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sytyguy
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11. February 2006 @ 10:05 |
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I am wondering about the Nero recode.Is it true discs burned with it will not play in a standalone DVD player?
There are many people on this forum that use Recode, so if that was a problem they wouldn't be using it. I booktype all my burnt discs to DVD-ROM, so for sure they will play in all standalone DVD players.
HTH,
Rich
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11. February 2006 @ 11:11 |
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Where did you hear that garbage. Recode Discs play in all my machines and all of the other members here that use it. Why would any one use recode if the disc didn't play. Common sense should have been a clue somewhere along your reasoning.
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11. February 2006 @ 11:20 |
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When I first started reading AD everybody raved about Any DVD. So I tried it , bought it and Clone and figure this software alone for ease and compatibility And the use of Any DVD with all my other programs is worth $200.00 any day of the week. Just my $2 cents.Happy burning ChrisC PS I haven't found any of the software mentioned in AD that doesn't play in my standalones
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ann808
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11. February 2006 @ 12:01 |
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i use AnyDVD with clonedvd2 and it's worth the price. i had previously used DVD Cloner II but ran into problems with some of the newer dvd releases.
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JaguarGod
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12. February 2006 @ 06:43 |
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First, I will sum what I am posting:
-DVD Shrink & Nero Recode (when using Slow Recording) are the best
-CloneDVD2 has quality issues with higher compression (75% or so)
-VobBlanker & Menu Shrink are a must with Shrink & Recode
If this is not enough, read on...
AnyDVD is great, but CloneDVD2 is not the best. It is the most compatible with AnyDVD, but AnyDVD updates so fast that any problems with other software are fixed shortly.
The problem with CloneDVD2 is quality. If you compress a movie too much, it can look like crap. The first time I tested out Clone was on a movie that I had previously compressed with Shrink. Here is what happened:
First I backed up the whole movie (including extras and such) with DVD Shrink. It went doen to about 52%. The playback was pretty bad. This was however a 3 hour movie, so this was expected, especially with the special features still there.
Next, I thought, why not give CloneDVD2 a try. I took the original DVD Folder and ran it through CloneDVD2. I then removed all of the extras and did a movie only. The compression was about 73% with the quality value at 73%. The result was complete crap (worse than DVD Shrink at 52%). There were motion artifacts everywhere and even parts with little motion looked bad. The picture was worse than a good SVCD.
I then did the same movie again only using VobBlanker with DVD Shirnk and blanked the extras so the result was a 73% compression with Shrink. The Picture quality here was very nice and almost as good as the original.
The conclusion is that CloneDVD2 does not compress as well as Shrink.
I did similar testing a few more times and I now only use CloneDVD2 when I am short on time and the movie will not compress much (85% max).
As for Nero Recode, it is the same as DVD Shrink, but only if you enable Slow Recording!!! Otherwise DVD Shrink is the best. The benefit of Recode is speed. I can find no difference in Picture quality.
The benefit of CloneDVD2 is that you can remove titles simply by unchecking them in a list. This is very nice, However there are several replacements for this like using VobBlanker with DVD Shrink.
Also, MenuShrink is a must for maintaining quality. You can shrink DVD Menus to about 1 MB, so movies like Star Wars, you will save 500MB or more just by changing the menus to stills.
Another program that can remove titles easy (actaully remove not just blank) is DVDRemakePro, but this one is about $50 or so. This can be replaced by IFOEdit + PGCEdit and a little bit of user input, if money is an issue.
