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12. October 2005 @ 18:49 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thanks bbmayo!

I probably could have gotten it alot sooner if my comp hadnt been out for 3 months *L* Now that I am up and rolling with the new one - it didnt take long at all. I HATE re-doing all my software and updates - it is such a PAIN!


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I actually reload mine every couple of months. Well usually but I haven't reformated mine in about 6 months this time it looks like it might be time :-)



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13. October 2005 @ 05:11 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
You do? Do you find it helps keep the comp "on track" with less problems? I do have an extra HD to back up on - (Well, I do NOW) - I was thinking that maybe I should start backing up the whole drive evry so often when I am not having any issues, so once something stupid happens (and there's always SOMETHING STUPID that happens) - I can just reload with all the software in good tact. I am not real knowledgeable on that type of stuff yet though.

I have done the system restores plenty of times before too but, they dont always fix the problem(s). I eed to learn how to clean out my registry properly.


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14. October 2005 @ 04:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
What I usually do is...
copy the important files to another HD (external) or make a CD or DVD.
Most of the software I usually don´t touch, because when I do a PC cleanup I really clean it up.
I REFORMAT and start from scratch.
I also get all the fresh upgrades available for all the software I have.
The important thing is to save the files you have.
Once those are lost...well. they are lost.
Least but not last...
Do not rely too much on HDs, they go bad also.
Just recently I had a 250GB HD burn on me. I lost a bunch of files that I will never see again.
Therefore with lessons learned BACK EVERYTHING UP ON DVDs OR CDs (and make 2 of each...one MASTER...one COPY).
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14. October 2005 @ 04:37 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
...and keep out of the SUN, in a cool place.
Leave your peanut butter and popcorn fingers far away when dealing with this media.
Make sure that your DVD + CD player/recorder is in good working order, most importantly THAT IT IS CLEAN.
Remember, those pretty labels leave residues inside your players and than you will loose your files.
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14. October 2005 @ 04:39 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Travalon, did you actually see this work and you are sure it was the mayo? I ask this because I have found sometimes the same disk on the same computer sometimes "squeeks" by one day which failed the day before. Mayo is about 84% oil, 15% vinigar and 1% egg. It might be the oil. In the old days, when disks were super expensive I used to buy ultra cheep disks so you could get them for maybe $1 a piece in lots of 100. These were usually coated with a thin coat of oil. You needed to keep the oil on to burn the disk and if you took the oil off they did not play as well. Apparently some kind of oil improves readability.

I will "play around" with this. The best part of this method is if it fails you can wash it off. If you fail with abrasives your disk is gone. I have seen scratch kits on the internet that employ some sort of surface treatment. I have also heard of using peanut butter. I concidered that foolishness as well. Both peanut butter and mayo are mostly oil. I would deffinitly stick to natural oils. Even though natural oils are likely to go "bad" over time they are less likely to harm the plastic. Once I back up the disk, I really do not care much if the disk becomes unreadable in a few days.

I will keep you posted. If anyone has any info to add to this oil process please post your findings. If anyone knows any one that knows somerthing about optics they might be able to help. If this process does work, it might be the index of refraction of the oil makes it better or worse. It would help if I knew which was better a high or low index of refraction. There are lists of indexs of refractions for different substances.

I never took the peanut butter fix seriously before.
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14. October 2005 @ 05:22 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
n0v0n

JUST WHEN I THOUGHT MY DAYS OF BACKING UP to CD and DVD were gone!

Thanks for adding that. Because I am definitely utilizing my Ext HD as a serious file backing up device and I have quite a bit of very important info that can never be replaced. I used to back up my important files on cd's and dvd's but I got tired of having to pick up each one trying to find what I was looking for sometimes. I will be doing a full restore (like you do - ALL THE WAY) later on today if I get a chance. Maybe I will backup my HD-backup onto DVDs before I do that and will start doing that on a schedule. That way if something does go bad with my harddrive - I wont have to cry-my-eye-out when I cant replce those files. Somethings just arent worth the risk.

Thanks again for mntioning that!


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14. October 2005 @ 06:32 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
JUST WHEN I THOUGHT MY DAYS OF BACKING UP to CD and DVD were gone!

This is from a old survey taken maybe 20 years ago which is rather chilling. 50% of all backups fail when you need to recover your data. This is when tapes were used. I suspect tape could be blaimed for half the failures. The main reasons why disk crash are viruses, HD hardware failure and controller failure. An external disk USB ported disk eliminates hard ware problems. I suspect you are fairly save to rely on just that.

