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Tinker1
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25. June 2005 @ 14:24 |
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well i dont need it for "mainly" gaming as i have an xbox is that is why i choose the p4!
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25. June 2005 @ 16:34 |
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well amd is cheaper and performs pretty much the same. so intel is maybe slightly better at doing other stuff but not enough of a performance increase to make the increase in cost worth it.
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25. June 2005 @ 17:11 |
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Well, if you're doing video then Intel has a slight advantage over AMD, slight. If you're going to keep parts then I need to know your specs first.
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25. June 2005 @ 17:18 |
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I haven't bought the parts yet cuz i'm wondering if the parts i posted earlier work well together and are overclockable. The motherboard on the list supports dual channel DDR 266/333/400, using four 184-pin. The RAM i plan to get is a daul channel DDR 433. Is the motherboard compatable? Is the setup good for overclocking? O does the clock of he RAM matter alot? The one on the list has a CL of 2.5-3-2-8.
Here is the list again:
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-AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0 GHz Socket 939
MOTHERBOARD
-MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum S-939 nForce4 Ultra 1 PCI-E 16X 7.1 Ch Audio Dual GB Lan IEEE 1394
VIDEO CARD
-ATI All-In-Wonder X600 PRO Radeon X600 256MB DDR PCI-Express
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-Thermaltake Xaser Tsunami VA3000SNA Aluminum Home Theater Tower (Silver-Mirror Coating)
-SilverStone SST-ST46F 460W Low Acoustic (Silent) Power Supply w/ Active PFC
CPU COOLING
-Thermaltake Cooling System CL-P0024 Tower112 Pure Cu Heatsink w/ Heatpipe Cooling Technology (LGA775/P4/K7/K8)
RAM
-OCZ PC-3500 DDR433 Enhanced Bandwidth Platinum Edition 1GB (2x512MB) Dual Channel Kit (OCZ4331024EBDCPE-K)
HARD DRIVE
-Western Digital Caviar SATA (WD2000JD) 200GB 7200RPM 8MB Buffer
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25. June 2005 @ 17:30 |
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25. June 2005 @ 17:31 |
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Maybe an SATA2 hard drive would improve hard drive speed, only by a bit though, might help with video editing.
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25. June 2005 @ 17:32 |
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Oh, I forgot, for overclocking just make sure you get an AMD 3200+ with a Winchester core.
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25. June 2005 @ 17:34 |
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@ Lastdrgn
The card you are getting is not the best in the world. What do you plan to OC? You will not get much out of your card, you CPU is locked @ 2Ghz. so you will not get much joy there then either!
Your MOBO is half decent, but can only handle 400 memory, you need to get PC3200 to suit your MOBO better.
The mem you have picked is PC3500, I am not sure that you will not have compatibility issues over that.
What do you want your PC for?
Here is your MOBO
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_deta...
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25. June 2005 @ 17:42 |
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Lastdrgn
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25. June 2005 @ 17:50 |
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well i'm getting all my parts from this place: http//www.canadacomputers.com
I'm not sure what cpu, mobo, mem or video card to get now... plz suggestions would be great. The price is also an issue. Nothing too crazy ex. over $280 Canadian per part.
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Lastdrgn
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25. June 2005 @ 17:55 |
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25. June 2005 @ 18:25 |
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If you had a gander at the link you would have seen that "MOBO" was your motherboard!
@ kinza, I always wondered if higher rated mem would work on my mobo. Although, there is little point is there as it would only work at the mobo speed? It gives you a greater selection, which is an advantage!
Not sure of the differences of the AMDs, I just look at cache & clock speed to make my decision. Any of those cards would be OK for your system. I would go for an Nvidia chip, not the ATi, just a personal preference.
What is the PC for?
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Lastdrgn
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25. June 2005 @ 19:54 |
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o non o i know what mobo is i was just wondering what card you were refering to. Any suggestions on the video cards i posted earlier?
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26. June 2005 @ 12:38 |
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I would get the MSI 6600 GT, it'll match well with your mobo. Don't get the ATI, it doesn't look like a competitive card. I think Pulsar meant the video card overclocking capabilities. Winchester core for the CPU allows more stable overclocking as well as more overclocking capabilities.
@pulsar,i've always wondered if the enhanced mamory is compatible with mobos too, i guess it is if you look at the reviews.
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26. June 2005 @ 13:34 |
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And AMD is far more overclockable than any Intel DRM Piece of S. I have a AMD 64 3200 (2.5Ghz) which can be clock at AMD 64 4200 speed (I think it is 3Ghz but not sure)Provided you have adequate cooling. You will not be able to overclock a P-4 anything from 3.2Ghz to 4.2Ghz without having lockup problems. You will find that P-4 Mobos do not have much to change as far as overclocking. That means you can do it but not by much. AMD Mobos have many overclock options and will allow you to clock at outrageous speeds that the processor probably couldn't handle.
MSI is a good brand though. You will notice 4 memory banks split in two columns and two different colors. MSI for P-4 or AMD make sure you refer to the manual for memory placement. It dose matter if you chose to use dual channel. Not I'm going to pick at another company I dislike. VIA is a very picky pain in the ass chip set. For Intel why would you want a VIA chip set. Do you think they can really know an Intel chip better than an Intel chip set. I dislike VIA and refuse to buy anything with them on it (if possible) If their chip is controlling a non important part of the board I will let it slide. I have Nforce 3 (4came out 2 moths later) but I do not think Nvidia makes chip sets for Intel.
