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As for the X2 4800+, it might be wise to wait until late June. There's going to be a "13 to 50 percent price reduction for all AMD X2 processors" this month, and no doubt the price will drop again once the AM2 variants, including the FX-62 appear. Once they're out you could get a 4600+ for a very reasonable price, or even a 4800, since there'll be three CPUs sitting above it.
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Thanks i was just about to buy 2 X2's one for a computer im building and another for this one which i am going to upgrade but now i will wait a little longer, thanks
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Does Intel still make processors,lol i havent seen them in a bestbuy,circuit city or comp usa sale paper in like 6 months i wonder how they feel about that.......
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There will always be another cpu around the corner. If you want faster then you have then buy today. If the newer procs are that much better then goody. Time to upgrade again.
You don't have to buy the fastest to get the fastest. A good midrange choice and an overclock will get you the same speed as the top dollar procs. The 1000 dollar processors are for bragging rights only.
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The 3.4 EE Gallatin proc would be a collectors item but it is way to slow to bring a lot of extra money when you can get much faster for cheaper.
I have may such expensive collectors items in my office. Can't bear to sell them for the nothing that they bring.
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@64026402
yes, i understand that those socket 478 EE's i have are more of a "collectors item" as you stated, but for any avid "collector" of rare/difficult to find cpus, it's quite a diamond in the rough...and to be one of the few "kids on the block" that have the know-how and capabilities of overclocking it (i certainly would NOT fall under that category), it might prove to be a nice new "project" that would be fairly impressive in today's standard for an older chipset~ :)
there are PLENTY of cpus that will blow my EEs away, that is a fact, but i just figured i would put it out there for brobear as it seems like he is very fond of the Northwood core, Gallatin cores they might be labelled as, but they are based on the Northwood core rather than the Prescott, which incidentally i have found to be running hotter and slower than the Northwoods i have built in the past (my personal opinion of course, i've built plenty of computers in the past, but don't have the know-how to overclock any of them...) :)
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Interesting, but as I stated earlier, even the best of single cores aren't economically feasible when dual cores are priced so reasonably. The Donald pointed that out as well within the past couple of pages.
A couple of years ago in their prime, the Northwoods and Gallatins were king of the hill. I'm fond of the one I have and it was a decent price on the Northwood when I got it. Even at that price ($265), I wouldn't run out and buy another. Here's a link to the CPU you were discussing and this one is the 3.4GHz 2MB L3 Cache version. http://www.starmicro.net/detail.aspx?ID=556 I suspect they're pulls, but they're about half price ($525) of a new retail item. They were priced higher, but they dropped the prices drastically. Guess they couldn't sell many at the higher prices. I wonder how many they'll sell at the current prices. (Poor warranty unless extra is purchased.) The CPU I have is $250 less and for old tech, I don't see the improvement being worth it.
If I didn't point it out, I started out updating an older Dell I have setting around as "the workhorse". It was supposed to be just an upgrade, not a new build. I'm anticipating a dual core build sometime in the not so distant future. (I'm not so anxious to buy in right now.) I went ahead and bought the supporting hardware for the new custom, I don't see those parts changing drastically. All I needed was the mobo to be able to play with the parts and Northwood while waiting for the dual core build. I picked up a Radeon card to keep from robbing another PC. I wish I could have picked up one at the current prices, but even those are PCIe and not the AGP I needed.
As for OC(ing), I wish I'd started doing it sooner. With mild OC(s) it doesn't strain the system and it's an easy way to pick up some extra performance. With mine the memory starts to suffer if I push it too far, so I keep it clocked below the stable upper limits. Full load for hours and it only climbs up to 40C while outperforming the 3.8GHz Prescotts and FX-57 AMDs. To tell the truth, without revisiting the posted benches, The FX-57 wins at Arithmetic and the P4 Nortwood takes Multimedia. So, the Northwood is holding it's own with a mild OC. I still wouldn't buy another one though, unless it was a real deal of course. ;)
I'm curious as to how the Gallatin (with a little OCing) would compare to the Northwood, but not curious enough to lay out any big bucks. So, I'll not insult you with any lowball offers. I've got some overpriced relics laying around that I could never sell for what I invested. So, I think I know a little about how you (and The Donald) feel about parting with some of "the collection".
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Baltekmi,
What are you smoking, Dude. By the time AMD gets done with Intel in Court, Intel will be paying for most of AMD's R & D. They have a list of Corporate execs a mile long who have made statements about Intel's vindictive policies and they are all going to be subpenaed. The list of legitimate complaints against Intel is very long. The least of which is "Restraint of Trade", Unfair Business Practices, Corporate blackmail and a whole raft of other things. AMDs are going to rule for a long time to come. It's payback time!!!
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Whatcha smokin' Dude? Most of what you'll get from execs that might be damaging would be from disgruntled employees. As the old saying goes, "I know I sure wouldn't bite the hand that feeds me." Lawyers are paid to hang litigation in court so long, maybe the grandkids of the AMD execs will see the dough. I suspect there'll be some rinky dink settlement similar to what Gates was hit with. Maybe big by the working man's standards, but not much in the corporate world, nothing that will really hurt anything. Then I may be wrong, often am. But at this point it's still speculation. We'll know when we see the rulings.
