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GOOD MEDIA MY @#@
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kuulaid
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30. January 2006 @ 07:27 |
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I know alot, well more than alot of problems are based on what kind of media you use. Personally I use verbatim from sams club-dvd+r until I ran out (100 pk) and my moto is stick with what works...well ran out and bought another pack...ps2 wont even read one of em...took some advise and went to supermediastore.com and picked me up some yudens. Games SKIPS LIKE CRAZY and I backed-up like 10 different games to see if maybe it was the game...so I broke out some Maxell's from wal-mart and my games now work flawlessly exept for nfs most wanted it skips while driving down the road but all other 9 games work great!! Any suggestions on why this might Be?
Playstation: v5
Burner: Plextor dvd+r 2.5 speed
mod: SWAP MAGIC 2.0 with FLIP TOP
DVD MEDIA : Verbatim 16x
YUDENS 16x
MAXELL 1-8x <----works well
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30. January 2006 @ 08:28 |
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i would stick with the 8X media first off.
Secondly Taiyo Yuden discs are said by most, if not all,
media guides to be the very best DVD's around. That of course
doesn't mean they will play well with your DVD Burner and PS2
Me personally. i always use Philips 8X DVD-R, and have for years
and they work great. I use them for PS2 games, Xbox games, and movies without fail. I get them on sale around town at stores like Best Buy and Circuit City. Thery often have them on sale for $7.98 for a 25 pack. So i just pick up 3-4 packs and i'm set for a while.
Just use what works for you. i have seen a few others here who use
Maxell all the time and swear by them.
I don't care if i pay more for them then outhers may at online stores, because i know they work every time and never have coasters.
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Daniel_G
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30. January 2006 @ 09:04 |
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Philips? my god steimy, you must have been really lucky then, whenever i get philips, they id as cmc mag :(
@ Kuulaid : have you checked the id on those yuden's and verbatims?
They could be fake (happens a lot these days)
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kuulaid
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30. January 2006 @ 09:57 |
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NO because @ supermediastore.com They have this big moneyback garentee and a big spill on how to tell the difference between fake one and their a reputable site....I assumed they where alright but if you break down ASSuME thats what you get i guess.
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30. January 2006 @ 12:05 |
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I think that I'm going to get me some Verbatim now. They're on sale.
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30. January 2006 @ 12:48 |
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i didn't see it mentioned above, but have you updated your firmware???
if your behind there could be a compatibility issue between the media and your burner.
kc
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BLeiss2
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30. January 2006 @ 15:21 |
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also maybe your lazer isnt compatible with certain disks or maybe u have to book type it because your ps2 is old
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30. January 2006 @ 15:26 |
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Well maxell is good media,so thats no suprise that it worked.
Also,the reason the other media might not have worked is because you should use 8x media.
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30. January 2006 @ 15:30 |
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the reason the other media might not have worked is because you should use 8x media.
Wrong. any speed media will work perfectly when burned correctly, even 1x.
kc
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Daniel_G
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30. January 2006 @ 16:52 |
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I disagree, a lot of fat ps2's have problems working with 16x media, and so do some of the slimlines
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30. January 2006 @ 19:06 |
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Well supermediastore.com doesn't dabble in fakes. They're rated number one by just about any online review you'll find. I've ordered two 100 packs of TYG02 from them and had 0 coasters on 125+ PS2 games. 10 games isn't exactly a large sample study. More than likely it's user error. You need to make sure your firmware is up to date and your burner is in DMA mode. Good media is only as good as the knowledge of the person who uses it.
92. Q. What is firmware and why should I care?
A. Firmware as defined by AD:
Sort of a "operating system of the hardware", an embedded instruction set built-in or flashed into a hardware equipment, such as a router, CDR drive, DVD-ROM drive, washing machine, etc.
Newer Firmware can unlock new features that are sealed on certain DVD Burners like booktyping, or simply enhance your existing Burner by improving burn quality and media compatiblility. Keeping your Firmware up to date is essential to ensure quality burns and maximum functionality from your DVD Burner. When flashing your burner with new Firmware, be very careful. Make sure you shut down all programs running in the background, the DVD-ROM drive is empty, and you follow all the directions included in the Firmware download exactly. A bad flash can fry your DVD Burner. Proceed with caution. You can find all the Firmware you'll ever need here: http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_all.php
Checking/Changing DMA: http://home.comcast.net/~bbmayo/checking%20DMA.pdf
@DanielG Is that because 16x media is lower quality in general than 4x or 8x media, or is that just your experience with the PS2? I personally use 8x Taiyo Yuden Media for my DVD-5 PS2 backups, and have never had any issues.
