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Intel P4 vs AMD
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brobear
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25. September 2005 @ 14:30 |
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Soph,
Hush... LOL Everyone will find out what a cheap bunch we are, excluding you of course. LOL ;)
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64026402
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25. September 2005 @ 15:23 |
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I'm thrifty. Your stubborn. Sophocles is choosy.
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25. September 2005 @ 15:58 |
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We're all stubborn, Donald is "thrifty", and Sophocles is choosy. ;)
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25. September 2005 @ 17:22 |
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You both are stubborn, I can be choosy and Donald is a cheapskate.:)
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25. September 2005 @ 20:11 |
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LOL See what I mean. ;) LOL
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26. September 2005 @ 08:06 |
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That'd be how many off-topic posts?
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26. September 2005 @ 12:41 |
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sammorris
Including yours I count seven.
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26. September 2005 @ 16:08 |
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sammorris
Including yours I count eight.
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64026402
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26. September 2005 @ 16:11 |
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Make that nine.
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26. September 2005 @ 16:16 |
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Oh yeah, Intel blows and AMD rocks dude.
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26. September 2005 @ 17:27 |
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I have an AMD XP 2500+@3200 and it was a decent chip but it's not in the same league as the newer cores Venice, San Diego for single core and Toledo and Manchester for Dual cores. What makes these chips something special is the advancement in die production and onboard memory handling.
As we all know the reason that CPU manufacturers are going to dual core is because they've virtually reached the theoretical limit on how close individual circuit paths can co exist. The wall division between one circuit and another's literally molecules thick. AMD along with IBM came up with a solution that allows them to overcome some of those difficulty called strained silicon.
Intel chips at this time are inferior to any of the cores I mentioned above. The only thing that you can do to get an Intel chip to match AMD's speed would be to cool them with water or perhaps (Hmm!liguid nitrogen). I believe that Intel is going to make a comeback expeciall since they're thinking of placing four cores on a single die
Here's a link tht will fill you in on some of the technology that's got Intel in a conundrum.
http://www.physorg.com/news2338.html
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27. September 2005 @ 08:22 |
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How can the gaps between strips be only a few molecules thick, if they've now made them smaller?
Bear in mind scientists are talking about making picometre processors in the next couple of decades...
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27. September 2005 @ 13:42 |
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If it's made up of solid matter then it has molecules Period. Scientists are talking about nano computers being available by 2011, a trip to to mars in 2026 but right not they still have to deal with molecules. A silicon chip is basically a drawing etched out by fine lasers and then doped with metal and both metal and silicon contain molecules.
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27. September 2005 @ 19:00 |
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The present limiting factor for semiconductor manufacturing would seem to be the light used to cut the wafers. Creating new equipment based on smaller wavelentghs is costly. They are running out of room with the present wavelengths.
I have read about extreme ultra ultraviolet as a process and they are testing Xray and Gamma but the difficulties in making the changes slow the shrinking process.
I agree with Sophocles that sub-molecular chip building is a long way off.
The Dual core Athlons use the new strained silicon and silicon on insulator to reduce the heat problem.
I can say it works very well. Two 2.0 cores at 2650 mhz and 32 degrees idle, 52 degrees with both cores pegged.
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28. September 2005 @ 07:45 |
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So dual core processors have two cores both operating at (normally) 2000mhz?
In that case, essentially, surely the 'actual' clock speed will be 4000mhz?
But of course I assume in single core programs they act as, say 3800+, but when dual core support is out, 7600+?
That's extreme performance, but then again when they're running in 64-bit like that they'll need mountains of memory...
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28. September 2005 @ 12:43 |
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The new AMDs are excellent at handling memory much better than their predecessors, especially with dual channel memory. I don't think that one would need more than a gigabyte but since I already have two gigabytes it's a moot point.
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Two 2.0 cores at 2650 mhz and 32 degrees idle, 52 degrees with both cores pegged.
Those are the actual specs of 6402's current machine. I hvae a single core running at 2.664 GHZ with about 34 degrees idle but never above 49 degrees full load.
