audio files.ive also rearranged the file order to get shadow of rome to work too.i also made a straight copy of san andreas that works (had to burn at 1x) but san andreas is a picky game to copy so i tried to find a better way to copy it.like i said i havent tried it with nero but it should work.besides cdvdgen is a longer explanation and takes longer to do.
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skidme
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24. June 2005 @ 09:32 |
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Snake
It may be that your problem is your DVD BURNER. What kind of burner is it? Sorry this may be already somewhere in this thread, but I didn't have time to find it. I used a Lite-On at 4x speed to burn San Andreas onto the TYG02 disc and it works perfectly. I think I may have told you earlier- when I burned SA on bad media(a fake Ritek G04) it also played, but skipped. Are you using real TYG02's(If thats what you used)? I have to recant my previous statements about G05's being unsuitable for backups-they should work, but not neccessarily as well as the Taiyo Yudens. Hope this helps...
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SnakeEatR
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24. June 2005 @ 12:10 |
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"the reason for this is the audio folder is 2.8gb or so big and there are alot of files that are behind it that are going to be written to the outer edge of the disc making it hard to read these files"
From what I know about DVD burning, this sounds very plausible. I know that certain DVD movies that go right to the edge of the disc (4.6 GB) skip like crazy on some DVD players.
Skid - my TYDVD-Rs are Fuki Film DVD-Rs with the "made in Japan" barcode. My DVD burner is a really nice NEC 2500a (IIRC) DVD-RW, (the black model). Updated firmware, as stated.
I think Sui-cyco's advice is going to work, and I think it would work for MVP 2005 - which will help our PAL CarAudio. Should I assume that the disc can be rebuilt like GTASA?
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24. June 2005 @ 13:09 |
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actually i dont know about mvp 2005.first extract the game files and see if the size has decreased.then look for a dummy file to replace that could help decrease the size.the only reason i did that with san andreas is because the size did not decrease after i extracted it and there was one pad(aka:dummy file) that was only 50mb,so that wasnt much help.and i didnt feel like taking out some of the audio or movie files to get the game size smaller.
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