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30. January 2006 @ 19:52 |
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I know alot, well more than alot of problems are based on what kind of media you use. Personally I use verbatim from sams club-DVD+R until I ran out (100 pk) and my moto is stick with what works...well ran out and bought another pack...ps2 wont even read one of em...took some advise and went to supermediastore.com and picked me up some yudens. Games SKIPS LIKE CRAZY and I backed-up like 10 different games to see if maybe it was the game...so I broke out some Maxell's from wal-mart and my games now work flawlessly exept for nfs most wanted it skips while driving down the road but all other 9 games work great!! Any suggestions on why this might Be?
Playstation: v5
Burner: Plextor DVD+R 2.5 speed
mod: SWAP MAGIC 2.0 with FLIP TOP
DVD MEDIA : Verbatim 16x
YUDENS 16x
MAXELL 1-8x <----works well
Sounds like a burning issue to me. I'm wondering how fast did you burned with those latest 16X media? You didn't stated what format (DVD-R or DVD+R) those Yuden and Verbs are. I'm assuming that you're using the newest 16X DVD+R from both Yuden and Verbatim with a version 5 PS2 console, right? Didn't you even think twice before getting them 16X? With that being said, those 16X are one of the latest media that's in the market now and they have a new MID "YUDEN000T03 and MCC004", so if your burner DOESN'T have the latest firmware and or if you DID NOT changed the book type into DVD-ROM, then the chance of your version 5 PS2 console will be able to play/read them new 16X media/MID is pretty slim, don't you think? In other word, your burner may burned them, but there is a 35% - 50% of chances that it may or may not burned precisely, but somehow did managed to have a success burned because those media are too new.
Yes, it is true that any/most v5 PS2 consoles is/are likely to read/play any DVD-R and DVD+R, but that doesn't mean it can handle the latest state-of-the-art media technologies or MID flawlessly.
Here is a better explanation; your v5 PS2 console is like a 4 years old stand alone dvd player, without any firmware updates on its brain/cell, it won't read/play any new DVD+R disc period, it is not like a dvd burner where you can update the firmware for media compatibility you know, unless you can book type them into DVD-ROM.
Disregard this post/reply if any of the above doesn't affected you.
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31. January 2006 @ 03:13 |
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"Wrong. any speed media will work perfectly when burned correctly, even 1x"
that is the most incorrect statement of the day.
If you use cheap-o DVD's then you will have problems. Either with the quality, or the length of time you will play them before the dye wears out on them.
"Philips? my god steimy, you must have been really lucky then"
Guess so, either that or that is just what my PS2 and DVD Burner like. I have done well over 200 games and movies. Both Xbox and PS2.
They have worked every time for me. I may try getting a pack of TY sometime just to test, but i am affraid to switch brands since i have had such great success with what i am using. I read the same CMC stuff about Philips when i first started using them. But they work every time and have for years so until i use up my surplus of DVD's i am not too worried.
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BLeiss2
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31. January 2006 @ 04:16 |
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b4 u start saying the best media is bad think of sum other possibilities buddy. your old ps2 might not be compatible.
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kuulaid
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31. January 2006 @ 04:38 |
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Im not saying good media is bad, Just making a statement for newbs that if your having problems going out and buying the best media may not help the situation....try different media....There are alot of people who dont try things and just read what is in black and white...i myself like to experiment and just passing along my studies...and found out that running out and buying the "BEST MEDIA" wich im sure is, isn't always the answer...you may want to try different brands of dvd's.
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BLeiss2
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31. January 2006 @ 04:47 |
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yea. my old ps2 wouldnt work with yudens nor would it work with maxells. i was able to get verbatims to work with it. i still use verbatims and yudens with my new ps2. lots of different media will work, but u do have to worry about the lifespan of it. i have worked with mal*mart brands like dynex and the worked fine untill a few months later it just wouldnt work. u also have to worry about skips with bad quality. quality can easily b checked with nero. for a more accurate scan make sure your DVDRW drive supports pi scans.
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31. January 2006 @ 05:45 |
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that is the most incorrect statement of the day.
If you use cheap-o DVD's then you will have problems. Either with the quality, or the length of time you will play them before the dye wears out on them.
yet another WRONG, i didn't say they'd last indefinitely but they'd be perfect burns. you may not have the ability to do so but don't blame the media for that. I've got 5 yrs old Lead Data Inc LD01's burnt at 1x on a DVR-104 that still work perfectly. i don't think you'll find a media any worse then these disks. if burnt correctly ANY disk will work perfectly, it may not last more then a few plays/days/weeks/yrs but it will work perfectly.