Backing up valuabe data to RO disks not R-W disks is a good idea. It is further insurance that you will never lose that data. I gives you a snap-shot in time. This protects you against the more likely source of data loss (you making a horrific mistake). If you unwittingly distroy your data by mistake you can easily backup that error distroying your data on both HDs.

Backing up to R-Ws has the same risks as when we used floppies and tapes. I am sure this method is riskier than the external HD solution. Anyone using this method should do a full restore to some place regularly. Failures usually occur at the file level with no indication that a failure occured. Unless you resore everything and do a file compare you can not be sure that some of your files are ruined.

I do not know why you would reformat your disk everytime you make a backup. Not only does it waist time but I suspect it creates more risk than it prevents. Being an old timer, I know floppies can only be formatted a few times before they fail. I do not know how strongly this applies to HDs. I know why this happens but I do not think it is important in the forum. HDs are a finer product built to much better standards but I suspect the problem exists but is greatly lessened. I also do not know why you would make two backups of the same data. If one back up was buggered the other is most likely buggered as well. Making 2 copies make sense to me only if each copy is stored in a different building. This prevents the loss of data even if the building is destroyed.
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14. October 2005 @ 07:16 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Mez,

What is "RO"?

I think the HD and the disk one disk-backup for the important data will work for me. But you have to keep in mind that different things work for different people.

It could just be the importance of what novon is backing up as to why he/she makes two copies. I am always welcome to everybodys ideas, of course we all have to make the final decision. personally, I dont feel the need for two disk backups - except when I am backing up my child's files - files of pictures and video that i will never be able to get back. One goes w/ regular stuff and the other goes into a fire-proof safe - to ME that is important *shrug*

We all know that in the end - anything can happen regardless of the methods people choose. As far as reformatting the comp / doing a full retsore - I can only speak or myself - I am having some comp issues that I have not been able to pinpoint as of yet - so i have been trying to find that needle in a haystack - I have my comp working on the bare minimums for a while just trying to figure it out - quite frankly - as stated earlier - I hate having to start over, but i am hoping to get it where I need it to be soon.

If you have any suggestions on backing up the full drive w/ the external - i would appreciate any advice - as I am not knowledgeable in that area - I am interested in backing up everything including all software w/ their updates, and registry info. I am presuming this can be done - hoping that the next time I have a mjor issue that a backdated restore wont fix, the full backup will - so i wont have to start from scratch again - which is extremely time consuming.


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15. October 2005 @ 07:22 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Before U do anything you need to check for viruses, malware, spyware and all that other BS that infects our PCs.

Another thing I do is I stay away from the Internet as much as possible.

In my case I have a separate PC to do that.

I have another PC just to to my media files, etc.

When I need to do an upgrade I go on the internet just to do that.

After I get the upgrade, I disconnect the PC from the internet.

This way I know that anything that happens (mistakes) are ALL MY FAULT!!

8>)

On the issue of backup tapes, about 20 years ago that is what was considered top of the line. I HATED THOSE zzzeeeeeiiiiiipppppiiddyy
tapes and drives. In the military we had to do backups daily.

I think I still have one of those around here somewhere.

On the issue of CDs and DVDs...MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE OF GOOD QUALITY.

CHEAP MEDIA CAUSES PROBLEMS, like anything else.

If you choose media, get the ones MADE IN JAPAN, preferably TAYIO YUDENs, they are the best.

You don´t want to save something that might desapear one of these days.

Again make sure that all your CDs and DVDs are kept from the sunlight, dirt, SMALL CHILDREN, and from people that don´t give a crap about other peoples property.

ALWAYS MAKE A MASTER COPY (THAT IS SACRED).

MAKE A USER COPY (THAT IS ALSO SACRED).

In this way you will be SAVED!!!

8>)

...and when the electricity fails U...

U R SCREWED!!!

what a world we live in!!!!

They still don´t have mini PCs that run on AAA batteries do they?

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15. October 2005 @ 07:29 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Mez
Leave the Mayo for the sandwiches.

If the CD/DVD has to be read by the reader/writer how can this be accomplished with a greasy film on top of it.

I used BRASSO on some scratched CDs/DVDs and it worked fine.

I did the KARATE KID...BUFF ON...BUFF OFF...deal and it worked.

IT DID NOT WORK ON ALL OF THEM, BUT IT WORKED ON MOST OF THEM.

So that U don´t mess up, go to the PUBLIC LIBRARY...loan siome of their scratched CDs/DVDs out and play with them.

