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DVD Burner Problem!
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DiRect
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8. November 2005 @ 11:06 |
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Hi,
Ok, let me explain this to you guys in brief because it's really long.
- I recieved a new burner (replacement order) so it's the same burner as I had before, but this one for some reason (NERO says) can burn Dual Layer DVD's as well (my other one couldn't)
- I burned a DVD at 2x, it worked fine in my DVD Player.
- I burner a DVD at 4x, because NERO said I could burn at 4x, so I burned at 4x, and it only worked on the computer not on my standalone DVD Player.
- I assumed it was because my DVD-R's could only burn at 2x (video) so I bought 8x RIDATA DVD-R, and burned something at 4x and now it still doesn't work in my DVD player, but works fine on the computer.
- I checked my drive speed using NERO and it said I can write at 8.0X (used the NERO InfoTool)
Now, I am really puzzled because this burner is the same one as the one I had before, but has more capabilities somehow. It should/can burn at 8x, but then the dvd's don't work in my DVD player. So, is this a problem with my Nero InfoTool (giving me wrong information), or is there some other problem? Is it maybe because my standalone has some kind of caps or something? It's kind of weird, if anyone knows whats happening and can help, it would be greatly appreciated.
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DiRect
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DiRect
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8. November 2005 @ 11:31 |
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Just to add to that, found a website that explains the specifications of my burner.
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=12429
It's actually from HL-DS, but thats a company of LG, so its the same burner. It says it should be able to burn DVD-R's at upto 16x.
Guess it must be some kind of problem with my Standalone DVD Player, I have a DV-750 Model from Sharp, anyone know if there is something on my DVD or my burned DVD that is not supported by my DVD Player?
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DiRect
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8. November 2005 @ 11:56 |
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Hi,
Just to update on the situation, I checked my DVD speed (the actual media) with Nero and it can burn at a max of 8x (it jumped to burning at 8x right away). My burner (I updated the firmware just right now) can now better burn the DVD's (haven't tested another DVD). It's capapable of burning at a speed of 16x. Now, can anyone help? I think that is enough information. Using WinXP
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DiRect
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Lyoooha
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8. November 2005 @ 12:56 |
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If your burner does not have latest firmware, Id suggest you update.
DVD-R might not play on standalone because of compatability issues. Did you ever try DVD+R? (they can be booktyped, which would increase compatability)
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DiRect
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8. November 2005 @ 13:43 |
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I am burning on DVD-R's so I know my DVD Player is compatible with it. The DVD's play just fine on the computer. Anyone know what is wrong? I already updated the firmware for the DVD RAM.
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laddyboy
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9. November 2005 @ 15:42 |
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Try a different brand of media, limiting yourself to Verbatim, Maxell (labeled made in Japan), Fuji (miJ), Sony, or Taiyo Yuden. Sometimes some burners don't like some media. You're right to burn at 4x speeds though to increase the likelihood of a quality burn. Also as Lyoooha suggested, try +R media since it can be booktyped to DVD-ROM. Find a media that works both with your burner and your player and stick to it. There could be a problrm with either your burner or standalone, but we won't know until you try some other media. You might also try using DVD Decrypter for burning instead of Nero. Just output an iso image file from Nero or DVD Shrink and then burn that with DVD Decrypter. I assume you have updated Nero to 6.6.0.16. You might also try a RW blank and see what happens there as well.
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10. November 2005 @ 05:29 |
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@DiRect
I have the same LG GSA 4163B that you have. The current firmware version is A105. Is this what you have?
I don't burn any faster than 4x cause I want to have quality over quantity. Others do. Individual preference, but I have not had a coaster in over 200 burns since reducing my burn speed.
I use 8x +R media and booktype to DVD-ROM and they play in anyting that I have put them in to play.
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DiRect
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10. November 2005 @ 08:18 |
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Hi,
What do you mean by "booktype" to DVD-ROM? I am burning at 4x, and really, if it wasn't burning properly, then it would not play on the computer either, but it does play on the computer but just not on the DVD Player.