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12. February 2006 @ 17:42 |
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@Jaguargod, I don't want to turn this into another debate over Clonedvd/Anydvd. I have compressed movies up to 50% with Clone/Anydvd with no loss or very little loss in quality. I have been using this setup over several years now with many different versions of that setup. With the proper blank media and burn speed there isn't enough quality loss to notice on my 52 inch TV. Yes, everyone's system is slightly different and end results can be different depending on blank media used and burn speed, but after almost 2 years with Clonedvd/Anydvd I think your results are off possibly due to system differences. I have no problem with FREE programs and if your way of doing a backup works for you keep using it. But don't knock a great program just because of your results with it. Everytime a movie comes out with a new form of encryption, I have no problem making a copy with Clonedvd/Anydvd while everyone else starts many threads on here about problems doing those movies. Everyone that has that combo knows that they do work and work very well. If they didn't, Slysoft and Elby would be out of business. If you want to do 4 or 5 steps to copy a movie thats up to you. Myself, like most other Clonedvd/Anydvd users, do those same HARD TO DO MOVIES in one step with excellent end results. I get tired of seeing people knock these great programs when in most cases its user error or equipment problems causing the trouble.
Jerry
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sytyguy
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12. February 2006 @ 19:21 |
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Jerry746,
Kudos to you Jerry!!!
I am not knocking you, JaguarGod, (kudos to you to for your wonderful guides that, I in fact follow),but (of course there is the ultimate but), I personally have done tests with Nero, and Shrink does not even compare to Recode2 in regards to PQ, and I used to use Shrink faithfully, but once I did those tests (I wish I still had them), that was the end of Shrink for me.
JaguarGod, I am an admirer of yours, so please don't take this personally.
Very best regards,
Rich
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Argg
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12. February 2006 @ 21:41 |
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I didn't realize so many people were affected by my AnyDVD Remark when I said
edited by ddp
Is as if you work for slysoft or something...
I hate Anydvd becasue they are Malware Masters.
After that Brief Trail period that ended horribly
I have never, EVER had a problem burning a movie since forever with the execption of Lords of Dogtown. And I have never used AnyDVD.
YOU DON'T NEED IT TO BACKUP MOVIES. (THAT IS 100% FACT)
ALL YOU NEED IS DVD FAB (WITH DVD 43 TURNED OFF) OR DVD DECRYPTER (WITH 43 TURNED ON) AND SHRINK.
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12. February 2006 @ 23:04 |
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You are a really offensive type of person aren't you Arrg?
I don't know what your problem is with us here at Afterdawn, but with you attitude (that sucks BTW) you will not last long.
You probably don't care who you say "SCREW THEM" too, that is really sad.
I genuinely feel sorry for you.
You say that SlySoft are malware masters, where is your proof? You say that you are right & the hundreds of others here are wrong. I like the reasoned debate you rely on.
Gif by Phantom69
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12. February 2006 @ 23:45 |
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Here's what I prefer from the best quality to rippers:
<><> Picture quality <><>
<> DVD Rebuilder Pro + CCE SP
<> Nero Recode 2 (with Advanced Analysis + High Quality Mode)
<> DVD Shrink (with Deep Analysis + AEC)
<><> Ripper engines <><>
<> DVDFAB Decrypter (one of the greatest FREE ripper ever in my book)
<> PgcEdit with PSL plugin + FixVTS and DVD Decrypter
<> DVD Decrypter (alone)
<><> craps/junks, dummy cells, dummy encrypted sectors cleaner <><>
<> VobBlanker (crap cleaner, VTS/PGC/Cells blanker)
<> FixVTS (crap cleaner)
Again, I'm not dissing AnyDVD or CloneDVD, but it is obvious that I just don't find any good reason enough for me to get it that's all. Maybe and just maybe some day in the future, if only DVDFAB Decrypter, DVD Decrypter, PgcEdit, FixVTS and VobBlanker all dead. Then I'll think about it, but not now.
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13. February 2006 @ 04:32 |
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My other 2 cents on the subject is the ease of AnyDVD and Clone for a new person to do a quick copy and to have a decent copy to go to the other programs and especially using the guides of Alkohol.
, Scuba Pete etc.and pick up more of an understanding of how to use the correct media, settings, and strive for that elusive 100% quality.I hate the remark of any program used over and over on this forum to be dis because one person makes bad accusations with out facts.Sorry but had to speak my piece. Happy burnin Chris
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13. February 2006 @ 05:04 |
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I think most of those who post adamant dislike for a particular program probably got the program from E-Bay, etc., and not from a retail source....