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sammorris, great info iam leaning towards the 2x4800+ AMD anyway so i can def. wait a couple months
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If you really think that the lawsuit is going to amount to anything but a slap on the wrist, I will start smoking! there is always going to be amd and intel. I am intel fan and I show it. The the never ending ladder " cpu at the top" will be traded back and forth forever with out any one reaching the clouds. we will always be waiting for that next best. But as soon as we have it, there is a new next best coming out.
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i totally agree with your points and The Donald's as well, the chips i have right now are somewhat of a "relic" by today's standards and i agree that if one were to have "deep pockets," then the extra price paid to have a "collector's item" might be worth it~ :)
but, realistically speaking, when i was trying to sell them a few months back, i was asking very close to the starmicro amount that you had linked~ :) i am pretty confident that the ones starmicro are listing on their website are definitely "system pulls" or the OEM version which only has the 1-year Intel warranty~ or possibly worse, a 30-day warranty as i've seen some places/online retailers claim :) mine happens to be retail box version, with the Intel 3-year warranty, not that it would matter all that much to the avg. consumer, but technically we are dealing with 2 different "lines" in Intel's product coding~
anyways, i'm not trying to dump these chips off to anyone and rip them off, basic research on the web will justify the relative "value" and "current market cost" on these chips; i was, at the time, offering them between $500-$600 shipped via Priority Mail w/ full insurance for that price~ :)
i think i will take your advice brobear and juss keep these 2 puppies in my "collection," you can imagine how taken aback i was when ebay members were offering a "best offer" of $300 not too long ago, to ME personally, they are worth much more than that...some ebay dude even offered me $150 shipped since it was "used", i was laughing for about 10 min. straight while holding the chip in my hands~ :) LOL
if you do a quick search on ebay, most sellers are fairly reasonable about pricing and they are hoping for a bidding war to up the price, for example, this guy...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6867809423&rd=...
buy it now of $675 and his reserve was not met @$455~ :)
or this guy for a RETAIL NEW 3.2ghz EE
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6866812556&ssP...
still going up in price very close to the $500 range~ :)
or this guy @$305 right now for a "used" version with 6 days left!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6868495341&ssP...
well, no need for me to bore you further with my quick ebay searches, i can't personally justify a viable offer of less than $500 for either one of my EEs...i think i'll just store them away safely and rebuild an "old/antique" system later down the road for fun~ :) ah, the memories of old technology~ :)
have a good one all~
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Baltekmi & Brobear,
Just kidding about the "smoking"! I agree that by the average persons standards the settlement will be huge but by corporate standards it won't amount to much. After all this is the U.S.A., home of the "Best Justice money can buy"! Still with all the ballywho about the Conroe "beating out" the AMD with a hand-picked CPU and MB for Intel and a lame MB for the AMD it seems to me that if Intel had something really "Bad", they would have put it out there and let it speak for itself. That's pretty much what AMD has done.
It's not just disgruntled employees it's execs and CEOs who have seen their market share shrink because of the "blackmail" Intel uses. Far too many people in high places have bitched and leaked things to the press complaining, and now they are going to have to go into court and what? Deny they said the quoted things. I mean, what is HP & Compaq going to do, say they were never offered a million "free" CPUs. What possible excuse could they use to justify that? They even made their own situation worse by accepting the ones that they did take and then turning down the rest of the deal. I think any Judge in his right mind would love to hear the answer to that one!
Look at the Dell/Alienware deal. Do you think Dell is going to bring out a front line "Gamer" with Intel Inside on the cover. Not very likely! I don't know how things are where you all come from but here in So Cal, AMDs rule lan parties and the market is huge! If Dell did go ahead and do that, Alienware would become a tax write-off!
I fully expect Intel to bounce back, but I don't see them ever again being in the position they once were, at least not in market share. Right now AMD has the superior product and you can bet your bippie that they haven't been basking in their glory without new and more sophisticated CPUs waiting in the wings, ready to meet and beat the competition. Let's just hope that they don't make the same dumb mistakes that Intel did!
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Unless they've changed, some of the top gamers are still using Intel. Also, Alienware has a high-end Intel gamer. AMDs are good and they have bragging rights for now, but they're not THAT good. Benches aren't everything.
By the way, I'm not cheering for either side. Both AMD and Intel make a good product. As I've stated before, if I was buying now, it would be either an AMD dual core CPU for a custom or an Intel Duo Core Centrino laptop for those times when I'm away from home. Since I'm not needing a building "fix" immediately, I can wait to see what's on the market later this year. Also, with the duo core laptops, I hate to pay those high prices for the "new product". I'm gonna wait till the prices drop.
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Leave it to The Donald to google up the best prices. I don't know how he does it sometimes. With my luck, everything on eBay gets jacked up.
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If I'd seen something like that before the dual cores, I would have bought at those prices. Now though, it doesn't make sense performance wise.