About the media problem, I have 2 or 3 other burned DVD's on the same media (except they were 4x discs and not 8x discs) but they were burned at 2x and they work just fine on my DVD Player. Even those 4x discs, if I burned them on 4x, they didn't work on my standalone. Only 2x has worked so it has to be a problem with my DVD Player or the burner is maybe burning it wrong. Also, could it be because I am doing "Quick Copy" in Nero (burning one disc onto a blank one) that it does something to make it not work in the DVD Player? Also, I don't think my DVD Player supports +R (yep, it's really old). Well, it can't be Nero or direct copy otherwise it wouldn't work on the computer (the files on the DVD are all valid DVD files, I already checked all that) and my computer also recognizes that its a DVD. Any help now? I use a Sharp DV-750 so if you can help it would be greatly appreciated.
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DiRect
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laddyboy
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10. November 2005 @ 08:47 |
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Burners will almost nearly recognize a disk they burned. The same cannot be said for standalone players. Given a new one that'll read everything can be had for $30US or less, why not just get another player. I have 5 year old players that'll read everything as well so I'm not sure that's the problem though. 4X and 8X media are not the same even if from the same manufacturer. The burner's firmware must know how to burn a particular media to do it well. That's why we have suggested trying some different media to try to determine exactly where the fault lies. We're troubleshooting and it's a process of elimination. Booktyping is telling a player than the DVD is a "pressed" DVD (DVD ROM) rather than a burned DVD (+R/-R). This is sometimes enough to get a player to recognize and playback the media. It's not much of an issue now with newer players except for the +R/-R DL burned media.
Ritek is generally good media, but it is not the highest quality media.
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10. November 2005 @ 08:48 |
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Booktyping is changing the bitset of the media from DVD+R to DVD-Rom.
This is done within your burning program. From what I have read, Nero does allow for this, but I don't have Nero so I am not sure where.
The benefit of booktyping is that the DVD-ROM format is what most if not all of the DVD commercial movies are formatted as and 99.99%of the players will read that format.
Here is a link that will explain what the procedure is all about.
http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46559
I've a feeling that this will solve your issue.
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laddyboy
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10. November 2005 @ 08:55 |
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9mmruger1, I think his issue is that he has -R media and that cannot be booktyped, only +R media. Nero will automatically booktype +R media if the capability exists for the burner. He also says his player only plays -R media, although I haven't found that to be the case with old players of mine. It's been suggested he try different media, brand and type, in order to try to isolate any problem. I don't think that's yet been done.
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DiRect
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10. November 2005 @ 13:13 |
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Hi,
Ok, let me explain, there is no problem with the media, my other DVD's work just fine (on the same media). It's just that when I burn my DVD's at 4x or higher, they don't seem to work in my DVD Player, any clue as to why?
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DiRect
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laddyboy
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10. November 2005 @ 14:25 |
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"I have 2 or 3 other burned DVD's on the same media (except they were 4x discs and not 8x discs) but they were burned at 2x and they work just fine on my DVD Player."
If you mean you had 4X media and they worked when burned at 2X and then had 8X media that didn't work when burned at 4x speed, that's not the same media. Media rated at 4X and media rated at 8X are not the same even from the same manufacturer. 4X Ridata is not the same as 8X Ridata.
It just sounds like your dvd player is very picky and that there is an interaction between your burner's firmware and the 8X media that your older player doesn't like.
"I recieved a new burner (replacement order) so it's the same burner as I had before, but this one for some reason (NERO says) can burn Dual Layer DVD's as well (my other one couldn't)"
It may be a replacement but it doesn't seem to be the same model burner or at least has different firmware.
If you're sure it's a LG burner, flash it with the most up to date LG firmware. The OEMs build to venders spec and the firmwares often differ in important respects. The LG firmware may give you a good burn while the HL-DS (I'm not familiar with the brand) firmware may not.
If you try other media and obtain similar results then the problem would seem to be between the burner and the dvd player.
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DiRect
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10. November 2005 @ 15:24 |
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Hi,
Yep, I updated my firmware and it still doesn't work. No, but the 4x dvd's don't work when burned at 4x, but work when burned at 2x and the 8x discs just don't work at all.
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DiRect
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11. November 2005 @ 10:19 |
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@laddyboy
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Hi,
What do you mean by "booktype" to DVD-ROM?
