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DVD-R -=vs=- DVD+R Which is better for backups??
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Xploitz
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7. March 2006 @ 05:59 |
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Hey everyone again! I've searched a few threads and some stickies, but I havent heard a clear answer to this question...so here goes.
1. I have a v9 ps2 modded with a DMS4 E.Z.I Pro, and I heard someone mention that I should be using DVD+R's for my backups. But then I came across a thread in these forums that said that DVD+R's wont work, and something about PAL being involved. Im from the USA so mines a NTSC version 9 obviously. So I guess my question is...since I have a NTSC v9 PS2...should I be backing up my games with DVD+R's or DVD-R's?? If someone responds, please give me the pros and cons of both. I seem to be experiencing some hangs and freezing of one particular game Fight Night Round 3... using DVD-R's..and Im thinking bout buying some TDK DVD+R's. Thanks for answering this n00bie question.
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Xploitz
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7. March 2006 @ 15:43 |
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Well..it seems that my question was partially answered today. QUOTED FROM ANOTHER SECTION HERE....most folks used DVD-R because early V- PS2 could not cope with DVD+R unless it was booktyped and not all burners support that function.
Around 400+ back ups on DVD-R for me (PS2) previously used Ritek DVD-R, now predominantly Taiyo Yuden x8 (TYG02) DVD-R.
If you have a burner that booktypes for older PS2 then DVD+R on quality media performs the task just as good (have around 180 DVD+R booktyped PS2 back ups).
Above all else use quality media, which compliments your burner... the best media is what works for you and your setup/software.
So with that said....I have a v9 PS2 Modded with the DMS4 E.Z.I Pro...I take it from what I just read thaT older versions REQUIRED -R's. And the newer ones (newer than v4) support +Rs....So my question is...Is it wiser for me to use the DVD+R's over the DVD-R's since my v9 supports +R?? BTW..my Dvd burner is a Liteon 16x DVD+/-R.. DVD+-RW.. DVD+/-DL(Double Layer)And one last question...Is it wise to buy 16x dvd's and burn at 8x or stick to 8x and burn at 4???
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7. March 2006 @ 15:55 |
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hi
i prefer to use DVD-R, in my experience all the DVD+R discs i have seen/used have caused problems (even on v14) with not reading discs properly, stuttering games etc. my ps2 works perfect with DVD-R so that is what i stick with. make sure your DVD-R is good media, as "cheap" media can cause all sorts of problems with both DVD-R or DVD+R.
when backing up ps2 games good media (taiyo yuden, verbatim, sony(made in japan))& slow burn speed is a must.
this is just my personal experiences, try both formats & see what works best for you. (on good media)
BTW i have no experience with tdk media but a lot of people think it isn't that great so if i were you i would not buy tdk
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dg3elite
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7. March 2006 @ 16:53 |
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weird. my DVD+R work 10x then DVD-R. i use mostly for sport games though. i find the DVD-R dont load fast enough or commentary, etc. for me, no problems at all with maxell DVD+R burnt at 2.4x and i have a v4.
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7. March 2006 @ 17:29 |
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V.4 PS2's should work fine with DVD+R's booktyped to DVD-ROM. If you use quality media, then it shouldn't matter. My v.4 PS2 handles either format fine. I use TYG02 (DVD-R's) and Yuden000TO2 (DVD+R's) from Taiyo Yuden. No coasters after 170+ successful burns. If you use DVD+R's, it's highly recommeded that your burner support booktyping/bitsetting.
53. Q. What is Booktyping?
A. Booktyping is the ability to burn a DVD+R so it that appears as a pressed DVD-ROM in any DVD-ROM drive it's inserted in. If you booktype DVD+R's, this allows for greater compatibility with most stand alone DVD players, including your PS2. Your burner has to support booktyping (most newer ones do).
Booktyping with Nero and DVD Decrypter: http://www.k-probe.com/bitsetting-booktype-faq.php
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Xploitz
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8. March 2006 @ 07:08 |
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So then the QUALITY is the same in DVD+R's and DVD-R's?? If thats so...then the only diffrence is that you dont have to "pre format" the DVD-R's like you do the DVD+R's..correct?? So Its best to just stick with DVD-R's since no formatting is needed and I can just do a straight burn. And would I have less hanging time and faster read times by using DVD-R's VS DVD+R's?
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8. March 2006 @ 07:32 |
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It's all relative to what version ps2 you have, burner, media etc..
Mine will play both DVD+R and DVD-R fine without booktyping the DVD+R.. some people booktype the DVD+R to make them more compatible is all.
Just try out a small pack of DVD+R and DVD-R from a good brand like taiyo yuden, verbatim or ritek to see what works for you best.. that's the only way to know for sure. People could tell you what works best for them, but it's no guarantee that it'd work for you.
good luck
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Xploitz
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8. March 2006 @ 07:49 |
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Thanks paddymail, and Tokijin. I will buy some TY's and I will test them out. I apprecieate the help..its frustrating understanding something new like having to learn +R's and -R's and booktyping and reading the code for TY mediea. It will all come to me in time I suppose.