THEY ALREADY COME SCRATCHED AND ARE ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!

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15. October 2005 @ 07:49 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Zhelpz

I been thru these pains too.

If U have a virus or any other ´´BEAST`` in your computer you need to approach that issue first.

I cannot reccomend an antivirus software, because all of them work differently.

If you look up some reviews (on antivirus software) the oponions change weekly.

Again it seems that the reviewers are getting kickbacks to state their opinions.

I used several ones and I always fall back on NORTON (SYMANTEC).

There are also some sites that describe how to eliminate these ``PESTS´´ from your PC.

There R 2 ways to backup your files...

One is to use the CD/DVD method, that most of us use.

The other is by using a second external (or internal) HD.

It should be attached to the PC as a MASTER HD (not a SLAVE).

You can even use a LAPTOP HD to do that, contingent on buying a small external case.

It should be USB2 compatible.

This method (LAPTOP HD) is more versatile because you can take it with you everywhere.

One thing that I failed to mention is:

ALWAYS save your PROGRAMS on the MAIN PC hard drive.

ALWAYS save your FILES on the second hard drive.

It doesn´t always happen, but try to transfer those files to thwe second HD as soon as possible.

You are no sure on why to make 2 copies of the same thing.

The answer is:

SAFETY

Suppose that you have one CD/DVD with all the family pictures or SCANNED documents on one CD/DVD only.

You leave home on vacation with your family and when you return your house was flooded, caught fire, was broken in.

YOU LOST EVERYTHING!!!

Who will replace that?

I know of people that even rented a bank safety box, just to save themselves from things like that.

Don´t say that this cannot happen to U.

It can (I hope not).
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15. October 2005 @ 12:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
n0v0n,

Once again, you are speaking sensibly. And as far as the files, I save them on the pc AND the External drive for the very reason you mentioned. I usually save at the same time so I dont have to worry about forgetting to "do it later" - ALSO, one thing I ABSOLUTELY have to do is keep the ext HD in good order - I have found that when I have to go back and find files - ever since I re-organized it - I find stuff so easily *L*

I am glad that norton has worked for you but those Norton Symantic has caused me a butt-load of problem every single time it would update - which was pretty much every othr day or so ...

I have two diff spywares that I use to keep the comp cleaned off, and I keep my virus scans going regularly also - but so far I have been virus-free (so tests tell me) - When I did still have Norton it always said I was free from the viruses also.

And last but not least - comps just have bad attitudes *L* If its not one thing its another - and then you still have the good ole' ELCTRICITY - in which I was in the middle of a program just two days ago and BAM!!! A black out - no warning no nothing! That is one more reason why having those extra's saved on externals and disks are really helpful. I basically go from quickest to slowest when I save files - HD, Ext Drive, then cd/dvd.


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PS - I think the only folx who think "Oh that wont happen to me" ... are people who have been through anything - YET! Life teaches *L*


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16. October 2005 @ 06:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Roger that!!!

One thing is certain...
The more we evolve into the Computer evolution...worth it will get.
Look around you, there´s not one soul around you that does not have some type of electronic gadget.

I myself have a room with 4 PCs, 1 laptop, 4 printers...
and all I started with was a TANDY 386...

My god things were simple than...

But we want more and more and more...

Soon we will have computers in our bathroom while we take a crap.

a little disposable finger will come to wipe your ass for U...

While sitting at the breakfast table the PC will ask U how many lumps of sugar you want in your coffee.

And after that...NUMBER 6 WILL BE ALIVE....

he he he long live technology...

but we still will need electricity unless...

we start building NUCLEAR cells for our PCs to run anywhere at all times...

AND WE WILL NOT NEED ELECTRICITY ANY LONGER...

wholly shit...I could write a movie script on that idea 8>)
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You see this is a perfect example of why you should make backups of your original disks. However if you have a real legal version I dont see the harm in getting another original however you want to do that. You paid for the original technically you should be able to get a replacement from the original manufacturer. In lew of going through all that redtape. Because I know for a fact if you scratch your windows xp disk you can get another free replacement I have done it many times even when I have lost the disk because I was drunk and used it as a coaster. When buying a movie you have the legal right to view that single copy it doesnt matter if its on the original disk or some other source as long as you dont watch it at the same time on multiple sources. Whats also strange is only the original purchaser can watch the movie having your friends over to watch the movie is technically illegal. As called exibition and its strictly illegal.
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Megabyte 2 I am sure having several freinds over to watch a movie in your house is not strictly illegal. It is probably in that grey area where lawyers can make some money unless you charged admission.