I was just answering this question and letting him know that I have the same burner as he does, so have some experience with this.
cheers
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DiRect
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11. November 2005 @ 10:37 |
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Hi,
WoW, just to update on my situation, the DVD I burned at 8x is working perfectly fine in my DVD Player (no problems at all) on the exact same media, so now what else could the problem be? How come 8x works but 4x doesn't? That's just weird, the faster is supposed to be crappier (although I do remember my dad telling me that the 8x took much longer to burn then the 4x (this was before I updated my firmware)). Right now, I am going to burn an another DVD at 4x (after I've updated my firmware) and then burn one at 8x and see which one actually works and I will let you guys know to see if anyone knows what's going on.
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DiRect
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DiRect
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11. November 2005 @ 11:37 |
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Hi,
Just noticed when trying to burn a DVD at 8x with DVD Decrypter, that it is burning below 2x so it's kind of weird because the only 2 allowed speeds (my dvd media allows) is 4x and 8x so I wonder how it is burning below 2x (this is so messed up). That has recently been happening with DVD Decrypter, even with my older burner, the speed kept going up and down, but this time it's no where near where I selected it (way below) even when I chose to only burn at 2x. After this I am going to try burning at 4x and if it actually burns at 4x, then I know there is nothing wrong with Nero because Nero takes forever burning at 8x as well (so I think it burns at the same speed DVD Decrypter is burning right now) and if DVD Decrypter can burn at a speed of 4x, that means the problem lies somewhere else and not in my media (because I checked my media thorugh Nero and its capable of burning at 8x and my drive is capapable of burning at 16x)
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DiRect
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Lyoooha
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11. November 2005 @ 12:50 |
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I am not going to address the issue of why some DVD-Rs recorded at specific speeds play and why others dont, because I do not know for sure.
What I can tell you is that EVEN IF you have a successful DVD-R burn which will play on all DVD players at your house, the same DVD-R may not play on other home DVD players. Thats when DVD+R media and booktyping options comes into play.
I personally had very much similar problems with DVD+Rs as you have before I found out about booktyping. Some DVD+Rs played, others didint.
Good luck!
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DiRect
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11. November 2005 @ 13:01 |
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Hi,
Tried to burn at 4x using DVD Decrypter and it is still burning at 2x and below (it's weird because my media only supports 2 speeds (4x and 8x)). Wonder what's happening, so it's just Nero that when it burns at 4x (it actually burns at 4x) and only those discs don't work in my standalone DVD Player.
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DiRect
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laddyboy
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11. November 2005 @ 13:15 |
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@9mmruger1, hey no probs here, Mate. I was only replying back at you since DiRect wanted to deal with -R media rather than +R. He needs all the help he can get. :)
DiRect, when's the last time you defragged your hard drive? I'd take a look at that. To do do: right click on MY Computer, select Manage, Expand Storage, select Disk Defragmenter, select your hard drive, click the Analysis button.
Also if you don't mind, do a burn in Nero and post the last section of the Nero burn log (called NeroHistory) that begins with your name and serial number 1A.... Be sure to omit your name and serial number before posting the log. The path to the log is as follows:
Program Files -> Ahead -> Nero -> NeroHistory
Let's see what Nero sees your computer config as and what it encounters while burning. DVD Decrypter's log isn't very helpful so that's why I'm asking for Nero's. Burn at whatever speed you want help with first or dig thru the existing log and find a burn with the media you're having problems with. Please don't post the entire log but just the section dealing with that burn. Nero retains many burns in the log. Remember to delete your name and program serial number.
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DiRect
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11. November 2005 @ 16:42 |
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Hi,
Ok, I will do that and let you know. By the ways, the DVD I burned at 4x (using DVD Decrypter) and it burned at below 2x (the same speed it burned the 8x disc) the 4x disc still is not working in my DVD Player but the 8x is which is weird because they were both burned at the exact same varying speeds. What the heck is going on? Maybe my DVD Player doesn't like 4x burns?
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DiRect
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DiRect
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14. November 2005 @ 18:41 |
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Hi,
Bought a LG LDA-530 from Future Shop for $69.99 (it was on sale) and it's a very nice DVD Player, plays everything I throw at it and I didn't even know that it played PAL DVD's as well (Future Shop didn't mention that). I guess I got a very good deal on a very nice DVD Player, seems it supports XviD and DivX playback as well, can do different Aspect Ratio's etc. I'm loving it!
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DiRect
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