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31. January 2006 @ 09:19 |
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Wow this thread's gotten intersting. I agree with KC on that I think. If you constantly use CMC Mag, you may get by for awhile. After a couple weeks or months, it'll degrade at a much faster rate than Taiyo Yuden's or Verbatim's. Not to mention how much undue stress you put on the PS2 laser. My PS2 is 5 years old. I was told by my modder, the benevolent Davbere, to baby the laser. I use quality Taiyo Yuden DVD-R's and have never had a coaster or boot failure. I used CMC Mag in the beginning (I bought a 15 pack of Maxell's at Staple's before I knew better). I couldn't get NHL 2006 or NBA Live 2006 to work. To get them to work I had to rebuild them and burn them to RitekG05 media. I copied all my CMC Mag discs to TY's and tossed em. From my experience quality media makes a huge difference. It's true that some people will have better success in the short term with cheap media, because of burner compatiblity, out of date firmware, etc, but in the long run, there are no benefits to using CMC Mag media. It's more expensive, terrible quality, and will speed your PS2 to the grave yard. I've learned this through personal experience and talking to people who have 1,000's of successful burns. It's a combination of reserach and hands on experience that makes one a knowledgeable burner.
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31. January 2006 @ 10:40 |
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well my last statement of the day is this.
No matter what you THINK, media makes a difference.
not all media will burn correctly, no matter how much you know or how you do it. Take the ever crappy Memorex as an example.
I know plenty of people who have been backing things up for years who tried them and got either coasters or audio/video problems.
CMC is surely not the best media around, but some brands are still better than others. Like the Philips i use, which are made by Mitsubishi Chemicals (also known as MKM). The same company that make the Verbatim that everyone seems to love so much. I used them for years now and have not burnt out a laser yet, nor have my games stopped working. They are CMC Mag. but are also rated a 5 out of 5 on places like supermediastore.com
Media is just a funny subject and everyone will just have to agree to disagree about it. as there are so many people who swear by the media they use.
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31. January 2006 @ 10:49 |
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Oh I wasn't trying to downplay the importance of good media at all. Quite the opposite, I think it's foolhardy to use Memosux or CMC Mag. It's a small wonder that the media you use works. I believe MCC outsourced their media to CMC briefly, but switched back when word got out. MCC still outsources their media to Taiwan, but it's back to the quality MCC dyes. So I guess I was a little confused by your statement that CMC Mag is MCC. Cheers!
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31. January 2006 @ 11:36 |
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I'm not pushing the use of low quality media by any means just stating the fact that just because you burnt a coaster doesn't mean it was the media at fault.
i use Taiyo Yuden TYG02 and Ritek GO5 disks only (for myself) but there were days when those media were not made or available and I/We made perfect copies on brands now deemed imposable to backup a game/movie onto.
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31. January 2006 @ 12:28 |
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@ Tokijin : it's not the media quality, the 16x are decent discs, but the older ps2's lasers just seem to have a lot of trouble reading most 16x dvd's, even if burned at 2x or 4x. (i'm referring to experiences i've had, the experiences of friends, and things i've read on several dutch tech forums)
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17. February 2006 @ 19:41 |
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KC36330 - Do me a favor and take some of those older Ritek G05 and do a scan on them. There have been several people - including myself - that had perfect burns and great scans. Now 6-9 months later they red line almost immediately. I was just wondering if you were having similiar issues?
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17. February 2006 @ 20:22 |
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OK, just grabbed the first one that i knew was a GO5 out of the pile and this is what it gives:
MID Code: RITEKGO5
Disk ID: SLUS_20626
Disk Size: 2.9 Gig
Burn Date: 12/10/2003
PIE Peak: 21
PIE Avg: 4
PIF Peak: 3
PIF Avg: 0
Disk Quality: 97.69%
this disk was burned in a Pioneer DVR-105 @ 4x I've got others burned at 8x in a DVR-110D but are less then 6 months old. now i did burn a few at 12x and the quality dropped off bad and i know allot of folks have problems at 8x, i do not but as always YMMV.
kc
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17. February 2006 @ 22:33 |
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@KC36330
I don't want to pull nobody's leg here, but with only 2.9GB, I would say you're pretty lucky to have a "quality scores" of 97% with the Ritek. I've stopped using Ritek since last year because of the same issue that "beltline" had mentioned. If possible, can you post your scan via Nero CD-DVD Speed, k-probe or DVDInfo Pro? Just wondering that's all.
Here are a few scans just for fun and or reference only:
And here is one of the latest that I've just burned a few days ago. This is a long movie (4445MB) 2 plus hrs, this is awesome and remember, the most IMPORTANT part you really need to look for is the PIF and the Quality Scores.
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