I agree, if you bought a copy of a movie you are allowed to own a back up even if your disk has been distroyed. I keep damaged DVDs hoping to fix them some day and for leagle reasons. There are precidents for this in the software world. Did you know you can usually get a "free" version of software for home if you use a copy at work? Microsoft charges $25 handling and shipping. It is a great deal for the user but I suspect Microsoft still makes was it does for OEM software sales.
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Computer backups-
I would warn against using an internal drive to do back ups. It is only really protecting from a surface flaw rampage which almost never happens. Surface problems happen slowly, a block at a time. If many sectors go bad it is usually the controler going bad or some because of some other disaster like the computer was dropped while it was running. A disaster should effect all disks. So unless you have 2 different controllers in your computer, I suggest you do not back up to an internal disk in the same computer.

Scratched disks-
Olive Oil, did not help me play a badly scratched disk. I suspect mayo would be the same.
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Mez, your right having friends over is a grey area but its still illegal but undefined as nobody really wants to inforce it. Mostly its to stop bar owners from showing fights or movies games etc they have bought or taped for home use. Or a movie theater from showing a home version of a movie on a big screen to many people. There are alot of laws that nobody inforces but they are still laws. Do you know oral sex is illegal in all the states and most states have strict laws against having sex unless its missionary and only to procreate. Another senseless tidbit. A judge once told me you can get away with anything as long as you dont use a gun, sell drugs, or hurt animals or children. Everything else is fair game and if you can figure out a way to do it you will not serve time. Unless you pissoff someone more powerfull than you and they have a hard on for you then your in big trouble.
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Just remember this:

Even CD/DVD media goes bad.

To include the originals.

Always use good and reliable media...TAYIO YUDENs are top.

Always save the ORIGINAL, and play around with the copy.

On the legal aspect of the matter...

When you rent a movie they are renting you COPIES made from the

ORIGINALS, and they call it something else.

When making a copy of an original, also make a copy of the original label, and stick it to the copy.

Nobody will know the difference.
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To update you all with my saga.
Never uncerestimate cleaning the surface. I just copied a bandnew disk wiuth less than desireable results. Because it was new I did not check the surface up to the light as I usually do. To my relief there was a bit of a fingerprint on the surface. That was the culpret.

Different rippers do not seem to help. I use the latest Shrink and could not get anything else to work when that failed. I trid DVD Dcrypt, DeFab and Anywhere. Decrypt has better advanced features and will allow you to "work around" bad scratches but you lose that part of the movie. Some of the "better" rippers do try more often to get a read before it "gives up" but if the scratch is really a problem no number of reads will fix that problem. It is best to go to plan B. The burner will make a difference some readers are less effected by scratches. I have a year old Lite-on which "blows away" my very expensive and old NEC drive. The NEC copies are more "skippy" than the originals while the Lite-On makes less "skippy" copies than the original.

I tried abrasives with mixed results. All took lots of time I ruined more than I fixed. I am sure resurfacing by hand is more of an art than anything else.

I tried rubbing olive oil on the surface. I have heard of Mayo and penut butter helping and suspect that it was the oil that did the trick. I suspect there is some oil that might help but I gave up on that process when I saw one of the little disk grinders in KMart. There are lots of different brands like "Disk Dr" ect. They use a 6" wheel. The outside of the wheel is emery paper. Which is a bit rough but gets the job done faster and the emery paper will probably last longer than if it was a finer grade grit. The magic solution you spray on is just water. The end result leaves a distinctive pattern I had seen before. The surface is not shiny nor is it perfectly even. However, the read is fast, half the time needed before the resurfacing and the copy was perfect. I believe the short read time means the ripper only needed to read the surface once per block. I suggest not following directions as to grinding twice before using. I would do one pass then try. I think this process takes off a good deal of plastic. What is good about this process is it works. Although it does not take off plastic prefectly even it is far more even than you could possibly do by hand. The actual grind only takes about a minute per pass. After cleaning, this method seems like the best plan B for scratched disks unless you go for the $200+ grinders the pros use. If you are grinding your own disk I would be sure to make at least 2 copies and keep one as a master. I doubt that the resurfaced disk will survive many passes from this device. I also suspect being "roughed up" from the course grit might make the surface more vulnerable to damage than a shiny disk.

The grinder works so well I will grind and re-copy even if I have just one little skip on my good player.

This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 31. October 2005 @ 04:40

 
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