You may be wondering why AMD is better at games. Well it goes something like this. A P-4 talks to a north bridge (depending on your chip set is how fast this will be). This bridge talks with the memory and the AGP. That connects to a south bridge which controls the PCI and other components. ( I may be missing something so please correct me if I am wrong.)
AMD is set up something like this. There is no North bridge. The processor directly talks with the memory and the AGP. Then there is a south bridge for the rest of the stuff. That's why when you look at an AMD mobo you notice a few chips missing when compared to an Intel mobo. This is also why latency timing is lower. There are other major differences but I will leave you with this one. Damn my second listed computer is faster than my trashed P-4 3.02Ghz
So you see it is more than GHZ which really don't matter anyway. Its all in how things are setup and the Chip set controlling stuff.
Enjoy your upcoming DRM horror stories.
-Del
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Lastdrgn
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26. June 2005 @ 14:53 |
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Well i plan to only OC the CPU and maybe the mem. Is it possilbe to only overclock those? I'm a newb at overclocking (i think you guys got that already).
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26. June 2005 @ 14:54 |
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yeah it is possible to oc only the cpu and memory
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26. June 2005 @ 16:25 |
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mr del you mentioned that nvidia doesn't make chipset's for intel, well they do now! and they are awesome! in sli flavors of course. and by the way I have a via k8t800 pro chipset with amd 3800 and my games and app's are butter smooth so why hate on via? there are as many issues with nforce chipsets as they are with via, just check out forums.nvidia.com and see the problems many face with nforce chipsets and 6800gt's and 6800 ultra's not that i'm pro via it's just what I have atm and it's not all bad but you are right for intel go intel chipset unless you want sli.
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26. June 2005 @ 17:41 |
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Well techguy I have know VIA since Cyrix was around ( I know I brought back memories. Terrible chip) Anyway then VIA was OK, you did not need to 4 in 1 it every time you put an update on Windows. Now days you have to 4 in 1 the thing just about every Windows update you put in. If you forget then problems start to happen. I had many VIA boards in the past. Every one of them had lock up issues even if the current 4 in 1 was installed. Mainly they had problems with the Miniport controllers. Every time I accessed a card in PCI the computer would slow down and eventually lock up. I know there could have been many factors why this was happening but they all had one thing in common. They all had a VIA chip set. So of course you would assume the problem was with VIA.
It was not just me. I get a phone from a customer complaining about random lockups. When I get on sight they either had a Cyrix (long ago) or a VIA chip set. It never failed. I switch the MOBO with something other than VIA and their problems are solved. I gave up on VIA 4 years ago and based on the track record I witnessed I will never have faith in them. You should not have to update you Chip set drivers every 3 months (as it seemed) That is stupid. I have run across others like you that say they never have problems. If that is the case then stick with what you know. Oh yeah, I have not ever used a VIA pro. Cyrix is tons worse than VIA. I'm glad that stupid chip died. What was IBM thinking?
My system on the top with Nforce 3 has never ever locked up on me. Its been on currently for 3 weeks non stop (on UPS)Playing games and tons of apps. If there is a bug with nforce 3 I have yet to see it. So you see I am one that has no problems with Nforce yet you do. Just turning the table there about VIA. I was not sure if Nvidia made chip sets for Intel. If they do (Not doubting you) that is news to me.
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26. June 2005 @ 18:36 |
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So you see I am one that has no problems with Nforce yet you do
I have never used nforce although my next build will definatlly will
cause of sli and pcix I'm just saying If you keep your drivers up to date you won't have prob's like most the prob's encounted with a pc are of lack of upgrades to the user's part but you are right about upgrading all the time. aleast once a month, I'm just saying via aint no different from all the other chipset's it's just a small portion of the whole picture.
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26. June 2005 @ 18:41 |
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This is kind of random. What kind of performance gain will there be from 3200+ to 3500+ to 3800+?
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26. June 2005 @ 18:42 |
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some newer updates don't always work properly with older boards & os for example via & intel. have come across problems when using up to date updates that cause the os to go slow
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27. June 2005 @ 07:29 |
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I just use the drivers that came with the Mobo about a year ago. Have not updated them and have no need to. Windows of course has been updated many times.
As far as the different AMD 64 numbers, the higher the are the faster that chip can go. Other than that they are the same.
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28. June 2005 @ 08:54 |
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The mem you have picked is PC3500, I am not sure that you will not have compatibility issues over that.
PC3500 is rated for overclock FSB (200DDR++) but will work fine at PC3200 speed (200DDR).
At stock mobo speed, the PC3500 memory will easily support SPD timings with marvelous stability, and selection of more aggressive memory timings in BIOS should be possible without instability.
So you run PC3200 @ SPD, or PC3500 @ Enhanced or Turbo setting.
Higher-rated memory (though you will pay $$) is good because, if any system instability, you know memory is over-rated therefore under-clocked, so if set to SPD the memory will not be the source of your problems (look elsewhere).
This is important because, with the vast majority of 'haunted' computers, the memory is #1 stop for troubleshooting...
@ Lastdrgn
You an Ontarian! Kewl - here is a link, for you to cross-reference pricing or whatever...
http://www.pccanada.com/
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28. June 2005 @ 10:03 |
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Always wondered about that one, thank you The_Ogs, that was most informative!
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