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Are you trying to create your own metaphysical environment here? Give us a break and stop making yourself so distracting. We've grown tired of your meandering through your metaphical thoughts in print. Try getting back to Intel and AMD and not just your superfluous thoughts on them and the world according to mrpsych. Even your benefactor, Sophocles, appears to be growing tired of it.
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The main thing is that you're getting some of what you want, not a bad entry into doing it yourself. I don't think that you'll buy another store bought PC though. LOL
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What you're describing has nothing to do with the "dialectic." Socrates developed the notion of the dialectic as a means to develop arguments in favor of the discovery of knowledge. The dialectic consists of Thesis (original idea), Antithesis (opposing idea), and Synthesis (the result when all things are considered and what is left). But, it doesn't end there because synthesis becomes the new starting point.
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I will drop it. HOwever, you dont have to read what I write, it is not like it is a phone call or an email lol. you have to have the conceptual prior to the hardware. logic has almost everything to do with processors and hardware the way they work with instructions that are written. 1's and 0's are abstractions that are dealt with from hardwarew 10 11 100 101 110 111 1000 is logical and it could be ab aa abb aba aab aaa abbb is the same thing. And when you talk about who is going to do what that is more abstract than objective, especially whne you are talking about what direction to purchase or who is going to buy what, that is more abstract than talking about isntructions that processors use or no compilers that the processor opens channels for, the high level language that the compiler brings down to the simpler, this is exactly related, how when you talk about ways to buy that is high level abstraction when you go buy it and use it that is lower just like the System.out.println("hello there"); get brought down to 1's and 0's that the processor opens so that the hardware can talk to the operating system. Intention action, hardware software action same analogy.
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you have to have the conceptual prior to the hardware.
No you just need to know what the hell you're doing.
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right, marx and heidegger, but there is another context to dialectic that i used. progression of though from opposing ideas that change into other ones. Weber used ideal types that took two. Berger used it the way that I did.
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IN order to know what you are doing you have to conceptualize it lol otherwise you are running on intuition and random activity lol. computers were created by man and his mind which is conceptual by organization of ideas and theories into action. YOu hae an intent you organize it and then you put it into action, via the practice comes 'knowing what you are doing'. we aer not drones, thre is a relationship between external and the internal but computers were man created, the processors are created via conceptual knowledge organization. 1's 0's and compiler to language it is all organized, just like the motherboard is organized. YOu cant take out the hardware but you cant take out the mind and concept either lol. Otherwise you could be programmable!
YOur definition of dialectic is correct, the context to how you used it is right. Peter Berger used it in another context teh way i used it. Dictionaries are only indexes on 'how teh word is used in context' not the law. however, it is usually good to use the average context of it.
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I recently purchased a new tower with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+. I did extensive research and found that this lower end chip from AMD outperformed Intel's mid range chip and still was much cheaper. I think AMD does it because they still have alot to prove to the comsumer. They are still just a chick in a single hens house.
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IN order to know what you are doing you have to conceptualize it lol otherwise you are running on intuition
No, you are running on experience and crystalized knowledge. Concepts are best left in the realms of hopeful ideas.
Sorry but wrong again. LOL
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right, and those are conceptualizations, organized crystalized ideas. Like in the brain it is not only the occipital lobe that has visual actvity there are parts across teh brain that do, when you use your long term memory your whole brain is functioning, not just one neuron. It is an organized activity, concepts are organized, prefrontal cortex is the planning, but it is other areas that are being used as well. Like shortterm memory and long term memory. However, I like the working memory model of 'central executive' that delegates between teh visual and the sound and then releases and passes to longterm memory. Very analogous to computers and how the cpu works. organization has to happen in order for you to keep using it. When you remember phone numbers you chunk it, that is how the chess pros do it, it is not that they are any better when having to put chess pieces at random they do just as good as beginners, they chunk they remember more of a moves they remember from past experience- it is all organization :) They hae done experijments by randomly putting chess peices on the board and having them look and put it together and they didnt do that much better than beginners, only known moves were did they outperform the beginners at.
It is schemas that allow us to figure things out even though we were not taught. Like myself I have built computers for some time now, but only because i remembered a 'schema' to fill it in. However, if computers were all new in arrangment and in everything, you would try to use your schema your existing network and you would run into problems. schema is the framework that exists in your brian like you stated. schema is organized concepts that let you fill in what you miss. We read something we only retain 20 percent but we fill in the rest with our preexisting schema that fills it in via our experience.
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I will drop it. HOwever, you dont have to read what I write...
Why impose your meandering thoughts on a tech thread where it is obviously out of place. You should stay true to your word and drop it. Continuing as you are will only bring enmity, it's obvious you don't appreciate being disagreed with. Each time someone does, we're inundated by your thoughts once again.
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You gave us the processor info, now how about the model and brand along with that cost. The latter is just saving us the time of looking it up. Just to show us your success, give us a screenshot of your benches using Sandra, there's a free Sandra Lite. You can even include the comparison benches included in the Sandra app. You can see how it works from those we've already posted. If you don't know how, review pages 37 through 41 for the "how to" on screenshots. The instructions are mixed in there on those pages.