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i really wasn't expecting to get my asking price for the EEs, after some convincing by you and brobear, i've decided to keep my chips~ :) thanks for the advice...
as to the ebay seller for $340, while he may be totally legit, his feedback alone, of 3 @100%, would warrant ME personally not to risk buying from him, but that's just me ...
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Leave it to The Donald to google up the best prices. I don't know how he does it sometimes. With my luck, everything on eBay gets jacked up
i'm very much in the same boat as you LOL, whenever i go looking for stuff, it's just MY luck as well that prices get jacked up~! it's good to know we have such a "google-master" amongst us to find THE best prices for components...thanks donald~
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LOL Pay with a US postal money order. If the vendor doesn't deliver as stated, you have eBay and then you can turn the US Postal Inspector's office loose on him. I initiated two cases and they grilled the culprits. They cursed and then refunded my money. The PIs take anything messing with the postal service as a major offense (which it is). ;) That's one protection people seem to overlook. I took it as one of eBay's suggestions.
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Brobear,
In this part of the world AMD rules. Even in Hollywood, most computer graphics houses use AMD. Check out "Spy Kids 3" in the 2D version. AMD even gets a nice plug along the way as you blast under the AMD logo! Not the best movie in the world but it's the best 3D graphics I've ever seen in 2D, period!!! The dimentionality is beyond belief. It looked great on my old monitor but on my Sceptre widescreen, it's mind boggling!
It's true that Alienware does make a top line Intel Gamer but most of what they sell is AMD. Considering what they charge for front line stuff, it's not their price either that makes them popular. Here in So Cal, it's the "Gamers Dream Machine"! I've seen many Alienware AMD computers at lan parties but I've never seen their Intel version at all other than in their adds. Since I don't have a spare $10,000 plus, I guess I won't buy one of each to find out which is better! He He!
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I didn't take it personaly.
Again I must say The kentsfield quad core is gong to be somthing.
Check these prices coming up for amd. You all probaly know already though. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30738
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baltekmi,
It wasn't meant to be personal. As Joe Friday used to say, "just the facts"! By the way, there are a few more options available for the Alienware AMDs than for the Intel. Their top line game machines are roughly $5700 for the full bore AMD and $4700 for the Intel. I would gather that either one of them would get a gamer's undies wet!!!
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LOL What can I say, California is California after all and Hollywood has it's own spin on the world. ;) Hate Republicans, vote in radicals, try to change the constitution and love AMDs as they're fighting the monopolistic Intel. We need Babs and her TV Prez in the White House. ;) Don't we love all the causes? LOL (I avoided the good causes so I don't offend anyone's feelings. I'm trying to be a more gentle and caring Brobear these days. LOL)
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I can't imagine spending 4000.00 for a gaming machine when my 1200.00 setup plays them all at full graphics... lowly p-4 3.2?
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Lol go on then baltekmi, Play Age of Empires 3 at high detail on that system.... Two 7900GTXs, SLi, 28 frames per second. This is why graphics technology is going out of control, so are games producers!!!
Much though I'd like to see Intel's ass kicked for all time due to their real unfair business practices, I can't see it amounting to anything really major, although there's no doubt in my mind that the Conroe core won't match up to the Windsor. As for the Kentsfield, I've no idea what AMD is planning to do about an "X4" CPU, but you'd be pretty safe in the assumption that they're not sitting on their backsides about it. I'm all in favour of competition and lower prices, but at the end of the day I support the AMD case. Intel have just abused their previous dominant market position and putting out inferior CPUs because 90% of the population don't know any better. When people go into PC stores and get told "we'd recommend the Athlon64 processor since it's faster and more efficient" we might finally start getting somewhere. I really don't see what the fascination with intel is and their damned Prescott/Smithfield cores.
Northwood/Gallatin Intel fans, fine I can see that, but these people who think that a Prescott running at 65C on a powerful heatsink whilst being trounced by a Sempron64 need to tighten up their screws methinks.
Couldn't help but notice the "produced by HP labs with AMD opteron processor" logo at the bottom of the Shrek 2 credits a few months back... Pixar known their place!
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Northwood/Gallatin Intel fans, fine I can see that, but these people who think that a Prescott running at 65C on a powerful heatsink whilst being trounced by a Sempron64 need to tighten up their screws methinks.
i likes the way you think...LOL i would have to agree with you on that one completely...
i just got an AMD 4400+ this past month, everything on my system is completely "stock" thus far, no OC'in or modification yet, but it ALREADY blows away the Prescott core my friend has in an almost identical setup (ie. ram, gpu card, heatsink/fan, powersupply), the only thing different is naturally the chipset (mobo) and the cpu itself~ :) i've built a prescott system in the past, but i sold it shortly after the build once i saw my gallatin's run circles around it in everyday applications that i used the computer for...
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p.s. i am neither a fan of any particular Intel or AMD chips on a whole, since i have both, they each serve their own purposes well...but i am definitely NOT a fan of Prescott cores by Intel, that's for sure...
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For the record bechmarks aren't why I purchased my first Venice core. I got it because it would encode CCE twice as fast as the fastest P4. Ask Sophocles. He started it. P4 is dead.
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