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GOOD MEDIA MY @#@
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18. February 2006 @ 00:43 |
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Also if you notice KC's scan has 0 PIF's, so his burner probably doesn't support PIF scans, like mine. The Ritek's have served me okay, but I find even the MIT Sony's tend to have fewer PIF's. I stopped using them and won't be going back anytime soon. I got some MIJ Sony's at wally world that coded out as TYG02. I use TYG02 for PS2 games, and MIT/MIJ Sony's/MIJ Maxell DVD+R's/RitekG05 for movies. I really like the High Grade Maxell DVD+R's, but they're not available in bulk anywhere locally. The MIT/MIJ Sony's have worked out well. I feel they're superior to Ritek. Of course everybody has different preference's for media. Cheers!
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18. February 2006 @ 00:55 |
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Also if you notice KC's scan has 0 PIF's, so his burner probably doesn't support PIF scans, like mine.
i think it was posted.........the disk that was scanned had 3 PIFs with an average of 0 the only issues with my burners (Pioneers) is they are not compatable with Nero CD/DVD Speed for some reason so i have to use DVDInfoPro
@alkohol
grabbed this one out of my daughters room, she's 3 so you get the idea here, and it's been played a minimum of a few thousand hours on title repeat for days on end, it's a Dora The Explorer movie and she LOVES to watch Dora and Boots, just over 4 Gig burned in 2004 at 4x in a DVR-105 had to clean it with isopropyl alcohol prior to the test to remove what looked like yogurt off it along with a few million finger prints, needless to say it has a few minor scratches but nothing to major. very acceptable to me at slightly over 95% (test ran for accuracy rather then speed)
kc
EDIT: the quality was >98% till that little bump near mid ways, looks like a slight scratch on the disk.
EDIT #2 same disk at 10x
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18. February 2006 @ 01:16 |
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Word, I was looking at the average, not total. My burner doesn't support PI/PO scanning without crossflashing. I have a Sony DRU-810A, which is an OEM BenQ1640. I could cross flash it with BenQ Firmware so I could use it with Q suite. It's my only burner, so I don't feel it's worth the risk. Nice Scan even the it's Dora the Dinosuar lol. Didn't she get arrested for selling smack to school children, I'm not sure that's the best role model for your daughter lol. Cheers!
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18. February 2006 @ 01:20 |
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you may be on a bit of that smack yourself, Dora is a excellent teaching show for children, my daughter can speak a good bit if Spanish and has never had any teaching on it except Dora. Barny is what isn't allowed to be played in my house. :)
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18. February 2006 @ 01:25 |
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Lol, I don't have kids so I can't relate. I'm too young to think about kids...diapers...preschool... man I should post pics of naked women, except I'd get in trouble doing so outside of the Safety Valve. Cheers!
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18. February 2006 @ 08:39 |
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@KC36330
Those scans are not bad at all, 1X with 95% quality with 105 PI and 10 PIF, and 10X with 92% quality with 101 PI and 9 PIF.
Quite impressive afterall. For some reason I don't like any of my backups to be near or has more than 3 PIF. I'm really picky when it comes to media and "quality".
So far for scanning results (quality wise, PI and PIF), I've come to conclusion that YUDEN has 1st place, Hitachi Maxell has 2nd (on par with YUDEN) and Verbatim is slightly on 3rd. All of them is done on the same burner (DRU 710A a rebadged SOHW 1633S) at 4X speed that was burned at the exact speed. Maybe my drive just like them YUDEN and Hitachi Maxell more, but in terms of what I like, I'd still go with YUDEN, Verbatim "advanced azo" and Hitachi Maxell (made in japan). These 3 top media has never let me down, regardless if it's for dvd movies or PS2 backups.
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18. February 2006 @ 09:04 |
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in my opinion it's 99% firmware/burner compatibility relationship that determines if YOUR burner with it's firmware has the ability to burn a quality disk.
@alkohol
have you ever took a new pressed -ROM and scanned it?
