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picture some times freezes & blocky
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loaded71
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23. February 2003 @ 12:43 |
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some of the movies i have backed up play fine on one dvd player but on my other dvd player they freeze up or go blocky at any givin time of the movie i tryied all types of media so if anyone else have had this problem please let me know thanks
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jack11
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25. February 2003 @ 14:58 |
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haveing the same problem here i am useing smart ripper . dvd2one . and prassi to burn , and vivastar discs .with about 50% playing ok . can any one help. ty
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malum
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26. February 2003 @ 00:55 |
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If they play fine on the PC then it's media.
Some standalones are picky about what they play, some aren't and when they are picky the film freezes and gets blocky especially towards the end of the film
You say you've tried all types of media, what have you tried?
Burn at 1x if you aren't already.
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jack11
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26. February 2003 @ 06:02 |
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the only one i have tryed is vivastar the first time i play one on the standalone it playes ok but then the second time thay start to freeze and some are blocky could you tell me were 2 buy discs that dont do this ty for any help
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malum
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26. February 2003 @ 06:08 |
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The what have you tried question was aimed at loaded.
I use Datasafe 2X with the rytek dye. They cost about 80p each from http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk
I write everything at 1x
If you are in the UK they are a good bet.
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josh-j
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9. March 2003 @ 08:45 |
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I have had the same problem. After some time the movie freeze. I am pretty sure that the problem is the dvd player and NOT the media you store the movie on. The problem is that the converter of your dvd player gets to hot. If you turn your dvd player off and start it again after a while the movie playes just fine the same spot where the problem was last time - right? When the problem comes again try eject the disk and cool the dvd player off (ex. hair dryer whit cool air) after a minut start the dvd player again and the problem is gone. If this is the solution for you then bye some small ventilators (computers) and put it in the dvd player - all further problems solved. I like to hear if you got the same result.
Reason why it gets to hot: Try look at the output file of the dvdxcopy and compere it whit the original. A lot of small files and somtimes the movie is longer that the orginal. All this puts your DVD player to it limits and it will get to hot after a while.
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josh-j
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9. March 2003 @ 08:45 |
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I have had the same problem. After some time the movie freeze. I am pretty sure that the problem is the dvd player and NOT the media you store the movie on. The problem is that the converter of your dvd player gets to hot. If you turn your dvd player off and start it again after a while the movie playes just fine the same spot where the problem was last time - right? When the problem comes again try eject the disk and cool the dvd player off (ex. hair dryer whit cool air) after a minut start the dvd player again and the problem is gone. If this is the solution for you then bye some small ventilators (computers) and put it in the dvd player - all further problems solved. I like to hear if you got the same result.
Reason why it gets to hot: Try look at the output file of the dvdxcopy and compere it whit the original. A lot of small files and somtimes the movie is longer that the orginal. All this puts your DVD player to it limits and it will get to hot after a while.
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josh-j
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9. March 2003 @ 08:45 |
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I have had the same problem. After some time the movie freeze. I am pretty sure that the problem is the dvd player and NOT the media you store the movie on. The problem is that the converter of your dvd player gets to hot. If you turn your dvd player off and start it again after a while the movie playes just fine the same spot where the problem was last time - right? When the problem comes again try eject the disk and cool the dvd player off (ex. hair dryer whit cool air) after a minut start the dvd player again and the problem is gone. If this is the solution for you then bye some small ventilators (computers) and put it in the dvd player - all further problems solved. I like to hear if you got the same result.
Reason why it gets to hot: Try look at the output file of the dvdxcopy and compere it whit the original. A lot of small files and somtimes the movie is longer that the orginal. All this puts your DVD player to it limits and it will get to hot after a while.
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josh-j
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9. March 2003 @ 08:46 |
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I have had the same problem. After some time the movie freeze. I am pretty sure that the problem is the dvd player and NOT the media you store the movie on. The problem is that the converter of your dvd player gets to hot. If you turn your dvd player off and start it again after a while the movie playes just fine the same spot where the problem was last time - right? When the problem comes again try eject the disk and cool the dvd player off (ex. hair dryer whit cool air) after a minut start the dvd player again and the problem is gone. If this is the solution for you then bye some small ventilators (computers) and put it in the dvd player - all further problems solved. I like to hear if you got the same result.
