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jlrm365
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17. March 2006 @ 05:05 |
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Hello.
As a film student, I have been able to author some basic DVDs.
What I would like to know, as the content could be valuable in the future and certainly is (to me) now, is there any method by which I can protect my own films on DVD and promotional copies I may send?
I cannot find any info on this anywhere and it's quite frustrating.
Thanks.
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Jigen
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17. March 2006 @ 06:20 |
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Movie companies have millions upon millions to spend protecting their DVD's, yet no dice. Sorry, but a film student has no chance.
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jlrm365
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17. March 2006 @ 08:13 |
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Let me be more specific, as it seems to be unclear.
Obviously anything can be cracked, so to tell me so is of no use.
I am not looking to protect against crackers. I am looking to protect against the casual user.
I know of someone who builds in extra black space at the end of his copies, so that he can make a small scratch and render that whole VOB useless, but that's a bit more involved that I'd like to get.
What I am looking for is something to stop the average idiot using Nero or Roxio to make a straight copy.
Does such a thing or process exist?
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Whisperer
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17. March 2006 @ 09:40 |
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jlrm365,
Unfortunately there is no way to protect intellectual rights other than paying the the big players in CSS encoding and that involves big money and licensing. And even that doesn't protect.
You see, it's your concept that there is a difference between a cracker and being able "to protect against the casual user" that is a bit flawed. Any child can spend $59.00 and copy virtually anything. The rotten apples may use the technology to copy rented movies and sell pirated copies of the material. But honest people (like the majority of members on AD) don't pirate and only want protection from disk-damage (the home entertainment dollar-investment they have made), by backing up movies they have purchased. But a thief is a thief and this kind of person also probably cracked the backup software rather than spend the $59.00! This kind of person would also steal your material.
You are correct to not trust people with your film school creations. Lucas, Speilberg and Copolla never had to worry about DVD piracy when they were student's! Lucas actually made a student version of THX 1138 and movie history would have been changed if someone had stolen that idea from him!
Why not use your film to digital transfer talents to make, like the studios do, "trailer" samples of your work. Done well, your trailers should create enough interest to get you in the door for a pitch or a job interview etc. Bring the full version with you on DVD and don't "leave it with them" unless they are a very reputable organization and you have them sign a "Sample Agreement" of some kind. Perhaps your school has such a contract on file in it's legal dept. Perhaps, also, there may be some way of embedding a secret "watermark", individuallized for each company you interview with, within your DVD sample disks to use as evidence in any future piracy case you may see fit to bring against anyone. Or bring the actual film and your own projector and screen.
Best regards,
Whisperer
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 17. March 2006 @ 09:53
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jlrm365
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17. March 2006 @ 09:51 |
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I realise CSS does not protect, which is why I have specified that I wish to protect against crackers as opposed to the casual user.
The concept I specified is not flawed.
I live with six others and they are reasonable computer users but have no interest in making copies and have never downloaded more than songs.
This is the sort of person I refer to, when mentioning the casual user.
Trailers are all well and good but I have a lateral mind and so do those I deal with. Concepts change at the drop of a hat and I do not want to be left saying "but there's this other bit I could show you, though cannot".
I appreciate your time and consideration but am aware of all you have told me and it is because I am that the question stands.
Besides the method of my aquaintance, the deliberate scratch, is there any method by which a DVD backup of a project of mine can be protected? I realise that one works, but there has to be an easier method.
Thanks ;)
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Jigen
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17. March 2006 @ 11:07 |
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That scratching idea might work on idiots, which is what you seem to be going for? Pretty low tech too, so I doubt you'll find anything less involved than that.
I know you'd like to hear differently, but there is no secret recipe for burning a certain way, or a free program that locks up your discs. Sorry.
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jlrm365
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17. March 2006 @ 11:15 |
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You could copy a VOB that had a deep scratch through it? Polish only goes so far.
I realise it's a side issue, but tell me how... as I have been unable to, several times.
It seems to prevent copies regardless, precisely because it is low tech.
I'd like to hear differently? That's news.
Secrets are not what I am looking for. I am not asking for a free answer either.
I do not know how to be more clear but I am looking to copy protect my own material, which happens to be on DVD.
Cost is not an issue, but I would obviously like to have as much money spare as possible.
Scratching a VOB is free and effective, but crude. There has to be a better method.
Thanks.
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Jigen
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17. March 2006 @ 11:54 |
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Ok, let's assume that you want the authorized viewer to be able to view the entire film. In this case, even if all PC strategies choked (which might be possible if you get creative with the scratching), the film could still be copied by simply playing it on a DVD player and recording it with a DVD recorder.
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jlrm365
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17. March 2006 @ 16:14 |
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I am not quite sure what is unclear.
The last VOB is extended with black space, which is then scratched.
It contains the ending and is rendered uncopyable. Digital solutions cannot get around this because it is physical.
It doesn't matter if you can view it or not, on whatever medium or not. The black space never becomes a viewing issue.
That works but is not the answer.
What I am asking is...
Is there a software solution, or code process perhaps, that would enable me to protect basic films, on basic DVDs, against basic computer users?
Thanks ;)
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17. March 2006 @ 17:00 |
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jlrm365
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17. March 2006 @ 17:09 |
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Quite interesting indeed.
THAT is the sort of thing, the link, that would help.
I'll have to liaise with JaguarGod and see what can be sorted out.
Thanks for that.
Progress on the horizon.
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17. March 2006 @ 17:14 |
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No problem, he's not around a whole lot so good luck catching up with him.
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jlrm365
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17. March 2006 @ 17:14 |
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Have tried, so no worries.
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Buik
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17. March 2006 @ 18:02 |
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@ jlrm365
It is doubtful you can protect your content through "on disk" encryption or other methods of preventing copying. If it can be viewed, it can be copied. Period.
Perhaps the best thing you can do is "Copy Right" them. Get comfortable with the legal community if you deem your works to have sufficient value. Filing date for CR is important. The same for patents. Seems like some folks lost out to people like T.A.Edison because his filing preceeded theirs.
Best of luck to you.
TC
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jlrm365
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17. March 2006 @ 18:06 |
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Parts of my messages must be getting cut off.
I am not interested in absolute protection, as it obviously does not exist.
I am interested in countering the efforts of the basic computer user, using straight the copy features of simple sofware packages, such as Roxio and Nero.
Legal matters are not a problem.
LOCOENG's link, to the cogitations of JaguarGod, was good info and most useful, so I should be ok from there.
Thanks.
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golucky
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17. March 2006 @ 22:31 |
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didn't read any many of these posts here so i might be reitterating somebody.
"Macromedia" is one of the early and simple forms of copywrite protection. i know adobe premiere can add this for you during export. as far as i know, there are 3 different levels. probably the 3rd (if you have options) is the most up to date.
obviously there are programs that advanced people can use to hack passed this, but like you said, for casual basic copywrite protection, that's the way to go.
hope this helps
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jlrm365
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18. March 2006 @ 00:08 |
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You know that just might. I have been using a limited version and so must not have had access. I'll see what I can do about laying my hands on a full version. It'll be an arm and a leg, but cheaper than not.
Thanks.
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moonrocks
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21. March 2006 @ 08:41 |
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jlrm365
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22. March 2006 @ 01:03 |
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Great stuff. Will check it later.
That should seal it. I cannot imagine needing more help.
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