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18. February 2006 @ 10:18 |
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dont have a clue what you lot are going no about to me if the game/movies plays thats fine by me and most other peolpe but if you want to arrgue about how good your burns comeout carry on
i use g05 and they work perfect 99.9% of the time play fine
just burrnt a panasonic (tygo2) and also played fine but who know in 6 months time witch one is going to work cos after my two boys (under 3) have played with them so if i get 6 months out of them i will be happy
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18. February 2006 @ 10:29 |
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we're going on about disk quality and overall life span of the burned disk, now how good they come out of the burner. low quality media will in the hands of the able burn a disk with a >95% quality but the life expectancy of the ink is just not there. a perfect burn that turns out a quality of 99.99% may fail completely in as little as a few hours/days/weeks/years/etc..... the higher quality brand disk you use the longer you can expect a successful burn to continue to play/boot.
just to show i am not biased toward GO5s i use Yuden's as well but i still stand behind the fact that most failed burns are from Operator Error or burner/firmware compatibility issues which i would still call Operator Error :)
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18. February 2006 @ 10:37 |
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oh i get yeah so im looking at the graphs what part is telling me a good burn to a bad burn just to see what disks are woring better for me what % would be classed as a bad burn is it poss to get 100%
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18. February 2006 @ 11:25 |
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DVD error correction is working on blocks of 32 kBytes each. That data is arranged, including all error correction data, in a 208x182 matrix, meaning there are 208 rows and 182 columns. If a line contains errors, it is called a "PIE" (Parity Inner Errors). The number of errors does not matter. It only matters whether or not there are any errors. If too many bytes are corrupt, so that error correction inside that line does not work, it is called a "PIF" (Parity Inner Failure).
The upper part of the image displays PIEs, the lower part displays PIFs. The red lines resemble the limits which should, according to the specification for DVDs, not be exceeded. However, a limit being exceeded does not necessarily mean that a DVD is unuseable, neither does no limit being exceeded mean that a DVD is necessarily good.
PIE is counted over blocks of 8 consecutive blocks of 32 kBytes each. Thus, it is often called PIsum8. PIFs are counted for each block separately
oh almost forgot, i've never seen a 100% burn myself, but close.
kc
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18. February 2006 @ 11:33 |
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just want to say that i bought some taiyo media dvd from supermediastore.com and all skiped ,mainly at the one hour mark.
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18. February 2006 @ 11:40 |
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which burner and firmware do you use and what burning program? what is the image source (where did you get the IMG/ISO/Bin/Etc...) your burning?
I'd say the chances of it being the media over Operator Error are slim especially if you were burning a down sampled dual layer and the layer break wasnt properly removed.
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18. February 2006 @ 12:22 |
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KC - thanks for the scans. I know my G05's originally scanned between the 94-97 percent range when first burned and all played great. I only bought a 50 pack and still have 10 or so left. However after seeing several posts about them rotting out in only 6 months, I decided to go check mine. The two I checked zero'd out within 2 percent of scanning. The only difference is origianlly I scanned with dvdinfopro and the last scans I did were with Nero. Don't think it will make a difference, but I'll check them again with dvdinfopro. Mine were bought around February last year. Not sure if yours were before or after that, but it looks like you got a good batch.
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18. February 2006 @ 12:27 |
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either im using this program wrong or my disk suck dose it matter that im using my poineer in a usb ex
this my scan ended at o.00 % not good
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18. February 2006 @ 12:31 |
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That looks like mine did with Nero. I was lucky enough to still be able to file mode it with Decryptor and burn. I really dreaded having to have to go all the way back and recode also. That would have taken forever.
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18. February 2006 @ 12:45 |
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thats a ps2 game that ive completed so not to fussy
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18. February 2006 @ 14:52 |
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the above scan, what speed was it burned at? the 109s firmware allows 12x burning to these disks and thats about a typical scan for a 12x burned GO5.
