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crawling dell ripping speeds
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joebarby
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13. August 2005 @ 23:27 |
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I have a pretty new Dell Inspiron 8600, Pentium M 1.4 Ghz, 512meg ram, ATI Radion 9600, NEC 8x RW and right out of the box and ever since (even through replacing the processor and the sony 8x with this one) I can get at best 2.5 hours analize, rip and burn (main movie only) with shrink and 1.75 hours rip and burn with clone2.
I have had this problem since new and before I installed and activated any other software except those mentioned above and continuously through replacement of- processor, hard drive and dvd rw, as well as hard drive system format and reinstall. I disabled all programs running in the system tray and still I get speeds of less than 1/3 that of my 2yr old pc with a 4x lite-on dvd rw, (20 to 60 min analize-rip and burn) athalon 2600+ and 1 gig ram (with all the same primary software running on both... I checked that all channels are set to DMA...
RAM upgrade aside, is something wrong???
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jwhit
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14. August 2005 @ 10:40 |
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I have basically the same system as my second (below) and use AnyDVD/CloneDVD2 and leave Norton Internet Security and Webroot Spysweeper running in background (basically shutdown nothing) and copy and burn in 45min. or less (30min or less on main machine but dual drives and more power). Do you have any packet writing software installed? Nero InCD or the like?
Dell Computer Corporation Inspiron 8600
Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2
1.60 gigahertz Intel Pentium M
Bus Clock: 133 megahertz
8 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
512 Megabytes RAM
Intel(R) 82801DBM Ultra ATA Storage Controller
59.97 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
42.51 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space
NEC DVD+RW ND-5100A 4X
NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200
Dell Computer Corporation Dimension 4550
2.4 Gigahertz Intel Pentium 4
Bus Clock: 533 megahertz
Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2
1024 Megabytes Installed Memory
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 256MB
DIRECTX9
Creative SB Live! Series (WDM)
TEAC DVD+RW DV-W58E 8X
NEC DVD+/-RW DL ND-3550A 16X
Ultra ATA 100
C: 250gig WD CAVIAR
F: 160gig WD CAVIAR SE
G: 200gig MAXTOR ONETOUCH EXT. USB2/FIREWIRE
M: 120gig HITATCHI (ENCLOSURE USB2/FIREWIRE)
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joebarby
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14. August 2005 @ 17:39 |
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what's the point about Nero and InCD? I have Nero and maybe InCD (if it came with the system)... Are you saying they are to blame for the slow speed? Because I have Nero on my PC also and no side affects there!
even with the speeds you speak of with your Dell (although an improvement over mine) are still way short of the speed we should be getting with state-of-art hardware like this. My OLD pc with a 4x can accomplish a shrink rip and burn in about 20/30 min and 35/40 min with clone2
No offense, but I am just convinced that "Dell Sucks"
I'll search for InCD and if I fing it, I'll delete it and see if the speed improves...
Thanks
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Mez
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15. August 2005 @ 05:07 |
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Your computer is too slow. Ripping and shrinking are both CPU intensive. They are selling 3.5 GHz desktops for about $500 if you know where to look. I work on 2 computers one is 1.5 the other is 2.5. The 2.5 is more than twice as fast as the 1.5. I have twice the memory but checking the resouce usage in the "windows help" I saw very little memory was being used. Be greatful you do not have something slower. My 1.5 with 250 meg of RAM is even a little faster than yours. I only RIP the movie on the slower machine. You might want to look for software that lets you select what you will RIP. On the 2.5 in only takes about 30 mins to RIP the whole disk so who cares to save 5-10 minutes. On a slower machine you are saving almost 30 minutes. I suggest you RIP at night just before you go to bed. Then speed does not matter.
Dells do not suck (not that I have ever bought on out of the dozen computers I have bought)
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15. August 2005 @ 05:57 |
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I'll search for InCD and if I fing it, I'll delete it and see if the speed improves
Do not just delete InCD, you must uninstall it using the clean tool available from Nero. It is better if you just go into your startup and disable it if it is starting up.
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15. August 2005 @ 06:08 |
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I have a Dell laptop as well (Precision m20: specs in sig.). I mainly use the external burners, but on the few occasions that I HAVE used the internal optical drive, the only time I experienced slow rips were with a dirty disc...
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System 2: Core2Duo E6400 O/Ced @ 3.2 GHz, Gigabyte GA 965P S3 mobo, Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro, 2GB PC6400 RAM, PNY GeForce 6600, Hyundai B70A 17" LCD. |
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spacedust
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15. August 2005 @ 14:41 |
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Maybe your dvd burner has RIP LOCK. Do a little research on the brand and model. A hacked firmware may do away with the rip lock if it has it.
Or your runnining in PIO mode not DMA. One other thing most laptops hard drives spin at less than 5400rmp. I know I can tell a BIG diffrence when I went from western digital 7200rpm to wester digital Rapture 10000rmp. Mex is right on with CPU speed and ripping my old system 800mhz, 80gig 7200rpm,512mb memory rip speeds 45 minutes to an hour. Built new system 3.0gig P4 Northwood clocked 3.4gig, 35gig rapture 10000rpm, 1gig mem,rip speeds 10 to 14 minutes using DVD Decrypter for all rips.