Reason why it gets to hot: Try look at the output file of the dvdxcopy and compere it whit the original. A lot of small files and somtimes the movie is longer that the orginal. All this puts your DVD player to it limits and it will get to hot after a while.
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malum
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9. March 2003 @ 10:07 |
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if it were the DVD player it would happen with original discs as well. Also it would be very poorly designed if it overheated all the time.
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"Try look at the output file of the dvdxcopy and compere it whit the original. A lot of small files and somtimes the movie is longer that the orginal. All this puts your DVD player to it limits and it will get to hot after a while."
and this is nonsensical, small files are no more difficult to play than large ones and longer films are no more difficult to play (except on bad media where the laser is travelling past the pits faster at the edge of the disc)
In the case of freezing near the end of the film (or anywhere with really crap media) it is almost always a media problem and absolutely nothing to do with heat.
A possible exception might be if you use your DVD player on top of the oven
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josh-j
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9. March 2003 @ 12:12 |
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Malum!
You are not right! I HAD THE SAME PROBLEMS - after installing a small ventilator in my dvd player (united 3151) there is NO problems. The United dvd player 3151 has no ventilator.
The converter has to work almost twice as much whit dvdxcopy files than whit normal one´s. You are right about the original movie. If the copy movie freezes and you put the original in the dvd player it works fine - thats why it took me some time to find the problems. It´s ok if you dont belive me (your problem) but that is the problem. If you are so smart then tell me why
the dvd player stops at a diffrent place each time and some time plays the movie whitout any problems?? It is NOT the media and it is not the burn program - IT IS A HEATING PROBLEM.
A dvd player has a cpu like a computer and the computer cpu has a cooling system!!!!!!!
why - because when it works it gets hot and need to cool down! Open your DVD player and have a look - did you find a cooling system???
Why dont let the people whit the problems try what i suggest - the will tell you that i am right!
And - i havent designed the dvd players. Some have power enough and dont get hot - others dont have the same power or cooling system!
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josh-j
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9. March 2003 @ 12:20 |
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Malum! And if you are right about the media - why has this guy then the same problems after trying almost every kind off media???
Try disconet your cooling system from the
Graphics Processor and play a game - what happens - the picture freeze, gets slow or bad and finaly burns out!!! What does the processor do??? right! - the same as a converter in a dvd player!
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malum
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9. March 2003 @ 23:31 |
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Why would the converter have to work twice as hard for a copied movie? Most of which actually have less files than an original and the files that are there are exactly the same as the original
The only reason I can think of that would cause a player to work harder is for error correction on bad media which would be done away with if decent media were used, in which case fitting extra cooling may help but it still means your player is working at it's limits trying to correct all the errors introduced by bad media. If you have a DVD player that can't cope with error correction without overheating then you need a new DVD player.
When someone states that they have tried all types of media I want to know exactly what they have tried (which is why I asked him that very question) as it normally means 'I have tried the three cheapest types and maybe a branded disc' All of which may not have the best dye type on them.
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josh-j
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10. March 2003 @ 00:37 |
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This is from the moderator of DVDxcopy:
Let me try and explain the complexities of IFO re-authoring:
1. An IFO file is a roadmap to a DVD, whether it is a DVD-5 or a DVD-9
2. DVD-5's are simple to backup and in fact can be done quite simply using other software freely available.
3. DVD-9's are much harder to backup and I will try to explain why:
Let's suppose that a DVD-9 is composed of 10 title sets. Some are less, but many are more, but for this example, we'll use 10.
The actual movie is only contained in 5 of these title sets, with the other 5 being menus, trailers and special features.