EDIT: and to add, The highest values which are possible are PIE = 1664 and PIF = 208 so could be worse. :)
also for an accuracy reading your burner isn't able to be controlled down 1x, this could be part of your burn problems. i've discussed this a bit with Alkohol via a PM and I'm doing a bit more research on some of these type issues....
kc
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18. February 2006 @ 17:57 |
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Usually you want to scan it at the speed you burn it. If you didn't, you may want to adjust the scan speed. You don't have to scan it that way, but scan at 4x or 8x. Definitely don't set the read speed to 1x. You may want to rescan that Ritek. I was pissed for awhile, because my burner doesn't support PI/PO scans. I could cross flash it with BenQ firmware, to enable PI/PO scanning, but it's not worthwhile. As KC said, these scans are a benchmark, that's all. A quality scan doesn't mean a disc won't skip or lag, just as a terrible scan doesn't mean it will skip or lag. Sometimes I think we get carried away with all this stuff. It's pretty easy to tell if you're burning correctly. If you're firmware is up to date, you use quality media, shut down all programs while burning, your burner is in DMA mode, and you burn at half the speed of the disc, you will get good results. In regards to the Taiyo Yuden question, I side with KC, invariably when there's issues with TY media it comes down to user error. That's far more likely than a defective batch.
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18. February 2006 @ 18:14 |
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i don't agree with you on the test needs to be at the speed the disk is wrote at, these PIE PIF readings are simply based on how well YOUR laser in YOUR drive used for the test can read the disk inserted into it during the test. a bad scan doesn't always mean a bad disk, it could be your laser needs cleaning, allot of folks who constantly have bad burns have NEVER cleaned the laser of their burner.
on the rare occasion I've seen drives that will burn but cant read for the life of them and vise/versa. i also don't think you can set the DvdInfoPro to a set speed, its options are accuracy, balanced, faster and fastest but every drive I've ever ran it on in accuracy mode it runs at 1x the above png posted by booboo drifts between 3x and 5x which is why I've asked him about his benchmarking CPU usage at different speeds.
I've found some burner/firmware combinations actually have a harder time writing at some of the mid range speeds taking up to 100% processor power to burn at 2.4x to 4x and then at 8x they drop back down to mid 80s, this could well explain allot of the problems people have who have had Burn at 4x or we'll beat you with a whip!!! drilled at them to the point they are scared to death to try a different speed.
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18. February 2006 @ 18:18 |
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As far as scanning at the same speed you burn at, that's straight from Alkohol and DocTY. I've read that Pioneer Burners are terrible scanners, and that BenQ and Liteys are much better scanners. Again that's straight from DocTY. I've always scanned my backups at the speed I burn them at.
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18. February 2006 @ 18:42 |
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your just going on someones opinion there and while i respect Alkohol's opinions and often ask him for information myself, we agree to disagree on a few things, burning at 4x being one of the most well voiced ones :) folks will burn a DVD at 4x all day but think your absurd for burning a CD at 30x.......both of which are roughly the same data transfer rate...but thats another story all together and a bit off topic here so.........
the point of a scan is to determine how well data can be read from the disk in question, for a DVD movie your going to be reading it at 1x (1.32 mB/s) average most of the time depending on compression format it can be considerably less. with that in mind even if the disk was burned at 16x I'm looking for the quality it can reproduce at its intended 1x play speed, not to often I'm gonna be watching a movie at 16x speed say I'll just be danged, the picture is grainy at this speed!!!
PS2 games are different in that they access at constantly different speeds and most often are just ripping data at the rate the processor can process it (during loading) or at the rate in which it is requested (in games such as GTA)
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18. February 2006 @ 19:25 |
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Again this is a difference of opinion. You can't tell me my way is wrong, much the same as I can't tell you your way is wrong. I've read difference opinions on this, from my experience, I like to scan my disks at 4x. We agree to disagree, just leave it at that. Cheers!
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18. February 2006 @ 19:29 |
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i don't recall saying anywhere that your way was wrong just that i didn't agree with it and pointed out some of the reasons why i disagreed. sorry you took it so offensively.
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18. February 2006 @ 20:05 |
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Hey, can someone tell me what the heck is going on with my scans with my DW1655 and Nero. I keep getting a error towards the end that saids "NO ADDITIONAL SENSE INFORMATION". I am using Verbatim (MCC 004), not multitasking. Everything else is turned off. Updated firmware to BCDB. I don't even have the internet hooked up to that computer. Had been scanning fine for a while now, but started getting this error message lately. I only burn to 4380 and see plenty of purple at the edge. The scores are 94-95 which are okay, but I normally get 96-98 with my other Verb's. These are the first +R Verb's I've tried and I am booktyping.
I also receive some spikes at the beggining of every dvd I test. Is there a way to fix that when burning?
Thanks All!
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