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jazzyg
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13. February 2006 @ 05:57 |
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When I started this thread I did not realize it would generate such heated discussion. However, from this I have notice there are several programs available that I had not heard of that I plan to add to my arsenal. I believe having a variety of programs is a plus and I thank all of you for bringing to light several options to help in the quest of backing up my library of movies.
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13. February 2006 @ 06:05 |
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I have to agree with you Bilbo65 and Pulsar. In all my years downloading updates of both CloneDVD & AnyDVD I have never encountered any malware-adware or viruses. All downloads were either off this site when they were available or directly off Slysoft/Elby. When you try to get software for free off other sites I have no doubt that they will pick up other junk along with the software.
Originally Recode was almost a twin of Shrink since the same guy wrote both. However since Shrink is no longer updated in any way one can see that Recode should be the program of choice between the 2. Even though Shrink has decrypting abilities they are out of date and something like AnyDVD is needed with Shrink. If you have both Shrink and Recode then the choice should be Recode because of the updates that are made to it.
There are many excellent ways of backing up a dvd. The better results require several steps and up to 4 different programs. I have them all and know how to use them, but for easy, quick one program backups with quality that most people can live with its still the Clonedvd/Anydvd combination that works best. I do not work for Slysoft and have no connection with them, but when a product works well over several years I will back it 100%.
Jerry
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13. February 2006 @ 06:16 |
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I too have never had any problems with slysoft software, whether dl from the slysoft site or the beta ver. that are given out from cdfreaks. The programs work are kept updated and support can be had easily. Of the buy programs these are the two I recommend. Yes there are free programs and I also use those, and will as long as they work. It is nice to have a variety and choice. For some it is just the challenge of seeing what will work with a backup, for others they just want ease of use. Clone is versatile and much better in the reauthoring part than Shrink, but Shrink will work on a DVD Decrypter ripped movie only file, when the other won't. It is all personal preferences in the end. Just my two cents.
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ddp
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13. February 2006 @ 09:32 |
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Argg, knock it off with the language & the shouting as per forum rules above. we all like to express our opinions but not in that way. give pro's & con's to your opinions to let other people learn what might or might not work for them. just don't do it like you just did or you'll won't like my opinion!!!
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StanH1000
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13. February 2006 @ 09:39 |
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If you already have Nero incl Recode2, and have purchased AnyDVD, it is still not clear to me what , if any, additional advantage there would be to pay again for Clone. Any DVD in background makes Nero Recode2 pretty much a one step deal for movie only.
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13. February 2006 @ 09:42 |
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I use Recode for the majority of my backups but will use Clone for splitting TV series disks, I like the fact that you can keep a functional menu on both disks. Something that Recode cannot do, at least I have tried and cannot get it to work.
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JaguarGod
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13. February 2006 @ 12:36 |
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@sytyguy,
Can you tell me what settings lead to better PQ with Recode over Shrink? The best I have gotten is to have them both identical, at least to the human eye. Also, what do you do to determine the quality. All I do is watch a movie on my TV. I have yet to see a difference between Shrink & Recode, however, I did a few DVDs without slow recording and they seemed slightly worse than DVD Shrink with Default settings.
When I do movies, I use Nero Recode unless if there is no compression, then I use Shrink (3 minutes either way, but Shrink lets you add a full DVD Label and has the Burn with Decrypter option).
@Jerry746,
I disagree about you saying it is my equipment. I have a few different systems ranging from an old upgraded PC to a top of the line dual AMD Opteron 275 Workstation with 16GB of RAM, dual FX4400 GPUs and SCSI HDDs. I back up my 90% of my DVDs using Taiyo Yuden DVD+R 8x and I burn with either a Pioneer A09 or 110. Taiyo Yuden Media is by far the best I have seen and I get near flawless burns with my Pioneers that work on every DVD Player I have tested them with.