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Intel P4s and Dual Cores
One of the main purposes of the Dual Core is to perform DRM-related functions without the user's noticing it. This enables remote attensation (remote control) to be carried out with little or no interuption of normal processing.
Beware the Fritz Chip (P4)
The DMCA - Stripping your rights away, one at a time.
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29. September 2005 @ 07:30 |
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Well first off all let me just say that AMD is mainly for gaming and intel is mainly for muli-tasking and encoding. There is no doubt that Intel will perform better than AMD in terms of encoding/decoding. But AMD will outperform Intel in gaming and graphic processing. I think AMD is better because look at their smart engineering, the AMD clock speeds are only in the 2GHZ but they can compete against the Intel's clock speed of 3GHZ+. This is a classic battle between Brain's and Brawn: AMD's smart architecture and Intels Brute Clock speeds.
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29. September 2005 @ 08:14 |
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So when brawn is added to brains (say, an overclocked Athlon X2) - the ideal solution is created...
My next CPU (a 90nm one this time) will definitely get overclocked. Possibly considerably so.
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More liquid nitrogen anyone? ;) Ten?
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29. September 2005 @ 10:26 |
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As of right now i would go with AMD. If you search around you will see that the amd dual core is more effient and is just a better chip. If your on a budget get a X2 3800 and if you dont care about ocing and you still want to keep your old agp card get one of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157081
You want onboard video and dont mind using a micro board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135191
I just built two of these for people and they are good boards. The fact is you have to know what you are doing they both need a bios flash.
If you want ocing get a DFI NF4 board or the new crossfire board.
I am waiting for intel to get off their butt and make something worth buying. There next line of chips I WILL BE BUYING. Their new dual cores run hot and so do there P4s. If you get an AMD 64 you WILL be able to tell the difference compared to P4. IMO the dothan core is awesome i wish intel would do more with it. Intels reign of encoding/decoding has ended with the X2. Intel cant ramp their clock speeds up anymore and where is the P4 4.0 ghtz chip? Thats right there isnt one. Both architectures are good but AMD IMO will come out on top as of now being more effient. I like both Intel and AMD but right now I choose AMD. Intel makes more money than AMD and they dont have to do anything they dont need to do.
Heres a couple benchies on my neo2 platinum board and this is ONLY on a NF3 board you can see how it compares beating fx57, dual core intel and dual xeon.
http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arith8lk.jpg
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http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=multimed2er.jpg
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Trouble is, Intel bully major computer builders into just using their processors - hence AMD's lawsuit. I wouldn't mind seeing AMD win the lawsuit as the Sempron64 deserves some limelight in the low-cost PC arena. However, despite their astonishing intel-demolishing performance, the FX series and high end X2 CPUs are still overpriced. Only an impresive overclock renders them slightly worth the money you have to fork out....
Still, at least you CAN overclock them...
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29. September 2005 @ 13:12 |
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I have both AMD & Intel, The AMD is the better system overall for games and other stuff, except for video work, thats when AMD processors fall flat on their faces, as real clockspeed of the processor is need and thats when Intel is best.
Bottom line if your not doing video work go for AMD, if you use your pc for mainly video converting coding/encoding go for Intel.
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29. September 2005 @ 13:36 |
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Video encoding is one of the few features of a CPU that relies heavily on clock speed but only by a small amount. My Venice core overclocked to 2.664 GHZ is encoding Video in around 90 minutes or less using CCE that used to take 150 to 180 minutes on my 2.8 GHZ P4@3.149 GHZ. Both systems were built by me. In fact my system is encoding video faster than a 3.4 GHZ Prescott and I'm hearing of other results across the web that verifies my results. Intel isn't winning at much of anything anymore. They will however come back with a vengeance and I can't wait for the CPU battle that's to come.
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29. September 2005 @ 14:27 |
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yeah, imo, my 2800 is a lot faster than my friends intel based systems. we both built ours our self, and for the most part, they have the same specs, but he has a 3ghz p4 and i have a 2.2ghz athlon 2800+
anyways, w/e, i like amds more now XD. i was always kinda iffy about them cause i wasn't sure how to compare their clockspeeds
athlon xp 2800+ 2.21ghz (177x12.5 at 1.8v)
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