Let's say the IFO file instructs the DVD Player to begin playing at title set 1. This is the FBI disclaimer. Now, the IFO instructs the player to play the second title set (2) which is another disclaimer. When that's finished, the IFO instructs the DVD Player to play the third title set (3). This third title set is a trailer of some upcoming release. At the end of this third title set, the IFO file instructs the DVD Player to play the fifth (5) title set. (No, I didn't skip over # 4) This is the menu title set. Now when the user presses the play button in the menu, the IFO file instructs the DVD Player to play the fourth (4) title set which is a THX trailer. At the end of the THX trailer, the IFO file instructs the player to play the sixth (6) title set which is the beginning of the main movie.
Did you follow that? 1->2->3->5->4->6 (the IFO file instructs the PGC or program chain in a series of events, which by the way in many cases can be interrupted by the user, like when you press the menu button on your remote)
A DVD-9 is actually two pressed (not burned) layers of media with a physical break in between them. You can't see the layer break, but it is there. Each layer can hold approx 4.7 billion bytes of data.
Your DVD Player sees these individual layers and can access them instantaneously. So when it needs to jump between title sets it can do so very easily.
This is a simplistic example but nonetheless, can be quite revealing, once you understand it.
Let's say that title set five (5) the main menu, is on the first layer, BUT title set four (4) (the THX trailer) is on the second layer. And then title six (6) the main movie, begins back on the first layer. Your DVD Player can easily jump between these two layers and bridge the IFO instructions to play these in sequence.
NOT SO EASY for DVD X COPY. DVD X COPY must follow (walk) the PGC (program chain) and in some cases make best guess determinations as to which title is which. And in fact, we have to re-author the IFO file, so that it doesn't jump to title four (4) WHICH IS NOW on disc 2 (because we want to fit as much, if not all of the movie on disc one).
But as a user, you expect to select PLAY on the menu and have it start the movie.
And here's where it gets really complicated. We can of course code this for each DVD title, because once you see the title (let's say in IFOEDIT) it becomes quite obvious which title sets need to be re authored. BUT, when you're trying to do this ON THE FLY, and let the program decide, it becomes VERY COMPLICATED.
Add to that, some players will ignore obvious IFO errors and others will not. That is why some of you can play a backup in your player perfectly, while others will experience wild and erratic playback behavior.
The good news is, we've managed to come up with a code base that will address most of the DVD titles on the market. And we will continue to refine the code base and make it smarter over time.
Someone once posted in this forum that DVD X COPY just needs to do ONE THING and ONE THING ONLY! Why can't it just do that ONE THING PERFECTLY?
Put simply, DVD X COPY is NOT doing just one thing. It is actually doing many things. It has to proactively adapt to hundreds of DVD authoring techniques and split movies, titles, features, and menus over two PHYSICALLY separate layers. And re author in such a way that the IFO file is interpreted by every compatible player on the market.
This might look something like this in a mathematical formula:
DVDXCOPY * DVD TITLES * DVD PLAYERS (The * means multiplied by) If you take just 5000 (five thousand) DVD titles and 100 (one hundred) players, the possible permutations that DVD X COPY must proactively adapt to are 500,000 (five hundred thousand) possibilities.
This is like trying to make an engine part for a car, which would automatically fit every car, make and model on the street today.
NOW ADD all the possible computer configurations, hardware and OS configurations and user error possibilities, and maybe you can begin to understand why it didn't work for everyone out of the box.
BUT, we ARE going to accomplish this massive feat. It's already in the works to develop a massive global database that will pre-define title sets for a specific DVD title and will allow DVD X COPY to work flawlessly, for everyone, first time out of the box. This is part of the foundation of our code base for the platinum edition.
Until that time, we will continue our efforts to provide the best quality DVD backup product on the market and will not rest until we achieve that level of distinction and excellence.
Thanks for reading a very long post :)
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malum
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10. March 2003 @ 02:26 |
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That's very nice but it doesn't back up anything you have said about a copy being more complicated than the original for the DVD player, it's just marketing spiel to make you think that DVDxcopy is doing lots of stuff for the money. It's output is no more of a strain for a DVD player than the original disc.
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josh-j
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10. March 2003 @ 21:01 |
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Malum.....