Good Luck
Spacedust
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joebarby
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15. August 2005 @ 19:44 |
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I also have two systems a 2 year old desktop tower AMD Athalon 2600 at 2Ghz -1Gb ram 4x burner that clearly outperforms the new dell notebook and leaves it standing in the dust as far as dvd ripping and other hardware comparisons. The Dell has a Pentium M with 2MbL2 cache that is tested to equal a 2.4 (or better)Ghz desktop and with 512 Mb ram and n 8x burner it should far out perform my old Athalon
But if I would equip my old 1998 pentium 1 33Mhz HP with a 4x dvd burner it too would probably out burn the dell even with 64Mb ram
There has to be something fundamentally wrong with the base drivers that dell uses for dvd interface that is causing it to poorly interact with any installed DVD software, devices and/or dvd files because I have tried two disc drives (a Sony 8x and the NEC 8x) and have had no success; and another clue is how the Dell notebook offers inaudable volume levels with any dvd disc or dvd file playback while cd and sound file playback is very loud. My thought has always been that Dell drivers are at fault, not installed ripping software or disc drives or even the pc hardware! **Somebody please prove me wrong!** Somebody please show me a comperable Dell notebook that performs better than what's been posted here!
And yes dvd playback and ripping performance IS a big deal and when someone pays for "state-of-the-art" then it should perform to those standards and ripping dvd's in my sleep is not what I bought a spitfire laptop to do and 10, 20 or 40 minutes extra ripping time is not what I spent $1500 to achieve.
And thats just my POV...
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joebarby
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15. August 2005 @ 19:48 |
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PS I remember when I installed Nero I was prompted to rid my pc (and notebook) of InCD and did so back then..
this is turning out to be the a pretty good thread
thanks for all the input...
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16. August 2005 @ 02:22 |
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Here is the breakdown for my Dell. I use DVDFab to rip to entire disc to hard drive first. Once I purchase AnyDVD, I will save the first 15 min.:
Rip to HD: @15 min
Analyze/compress "main movie only" with Recode2: @25 min
Burn @8X: @8 min
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One other thing i noticed on teflonmyk specs 13 minute burn at 8X does not sound right or maybe its becouse it's a laptop.
Posted 6X burn time (13 min)
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System 1: Core2Quad Q6600 O/Ced @ 3.15 GHz, Gigabyte GA EP35 DS4 mobo, Zalman 9700, 4GB PC6400 RAM, Sapphire Radeon 2600HD Pro, Samsung 920BW 19" Widescreen LCD, Hauppauge! PVR-350.
System 2: Core2Duo E6400 O/Ced @ 3.2 GHz, Gigabyte GA 965P S3 mobo, Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro, 2GB PC6400 RAM, PNY GeForce 6600, Hyundai B70A 17" LCD.This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 22. August 2005 @ 09:49
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spacedust
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16. August 2005 @ 15:25 |
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Joebarby your not going to have to convience me Dell sucks. I do a little computer work on the side and have lot's of friends that do PC work. 90% of the work are dell computers that alone should tell you something. Alienware may be the only top notch manufactor left. The fact is Dell,HP,Gateway put the very barr minium in PC hardware to get by. I would guarantee an Alienware laptop would rip that dvd to pieces. I don't think laptops have caught up with desktops yet, although the advertisments make you think so. Hard drive speed and bus speed could be the bottleneck on the laptops vs desktops. Also notice where teflonmyk says takes him 35 minutes to coompress file with 1.6gig processor now this is where the processor comes to play a big roll in speed using DVD Shrink pulling file off hard drive I can compress at 50% in 15 minutes running 3.4gig. Also shrink loves to eat up memory that's where the 1 gig of memory comes in I've seen shrink gobble up 512mhz in memory. On average takes me 35 minutes for the whole process rip average 12 minutes, shrink average 12 minutes burn 6X 10 minutes. 1.4gig processor should be around 35 to 45 minutes to rip. If your burning at 4X 15 minutes 30 seconds. Compressing the movie this is where you can save some time getting just the movie at as little compression as possible preferable 100% no compression. This could be the diffrence in 15 minutes to an hour. It appears Looking at your specs your times are about right.
Good Luck
Spacedust
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spacedust
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16. August 2005 @ 15:31 |
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One other thing i noticed on teflonmyk specs 13 minute burn at 8X does not sound right or maybe its becouse it's a laptop. My burns at 8 X take 8 minutes everytime no average. Running Sony DRU710A Verbatum media 8X(MCC003)+R.
Good Luck
Spacedust
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jwhit
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16. August 2005 @ 16:10 |
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Also, as this is a Pentium M laptop , as is mine, have you set the processor for highest productivity, in the control suite? If set to conserve power the processor will step up and down as needed. 45 min was the max time. I always burn the entire disk minus any previews and the entire process is usually in the 25-35min range (45 being the max with a 2 1/2 hour to 3 hour long movie). Almosy as fast as my desktop, but as stated previously, the laptop harddrives are slower (5200 vs 7200). Does anyone know if a driver update on the contoller for one's drives (speaking of my deskttop) can be of benefit for faster read times?
