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Intel P4 vs AMD
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2. April 2006 @ 06:09 |
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tocool4u
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2. April 2006 @ 08:47 |
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Hey i was wondering if Intel Xeons are better in performance than Intel Pentium 4........I know that Xeons are usually used in servers because of there size and you could have like 40 in a server....
But i want to know if they are better than intel
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2. April 2006 @ 08:59 |
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They almost certainly are because they're server processors but you're not going to see the difference using a PC as a normal person would. For games. multimedia etc. an AMD dual core will outperform two of those xeons in a special motherboard, for well under half the price in a standard motherboard.
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2. April 2006 @ 09:04 |
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Intel zeons are P4's and the most recent are in fact Prescott cores! It's a game that CPU manufacturers play. They have the same core as the prescott wtih the only difference being that they are optimized to work in dual processor setup. Just about any if not all Dual Core AMD's will take any two of them.
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2. April 2006 @ 09:05 |
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I wouldn't mind betting an X2 4200+ will best a seriously more expensive Dual Xeon setup.
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2. April 2006 @ 09:42 |
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P4 based Xeons are just P4s unlocked for multiple processors in a slightly different package. They usually lag the P4 a little in performance. It depends on the type of Xeon and how many procs in a system. Dated technology.
A Pentium D would blow a Xeon away.
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2. April 2006 @ 09:45 |
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P4s would work fine in multiple proc configuration. Intel purposely dissables this capability so they can push up the server chip prices.
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2. April 2006 @ 10:14 |
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tocool4u,
I don't know a lot about the Xeons, but I had a dual P3 Slot 1 1GHz/512 Dell Precision Workstation and it was very fast. Of course when it was new about 6 years ago it was $5000. It was the best and most reliable computer I ever owned. I just wish I could find some Rambus 400 or 450 for it that's affordable. It has 512 in it now but I would like to kick it up to 2 GB for my housemate. Great machine as it had everything for it's day. Scsi, onboard and external. It had Raid for both SCSI and IDE with dual boot from the boot manager. All you had to do was select which of the 6 (or more) drives you wanted to boot from and go. You could have an operating system on each drive. At one time I had 98, 2000 and XP all installed on seperate drives. It had 4x AGP. It also had a removable hard drive cage, so adding or removing a drive was a snap! Damn thing weighed over 50 lbs. It was a great buy too! $165 from Electro-Rents when it was less than 3 years old. It never broke or crashed and the quality was outstanding. One tough SOB thats still going strong!
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2. April 2006 @ 12:31 |
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That must still run quite well with 2 1Ghz chips in it...
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2. April 2006 @ 13:34 |
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sammorris,
For sure! I would still be using it right now except that I got a great deal??? on a Case, MB and CPU combo. The funniest thing was that the MB didn't support the supplied Prescott CPU, only the Northwood! If I had known then what I know now I would have bought a Northwood CPU and not had to spend so much on fans and an expensive CPU Cooler! Oh well, The learning experience was Grrreat! (pun intended) With heavy emphasis on the Grrr! Wouldn't have missed it for the world though. I learned a lot, thanks to this forum and the people in it who helped me get it to where it is now. I don't know too many people who can get a 20% OC out of a 3.0/800 Prescott with no problems!
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2. April 2006 @ 17:18 |
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The P3 coppermines were good because they weren't locked against SMP use. I have a couple of dual P3 units in mothballs. They are the slowest of my Dual proc machines so they don't get used any more.
Donald
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2. April 2006 @ 18:46 |
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You guys rock, thanks for all the tips. Yea I finally saw the difference between those two pictures, lol. Took me a while.
Anyways I don't know my FSB for my CPU. All I know is that its an Athlon 64 3700+ San Deigo Core meaning its got a 1 MB Cache instead of a 512.
FSB now is sholding steady at 878.69 although all in all I was really hoping for 1000 lol.
I might try to do it manual in bios later, but for now I think i'll leave it as is.
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2. April 2006 @ 18:54 |
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1000MHz from an 800MHz FSB system? Don't think it's gonna happen. ;)
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2. April 2006 @ 22:13 |
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Brobear,
I don't think you could reach a 1000 fsb either on an 800 fsb MB. I'm at 960 now and I'm pretty well done. I could maybe get it to 965 but I wouldn't count on it. I had it up as high as 970 but had problems writing dVDs. Everything else worked good though and it didn't crash!
I said it before, and I'll say it again I don't see how a static pic can prove anything about how good a video card is. I can see everything thats there plus some things that others don't seem to see. The ATi pic is definately better, and there's no question that the 7800s wall looks blurry. The question is why, and is the pic representative of what it looks like in the game when you play it? By all rights this should be a very simple thing to program into the game. I mean it's straight lines with a minimal amount of colors, with no real complexities or action on the screen! To me it's not an ATi vs nVidia thing as I will be going ATi in the not too distant future, but it sure smells fishy to me. a scene like that should be a piece of cake for any decent video card. Am I hinting that I think the comparisum was skewed just a little bit in ATi's favor? You bet!!! That's the video card makers game. Make ours look better than theirs and hope that next week they don't do the same to you!
By the way I'm editing this post because I went back and looked at the pics again and discovered something very interesting. I would like someone to explain to me why the blue text is more fuzzy on the 7800 pic? This isn't a part of the game screen, it's been added by another graphics program to show what's what. All things being equal, it should look exactly the same and it doesn't! I tried adding text to a few different pics myself including these and the text was exactly the same!!! Nice and clear. If you blow it up, no matter what the pic the text looks exactly the same. If you keep blowing it up, the text starts to fall apart in each at the same time. Curious!!! If you don't believe me, try it yourself. Just save the image and open it with the Windows and Fax viewer. You will notice that the blue text on the 7800 side falls apart first and becomes less sharp than the text on the ATi as you increase the magnification. I'm not able to make it do this with 2 of the same pics using the text in PS7. Now why is that?? It's only one image so why the difference? Just my thoughts.
