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$860 computer setup (...nevermind)
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drluv
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29. March 2006 @ 21:51 |
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ok but what about my power and cooling question?
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??? the case comes with a 400 Watt power supply. will this be sufficiant?
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??? I don?t even know what I will need here. I want something that?s not going to wake up the house, yet isnt so silent its expensive. Im looking for a 35ish maximum decibel level here. My case comes with two 80mm fans, and has enough room for 2 more 120mm fans.
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29. March 2006 @ 22:22 |
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Unless you're a keen overclocker/BIOS Modder, stick to the cheaper X800GTO standard, the only difference is the ABILITY to unlock more pipelines. This voids the warranty anyhow, so really you're better off either going GTO or XL.
Above all, NEVER use the PSU that comes with a case, they're generally severely underpowered, and about a third of all free-with-case PSUs will still be working two years after their purchase.
Get something like a Tagan or Enermax PSU, and try if at all possible to go X2, you won't know what you've missed in a year's time otherwise.
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drluv
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29. March 2006 @ 23:02 |
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ok by going X2 do i need a whole different motherboard? if i switch to the 3800X2, with the same motherboard, would it still work??
and which X800GTO would u recomend?
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29. March 2006 @ 23:04 |
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The X2 and A64 3700 are both socket 939, so you'd be able to use the same motherboard, but you might want to look at your case cooling, the X2s put out a fair bit more power (you've basically got two of which processor you have before, so you're putting out about 30% more heat).
I've no great preference for X800GTOs, but in general get one that has all the features you're after, and has a large-ish fan, they're quieter.
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drluv
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29. March 2006 @ 23:05 |
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oh and how many watts will i need, and what should i do about the cooling issue?
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29. March 2006 @ 23:13 |
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Erm, just add a few quiet case fans, if your case has room for them. Make sure the case has lots of ventilation.
I'd recommend a good brand PSU of AT LEAST 430W, preferably 480W.
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drluv
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29. March 2006 @ 23:17 |
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awesome! thanks alot for your help, i'll have my final setup on here by this time tommorow, then hopefully i'll be ready to start ordering!
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30. March 2006 @ 00:57 |
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No problem, glad I could help.
With case fans, I'd advise a maximum of about 28dBA. Doesn't matter if you don't mind a noisy PC, you can get cheap fans that are quieter than 28dBA and when you're above that level, at some point your PC WILL bug you about how noisy it is. With GPU fans it's unavoidable (so the HIS ICEQ range is good, since they use big quiet fans) but with case & CPU fans you can usually see the noise level down to a level of your liking. I think the X2 stock heatsink is pretty good, since it's a powerful CPU, and thus needs a good HS.
On a side note, my PC has 8 fans in it... :D
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30. March 2006 @ 13:48 |
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To Dr. Luv:
You are getting a great processor at a great price with that 3700+. I just purchase mine received mine among other components last wednesday. What are your purposes of your computer build. That will help you decide the best. For example: I know that I am not a gamer nor a video editing junky so having the fastest pc was not really a concern.
Plus I have a budget that isn't all that large and I didn't want to spend more than $800 on my pc. So I decided that I wanted a motherboard that is very overclocking friendly and stable, so if I do so chose to overclock in the future I will have that opportunity. I made sure I got enough memory at dual channel capabilities and had decent latency speeds that is also overclockable. My memory modules are at CAS 3 settings but can get to 2.5-3-3-8 and still be stable. I got 2 gigabytes of memory.
I have a very stable 250 gb SATA cache 8 harddrive from Western Digital. I have a stable ATX v.2.03 psu and I can always purchase another one when I get the chance.
As I have stated many times before I am not a gamer and since my board has pretty good onboard video, I didn't feel the need to get a video card at this moment. But like everyone else I will and do plan to upgrade and add at later times and since my total cost of all my components came up to only 630.85 or so and that included shipping, I have the money to upgrade and add. Personally I don't understand those that spends thousands of dollars on a system that they know will want to completely replace in a year and half when all the new technological advances arive.