I gues you are that kind of a person that thinks that dvd is the same as the old VHS. And that dvd´s are not encrupted and that dvd players are analog readers that dont have to work. You will only hear your own saying! to say that the output file of dvdxcopy is the same as the original is enouhg for me....you dont know what you are talking about! END OF STORY FOR ME!
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malum
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10. March 2003 @ 23:21 |
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You are clearly not very well versed in the structure of DVDs so I will leave you to put cooling fans in your DVD players so they can cope with the discs you are making with DVDXcopy.
Have fun
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nqq
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14. March 2003 @ 05:50 |
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After reading this thread I tried holding a fan over a portable player that always froze in the same place with a dvd-r that I burnt. The fan didn't make any difference.
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malum
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14. March 2003 @ 05:57 |
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Maybe you could try pouring ice cold water into the vents in the player?
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T2K
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14. March 2003 @ 10:34 |
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cheap dvd players have higher playback rates and more compatibility than most expensive players with dvd-rs and vcd/svcd. for example my freinds 180$ panasonic player wont play dvd-r svcd/vcd's. another freind's 35.00$ player from target plays any thing you can through at it. Just from my experiance this seems to be very true.
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14. March 2003 @ 14:10 |
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My Sony NS305 has an excellent compensator & I think the dual laser pick up helps me to have never had this blocky/green pixalating but one of my friends has,he owns a MIRROR DVD Player and it is very very fussy about which media it will accept !
I paid £140 for Sony NS305 and three other mates bought the same model after me cos it plays everything you sling at it...so in response - I DISAGREE that cheap/less expensive DVD Players have higher compatibility
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T2K
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14. March 2003 @ 14:46 |
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I didn?t say this was a fact I said that this is just from my experience with dealing with theses things. I'm sorry you forked out all your money and got ripped off, that?s not my fault. all im saying is A lot of technology and stuff that?s out there has there dirty little secret's and this i believe is one of them "you don't have to believe me" but I keep running into the same situation over and over.I also think that?s one of the reasons stand alone players are going down in price so quickly. I personally own a klh and never had not ONE problem with it when playing svcd's or cheap dvd-rs.
ps. Please don't take this personally just because you forkt out all kinds of money for dvd player.
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14. March 2003 @ 14:46 |
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I agree with herbsman.
I had a $70 JVC and the DVD-R's were pixelated (blocky) and froze at different spots every time. I tried a Toshiba, and a sony (not sure what models) and they played the movies without a skip.
My JVC did not say it was compatible with DVD-R's so I figured I was lucky that I got anything to play at all on it. The players that actually say that they are compatible with DVD-R/+R should always work with burned DVD's. Just like when CD-R's first came out....Some high priced CD players wouldn't play them, but some newer cheaper models that were built to take them did. Now anything worth crap will play CD-R/Rw. I think the manufacturer's are playing catch up.
All in all, I think it's the best bet to buy electronics with the widest compatibility guaranteed on the box.
And as for putting a cooling fan on your DVD player becuase burned DVD's make the player work harder....My old Sylvannia (piece of junk brand) started pixelating on store bought DVD's and it finally overheated and burned itself out (Or whatever), so I learned my lesson not to buy cheap players. ( Ok after I bought my JVC is when I actually learned, but my point is still the same) YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
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T2K
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14. March 2003 @ 14:57 |
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I disagree, your probably dealing with old out dated players all the new ones I have ran into with a 40 to 70$ price range are some of the best stand alone dvd players I have ever ran into and I test dvd-r and svcd's on all the brand new dvd players i can find and Ive found alot of them
ps. ohh yeah whats this whole thing about dvd players overheating Ive had my 40$ player for over 5 months now and it runs cool to the touch, but seriously should I be worried about my dvd player catching my house on fire or what
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HomerJay
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14. March 2003 @ 15:29 |
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What brand of cheap players are you having luck with?
I would like to get by with a cheaper model, but I haven't had much luck.
P.S. My DVD Player that overheated, was in the same cabinet with my reciever which was always on. Recievers run hot, but DVD players usually don't. I think this is why my player overheated.
Ohhhh, They have the Internet on computers Now.
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