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2. April 2006 @ 22:53 |
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Fanboy? ;)
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2. April 2006 @ 22:57 |
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my system is on fsb 800? But my Mobo specs says its 2000 (really 1000).
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2. April 2006 @ 23:03 |
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I'm Back!!!
I went and did some more looking, only this time I had a few friends look too. To them it was a no brainer. Without asking, all said that it was not the same pic. They all felt that the 7800 pic had been doctored. The start point on the left side of the screen is exactly the same, yet the angle of the walls are different. Follow the yellowish fat line down the wall and you can clearly see the difference as you go forward. I didn't even notice that. Also at the very begining of the tunnel you can see something on the left side of the entrance wall that isn't there on the ATi pic. On the right side of the tunnel entrance wall, near the top there are 3 dark areas that don't appear on the ATi pic. I didn't coach them but just asked them to see what differences they could find. These are their observations, not mine. Only one of them noticed the text, but to a man they all said that it isn't the same pic. Either that or it had been doctored!
Again, I'm not trying to make a case for one video card over the other as they are both excellent cards. The three gentlemen in question are all Dentists and their eyes are much keener than mine, and in their profession they are used to looking for very small details. One of them even whipped out a Boley Guage (sort of a small, very precise ruler) to measure the differences. To a man, they all felt that the 7800 pic had been deliberately tampered with to make it appear worse!!!
I rest my case!!!
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2. April 2006 @ 23:32 |
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I'm always curious as to how comparisons are presented to the test panel. Sometimes a person inserts little messages to their panel without meaning to. When doing any such comparisons, it should be put into a blind and have different photos as well as the 2 you wanted inspected. Also, don't let anyone know why they're being checked out. You've already tainted your test pool. Can you find another? ;)
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There are aspects of the 2 pictures that vary and if one notices, in favor of both. However, the most noticable fault at normal resolution is with the blur of the lines in the GT photo. But if one looks to the other side of the tracks, the fence is more defined in the GT photo. Also at the top of the XL photo to the right of the [H], there is an anomaly not present in the GT photo. As I said, minor things that can be seen to favor both, but the worst fault still lies with the GT at native resolution.
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3. April 2006 @ 01:59 |
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I don't see any difference in the lettering, and besides, how is that a fair comparison? You're looking at different letters! That's like looking at a rock on a 7800GT and the sea on an X1800XL and pronouncing, "oh the sea looks better so the X1800 must be better".
With the naked eye that people play games with (funnily enough) I see no major differences other than the one I pointed out.
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3. April 2006 @ 04:46 |
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Brobear,
All I asked was for them to look at both pics and spot any differences. I didn't tell them what is was all about. I didn't show them the pic in AD, I showed them the image that I had saved and asked them to spot the differences. as far as the text goes, they were made with the same text generator from some graphics program like AseeDsee or PS7 and added to the pics to show which was which. The text should be exactly the same and it's not. The only meaningful question they asked was if I could make it bigger and I told them to press the + key on the numeric pad. I was in the kitchen making a pot of coffee at the time! After they pointed out what they saw different and were done I told them what they were looking at and why. That's when the coments about it not being the same pic or had been "edited" surfaced. Like I said before, I didn't snap to the fact that the perspective was somehow different, although one it was pointed out to me, I realized they were right. Another thing they mentioned or rather asked was why they appeared to be different pics since they were supposed to be the same. You can clearly see the difference in angles as you look at them, even in native size. The text difference (my eyes are not as good as theirs) was why they asked for magnification. As you increase the size the blue text looks more out of focus betwee the 2.
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3. April 2006 @ 05:12 |
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I believe that I posted a link to a second testing and it too stated that the ATI card had better video qaulity. I think that you've already searched the net trying to find a conatradiction and since you don't seem to have found one the still shots must be true.
Below is the link that verifies ATI's 1000 series cards video superiority over Nvidia's current releases. BTW, extreme tech is a reputable tech site.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1916973,00.asp
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3. April 2006 @ 05:26 |
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And I'll take that from you Sophocles. I may not believe someone with "newbie" under their status, but I'm wise enough to know you don't mess people around!
I don't really see how you'd get these pics exactly the same though, It's a still shot taken from a game, not just displaying a still shot or we'd all see it differently. Given that someone's had to match these up by running the game twice, I can't see how you'd get it 100% identical anyway. As for the text I'm not sure what's happened there, maybe by chance they used a different program to add it in. That may alter the image slightly, but not to the extent of causing that slanted wall glitch.
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3. April 2006 @ 05:45 |
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I suspect that the entire scene showing the bricks fading into the distance is the same throughout all of the frames that show it. The real gain with ATI is its ability to de-interlace video. That means that any video that is broadcast on TV, DVD with interlaced video and that's everything that was made for TV first and then moved to
DVD video.
Nvidia has produced cards that have produced better video than ATI but most often for video quality ATI has won. A lot of ATI's video superiority probabl stems from their experience with TV tuners and ATI's all in wonder cards.
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3. April 2006 @ 05:49 |
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Yeah, I was going to say, you don't see anything other than standard Vivo on nvidia cards. I don't know what the QuadroFX cards are like, but they don't sound particularly multi-purpose. Besides, ATi have the FireGL AS WELL as their Avivo and all in wonder creations. I don't really see the point in having 4-5 extra frames per second for the sake of a lower quality picture.
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