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8. March 2006 @ 08:17 |
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No worries, there's not much to it really.. all you have to do is find some good media that works for you. If you check in my profile there is a link to a thread I made with most of the popular software for ps2 stuff like DVD Decrypter, iso buster, cd/dvd gen, gnie's expert tool and dvd identifier etc.. basically once you have the right media that works for you and you know how to do a straight iso read iso write method, that should be all you need in most cases. Then if the game needs a rebuild, the easiest method is to use gnie's expert shrinker tool to reduce the size of the ISO file and remove dummy files.. works in a lot of cases, then if that doesn't work use cd/dvd gen... If you have trouble with anything, post back on here and we'll try and help you fix it, provide you with info... although most of the time the answers can be found in the stickies also, we do try and help if we can.
good luck with it
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Xploitz
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8. March 2006 @ 09:10 |
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Ok...LAST QUESTION.. I SWEAR IT..(well at least concerning this thread!) Im shopping for mediea TY specefically http://www.supermediastore.com/searchresult.html?catalog=supermed...
Now my question is....how do I MAKE SURE Im getting Taiyo Yuden TYG02 media code??? I mean ..do any of these Taiyo Yuden 8X DVD-R's have TYG02?? Or is there a diffrence?
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8. March 2006 @ 10:54 |
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The trick is to buy from somewhere where they list the media code before purchase.. or several possible media codes it could be like so
http://www.supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-4x-dvd-r-media-silver-...
That way if the media don't code out to be the ones you ordered, simply send them back... be aware though that with some brands(not Taiyo yuden though) that they get discs from several different manufacturers and could maybe get for instance:- CMC MAG,TYG02,MCC etc.. now with those I wouldn't buy them as you might end up with CMC mag discs whjich are crap, the other 2 codes are excellent, but it's still a 1 in 3 chance of getting crap, see what I mean??... so go with something that you know you're gonna get is good.. I think the ones I linked to above should be ok, but to be on the safe side just get small packs to start with to see how they work for you... there's no point in buying big packs of stuff that you don't know if they'll be ok for you...
good luck
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Xploitz
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8. March 2006 @ 11:05 |
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Great!! Thank you once again paddymail!! Ill keep this thread bookmarked for my reference.
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8. March 2006 @ 11:08 |
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No worries :)
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8. March 2006 @ 11:30 |
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DVD+R's are superior in quality (hence the fact that they are more expensive) but are less compatible with PS2 versions 4 and below, DVD-R's are more compatible but not as good in quality. I use DVD+R's for my ps2 backup's cause I think it is better and can be read by my Slimline PS2. But if it's the money that's the problem, than stick with DVD-R's. Or you could try book typing DVD+R's into DVD-R's for more quality and compatibility.
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Xploitz
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8. March 2006 @ 12:36 |
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QUOTING 3dluis......
March 2006 @ 16:30
DVD+R's are superior in quality (hence the fact that they are more expensive),DVD-R's are more compatible but not as good in quality. I use DVD+R's for my ps2 backup's cause I think it is better and can be read by my Slimline PS2. But if it's the money that's the problem, than stick with DVD-R's. Or you could try book typing DVD+R's into DVD-R's for more quality and compatibility.
So then 3dluis,...Since I have a v9 Ps2..I dont need to booktype the DVD+R's?? BUT if I do decide to booktype them to DVD-R's...Ill improve the quality of the burn?? With that said then booktyping a DVD+R to -R will improve the quality of the burnt +R. Correct? But if I just do a regular burn on a +R..it wont match a booktyped +R's quality?? Im a little confused cause you said at first that you know +R's are superior...then you said you think they are better..which is it?? Im not at all trying to come off as an ass..I just want THE BEST rather its -R or +R..TY or Verbatim. Ya know what I mean??
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8. March 2006 @ 12:58 |
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Ok, first off when you booktype, it makes the dvd player/ps2 or whatever think that it's a dvd-rom disc that's been inserted, not DVD-R...
There is very little difference between the 2 formats + and - really, apart from the fact that dvd+r's can be booktyped.. and some players lasers prefer one kind over the other. It's mostly down to the quality of the dye that's used in my opinion...but i'm no expert on it and like I said "my opinion", not fact... If you really want to know more about the different formats you could try looking in a knowledgebase like wikipedia or something.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD%2BR
Just get a small pack of both types + and - from a good manufacturer(good dye) and see what works for you... Mine plays both absoloutley fine and is a V5 PS2.
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8. March 2006 @ 13:01 |
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DVD+R's are slighly better quality. DVD-R's are better as far as compatiblity. There isn't a ton of difference. In your case if you use DVD+R's, booktype them to DVD-ROM. If use DVD-R's, they should work fine too. If you use quality media with a v.9, regardless of format, you'll get good results. Simple as that.
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8. March 2006 @ 14:00 |
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9. March 2006 @ 07:50 |
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When I meant DVD+R's are supperior, they are and I do prefer DVD+R's than DVD-R's
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9. March 2006 @ 13:23 |
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Yeah I know 3DLuis, but we're bombarding him with info that may confuse him. Either format will work equally well, as long as you use quality media and follow good burning practices.
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