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I dont have an issue at all. And as i included in my replies i gave validation to his ideas. I dont see that anything wrong especially when the language and ideas are clean. And are on teh topic of science and computers and the mind and concepts. It just highlights how interrelated life is and how integration is so important and that one cannot exclude one like B.F. Skinner with the denial of what you cannot see and how that doesnt matter. BF skinner said cognition wasnt important, but cognitive psychology rose back up with the invention of the computer :) Not everything is environemntal. Sophocles he could apply his context of dialectic to computers, hardware and software to virtual reality. That is in a form a dialectic of progression of an idea. Virtual reality came out of hardware and the instructions from teh software the Internet. It is a progression in itself, 1 on 0 off they are opposites, yet they create the very ability for me to express idea and others to express theirs, through opposing on and off and therefore creating the abiltiy to create and use software on teh computer which is different and new from the 1's and 0's that fits perfectly into a dialectical progression! :)
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Think AMD and Intel systems. We're sort of specific as to the direction this thread takes. We'd like to see it remain a technical thread as that is the section of the forum it is located in. Most of us have suggested you take your thoughts to the General Discussion forum and the Safety Valve section. Why abuse an audience that doesn't accept your misplaced posts as having relevance to the posted topic?
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HP a1250n Cost with a 19" f1905 monitor and new $100.00 printer scanner so on for $1000.00. Sandra shows up with a N/A when showing my computer in the benchmark window.
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BTW 250gb SATA, ATI X200, 1.0 GIG SDDR SDRAM, anything else?
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You don't select your CPU from the drop down window. You use those for comparisons. Running the test will give the results of your system along with those comparisons. Your system doesn't have to be listed in the benchmarks stored for comparison. I heard Sisoft had updated the Lite, so make sure you're using the latest version. Sophocles has been benching his AMD system, he might give you some better pointers than I can. I have the retail version, so mine definitely covers the newer systems. Oh yes, just out of curiosity, once you get Sandra going, what memory did they put in your system? ;)
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I understand this but at the top where it says current CPU I get a N/A. It doesn't know what to test against. but when i do a system summary it recognizes all my hardware.
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this thread really needs to get back to talking about processors and stuff.
mrpsych - dude, smoke a joint, eat some valium, have a beer. All i see is big spiffy words and quotes from this guy and that guy, this aint psych101, chill out dude.
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Did you click on the refresh command to run the Sandra benchmark? I get the N/A before I run it on my PC. Refresh is the command icon I have indicated in the screenshot below.
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Its cool, i will drop it, but processors deal with 1's and 0's and logic. computers are not an escape but an embrace of logic :) artificial intelligence.
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Thanks for the input.
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Take a hint, you were nicely warned by a moderator. You may want to take it elsewhere. I don't think Darthnip wants anymore of your metaphysical and superfluous thoughts. As we've mentioned, they may let you get away with your meanderings in the General Discussion section... maybe not. ;)
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didnt i just say i would drop it? I understand 1's and 0's in your opinon have nothing to do wtih processors or logic that is fine, i told you i would drop it and i will. But, the idea that it isnt related is a matter of opinion, research for the past years and how it started sugeest otherwise. And the use of the word 'abuse' is kind of stretching it because there were no foul language used and no name calling or anything.
I do understand you need the last word so i will not reply with your next reply on it. However, it really baffles me how 'is there a feeling that one is forced to read it? Dont worry I wont reply. I sometimes go too far substantiating a point. That is what makes electronic communication differnt than in person communication. It amazes me how we can communicate in virtual space and yet people think of it as real. I dont normally post on forums, i just got a little carrried away on this one. I always get really interested in exclusivism and how people really believe in compartmentalization. It does amaze me how many people do not think psychology has any connection to computers yet psycholgoy ahs contributed so much to it as well as the first one back when in teh early 60's i think it was or 56. the two psychologists wanted a processor to use logic and it was what began as the computer or one of the first the way we see it. I would say that when it comes to handling instructions AMD is the best, their archetecture just makes sense. you guys have a good night,, Part of my idea in psychology is that people often seek science to avoid abstractions but yet they do not realize they are dealign with abstractions just like BF Skinner.
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It does amaze me how many people do not think psychology has any connection to computers yet psycholgoy ahs contributed so much to it as well as the first one back when in teh early 60's i think it was or 56.
it's not that we dont think it, more like we dont care. we care about things like "my AMD smokes your Intel", or "Your AMD is a calculator compared to my Intel", blah blah blah. Get over yourself and move the hell on, what is this strange fetish of wanting to "wow" everyone with what big words you've learned? You might be stuck in a crappy semester of psych class, who knows, but i dont know one thing, we aren't!
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Jeeze, I apologize, my language is not that abstract. I didnt mean to cause any disturbance. However, that is precisely why most people I see who have intelligence waste it. It is because they are afraid of pissing people off lol. I see everyday talent in people who actually play themselves off as if they are airheaded. It baffled me for a while until it came to me why. Why? Because people get pissed at those who are easy with words. and the implication is, if you want to get along you either play dumb or shut up because people's ego's get bent out of shape due to insecurity. This has direct implications to technology, because it is those who can break "cliche here= to think out of the box and get out of the narrow mindedness" that make innovations. Dogmatism is good for authority they make good leaders but tehy just canot create because they just need to have things narrowede down to 1) their liking 2) to their specific needs.
AMD has INNOVATION as their motto, do you think they got their kick ass processors out of needing to make sure that there is only a narrow view? It didnt take creative imagination and conceptualization to create their processors? How about their way of fabricating? The way they make their processors is pretty ingenuitive and I dont think they developed that out of 'dogmatic concretism' it takes openmindedness and creativity in order to do such. And I am by far not stating that I am such. niether have i stated that i am any better than anyone or that my language is that far better which by far is not the case.
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