As for Televisions, I own a Sharp Aquos 20" and a Sony SXRD 60". For CRT, I have vairous Sony XBRs and an old Zenith System 3. For DVD Players, I have a Pioneer Elite DV-59AVi, a Denon DVD-3910, a Bravo D2, a Samsung HD931 & HD840 as well as some normal players.
I also connect my high end components either through HDMI(DVI) or Canare Component cables to ensure that I get the best picture from them.
Which part of my setups would you say can cause the problem?? I do not use the Workstation for DVD Backups anymore, because the software does not make use of the dual processors or the dual cores at that. I only use that one for animation and other processor and graphic intensive applications.
I use the old PC for overnight backups:
Windows 2000 Pro
AMD Duron 700MHz
384MB RAM
180 GB 7200RPM HDD
Pioneer A09
For the day I use a PCs that never goes on-line:
Windows 2000 Pro
AMD FX-53
2GB RAM
200GB 7200RPM HDD
Pioneer A09
I defragment & maintenance my hard drives weekly...
I watch most DVDs on the Aquos, SXRD, & a CRT. Backups are always played on either the Samsung HD931, HD840 or the low-end DVD Players. I will not risk a high end DVD Player with backups (They put more stress on the player).
As for you saying that I put down AnyDVD, I do not. I own this software myself as well as CloneDVD2 and CloneCD. The guides I have written are simply to give people who do not own the software a way to rip and back up a DVD. This way, when someone buys AnyDVD, it is not because it is the only way, but the most convenient.
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sytyguy
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13. February 2006 @ 14:58 |
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JaguarGod,
I used Nero's CD/DVD Speed Disc Quality, on both discs. The Recode rip/burn came out to 98 quality score, and Shrink/Decrypter came out to 90. They both used the same input from Decrypter, and I had no quality settings turned on with either. Verbatim discs were used for both. I can also see the difference on my Sony 57" HDTV, slight pixelation with the Shrink/Decrypter combo.
HTH,
Rich
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13. February 2006 @ 15:08 |
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glad to hear that sytyguy My drives don't support the disc quality part of speed test. I do prefer recode when it works properly(most times)to shrink.
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sytyguy
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13. February 2006 @ 15:25 |
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garmoon,
I guess I have been lucky, since I started using Recode (thanks to fellow members here), I have not had any problems at all. What problems have you experienced, so I can watch out for them.
TIA,
Rich
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13. February 2006 @ 15:29 |
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@jaguargod, Like I said before I didn't want to make this a debate but you did put down Clonedvd by saying the quality was crap at 73% and that Shrink was better at 52%. It may be that way on your equipment but several thousand members on here will say you're wrong. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion but it should be stated as an opinion. I have over 35 years in the electronics service field and have a FCC 1st class repair license for radio and tv transmission equipment. I have seen too many times where people or companies buy the most expensive equipment they can and then never learn how to use it properly. I'm not saying that is the case with you, but listing what you own doesn't prove anything to me. Your statement about playing a backup dvd as being HARD on a player is not true if the dvd is burned properly and the player senses the start of the disc correctly. The player drive and laser are powered up the same no matter what type of disc is inside. I could go on about known problems with your choice of TV's but I've said enough already. I don't claim to know everything and make mistakes just like everyone else. If I suggest a program or way of doing something it is ALWAYS stated as a suggestion. Last, I always make sure MY OPINIONS I give are exactly that. An opinion that can be taken or not. Done with this thread.
Jerry
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13. February 2006 @ 15:32 |
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sytyguy
When I burn nice and slow at 4X or 8X. everything's fine. But when I try burning on the fly I get a coaster now and then. Sometimes it just wants to close when AnyDVD has not been updated. By and large I love the program and it's always my first choice.
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sytyguy
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13. February 2006 @ 17:20 |
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I burn everything at 8x (half the rated write speed), I know it is almost sacrilegious to do that on this forum, but it works for me, and it works rather wonderfully.
What do you mean "burning on the fly", is that disc to disc?
Thanks,
Rich
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