Dell Computer Corporation Dimension 4550
2.4 Gigahertz Intel Pentium 4
Bus Clock: 533 megahertz
Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2
1024 Megabytes Installed Memory
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 256MB
DIRECTX9
Creative SB Live! Series (WDM)
TEAC DVD+RW DV-W58E 8X
NEC DVD+/-RW DL ND-3550A 16X
Ultra ATA 100
C: 250gig WD CAVIAR
F: 160gig WD CAVIAR SE
G: 200gig MAXTOR ONETOUCH EXT. USB2/FIREWIRE
M: 120gig HITATCHI (ENCLOSURE USB2/FIREWIRE)
Pinnacle Systems Studio AV/DV E4
Pinnacle Systems Studio AV/DV Overlay
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16. August 2005 @ 16:15 |
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That example was "Million Dollar Baby," a 2 hr 15 min movie at 65% compression. Actually, the burn took 12 min and some change. Just rounding up... I have 2 burners, a 120 GB HD, and my R200 running through a USB hub. As far as buying PC's go (laptops anyway), I always get a "business grade" laptop configured. I usually do a purchase order through the company I work for and pay for it with my credit card. (There's 25 - 35% discounts when I go that route) Check out the specs at Dell Home vs. Dell Small Business. Say, an Inspiron vs. a Precision laptop...
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System 1: Core2Quad Q6600 O/Ced @ 3.15 GHz, Gigabyte GA EP35 DS4 mobo, Zalman 9700, 4GB PC6400 RAM, Sapphire Radeon 2600HD Pro, Samsung 920BW 19" Widescreen LCD, Hauppauge! PVR-350.
System 2: Core2Duo E6400 O/Ced @ 3.2 GHz, Gigabyte GA 965P S3 mobo, Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro, 2GB PC6400 RAM, PNY GeForce 6600, Hyundai B70A 17" LCD.This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 16. August 2005 @ 16:18
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joebarby
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16. August 2005 @ 16:24 |
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spacedust- alienware is a new name to me but then I am not into it like you. I wish I knew then....
In one of my posts I was curious if it is possible to clock up the processor on the smell, maybe you can answer this?
I checked my system specs and it shows a processor speed of 1.4 Ghz. I bought the smell and the pitch=man that sold it to me claimed that the pentium m was posted at 1.6Ghz and utilizing some kind of dual channel technology and doing the research I read the Pentium M w/ 2Mb L2 cache (is supposidly 1.6Ghz) rated to the Equivilant of 2.4 Ghz (or something like that). If my system actually has the hardware, then my processor is somehow underclocked (at 1.4) and if I can, I want to fix that. This might help step-up the performance (yes?) and it's a given that I am going to need a memory upgrade..
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spacedust
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17. August 2005 @ 16:01 |
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Joebarby I personaly would not attempt to overclock a laptop. When you overclock lots of settings have to be changed in the bios, I know Dell Bios will not allow that any how. Plus when you overclock you usually have to add better heat sinks and fans on CPU. For example with stock heat sink and fan I could over clock 3.0gig to 3.2 any more than that and the processor was getting to hot. When I added custom heat sink and 90mm fan 4800rpm I could overclock 3.0gig to 3.6gig, I run it continous at 3.4gig and its very stable there. Im not familure with the M chip sound simular to P4 running hper-threading. I would say if it says 1.4 it's running 1.4 and the sells guy shot you a load of crap. With my experiance running DVD Shrink, one it runs faster encoding files off hard drive rather than the disk, This is why I use DVD Decrypter to rip to hard drive first and the fact it will rip some movies that Shrink can't. Two try compressing just the movie get as close as you can to 100% no compression, this should speed things up for you. Personally I hardly ever watch any of the extra stuff off the movie, pop the movie in and it just starts playing the movie.
Check out the link http://www.alienware.com/
These systems will blow any Dell,HP,Gateway out of the water. I bought my first system Gateway it's over 6 years old and still running. My second system I built my self. Abit motherboard, 1gig Kingston memory(cas2), WD rapture hard drive(SATA), XFX Gforce 4 FX-5900(with VIVO),550watt power supply (antec true power),Processor 3.0C NorthWood P4, dvd drive and dvd burner Sony DRU710A. The kicker I payed half as much for my self built pc compared to the gateway. It's hard to beat the software packages that Dell,HP, and gateway gives with there pc's. But for me I don't run any Microblows crap accept for the operating system. If I did not play games on line I would be running Linux right now. Mozilla is a great alternative to IE. It's never been hacked like IE has. And I love OpenOffice for windows, this free package will do everything a pro Microblows office suite will do, without folks hacking the crap out of it. Also AVG free version that's right Free anti-virus program is very good, been running it for 3 years now. There is lot's of free stuff out there just stay away from the one's that load your pc down with spyware.
Good Luck
Spacedust
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