For me I have been deciding on what I wanted for a year now and I finally narrowed it down and bought what I wanted. I would have felt foolish spending 1500 dollars on a system when I know that Intel is coming out with all types of incredible technological advances such as there upcoming onboard flash memory which will help load games and OS systems quicker, their new Harddrive technology which will also help shorten load times and increase the speeds of other applications along with there "conroe" cpu's that have lower voltage and wattage usuage and have better speeds plus some will have 4mb cache on the two total cores. AMD is finally supporting HD onboard sound and DDR-2.
So much is on its way and I know that I am a techie fiend so why spend all that money when I will want to completely replace my system in a year's or even less time. That is just my take on it.
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novicebb
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30. March 2006 @ 13:48 |
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To Dr. Luv:
You are getting a great processor at a great price with that 3700+. I just purchase mine received mine among other components last wednesday. What are your purposes of your computer build. That will help you decide the best. For example: I know that I am not a gamer nor a video editing junky so having the fastest pc was not really a concern.
Plus I have a budget that isn't all that large and I didn't want to spend more than $800 on my pc. So I decided that I wanted a motherboard that is very overclocking friendly and stable, so if I do so chose to overclock in the future I will have that opportunity. I made sure I got enough memory at dual channel capabilities and had decent latency speeds that is also overclockable. My memory modules are at CAS 3 settings but can get to 2.5-3-3-8 and still be stable. I got 2 gigabytes of memory.
I have a very stable 250 gb SATA cache 8 harddrive from Western Digital. I have a stable ATX v.2.03 psu and I can always purchase another one when I get the chance.
As I have stated many times before I am not a gamer and since my board has pretty good onboard video, I didn't feel the need to get a video card at this moment. But like everyone else I will and do plan to upgrade and add at later times and since my total cost of all my components came up to only 630.85 or so and that included shipping, I have the money to upgrade and add. Personally I don't understand those that spends thousands of dollars on a system that they know will want to completely replace in a year and half when all the new technological advances arive.
For me I have been deciding on what I wanted for a year now and I finally narrowed it down and bought what I wanted. I would have felt foolish spending 1500 dollars on a system when I know that Intel is coming out with all types of incredible technological advances such as there upcoming onboard flash memory which will help load games and OS systems quicker, their new Harddrive technology which will also help shorten load times and increase the speeds of other applications along with there "conroe" cpu's that have lower voltage and wattage usuage and have better speeds plus some will have 4mb cache on the two total cores. AMD is finally supporting HD onboard sound and DDR-2.
So much is on its way and I know that I am a techie fiend so why spend all that money when I will want to completely replace my system in a year's or even less time. That is just my take on it.
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drluv
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31. March 2006 @ 11:39 |
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my main purpose is gameing, and not having to upgrade for at least 3 years in order to play the newest games. i would rather buy a kickass computer instead of a next gen. console, and use the computer for everything from music to photoshop to the best gaming i can get. im looking at college in a year, and a very nice computer would probably be the best thing i would want to own :). plus the whole experience of building a computer. if it does end up being way overbudget, i will probably just sell it to a friend and get even more money than it cost to build. right now i have about $500 in my bank account, and in about 2 months i should have enough to build a $1k computer. i dont want to buy cheep components, because in less than a year new games wont be playable on that computer, and then i'll have to upgrade, and then it will of cost me even more. i see yourpoint of the dual core processor thing, and thats why i was so persistant about buyinng a 2700+. but for only $82 more im told im getting one hell of a processor. i will probably buy everything else before i buy the video card, and then spend the additional $150. i was origionally spending $850, it is now up to about $1000, but if i leave out the video card, i will be back down around $850... so i figure it will be worth it. a computer is an investment, you buy what you get. i would rather buy quality parts and a high quality computer than the lower quality ones, and not be sorry in the end. as for ocing, hopefully with this setup that wount be necissary for quite some time.
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31. March 2006 @ 11:53 |
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It's a good plan. Basically what I'd say is don't rely on overclocking to ensure you'll get what you want out of the PC. You may end up not getting much then want to upgrade. As you say, stick to quality parts and you'll come out a winner.I'm currently browsing through prices for this that and the other, except I'm looking at a bit over £1000, rather than a bit under $1000, so quite a lot more PC. But then again I'm going for an almuminium NZXT case, neons, UV components, and an absolutely ass-kicking CPU and GPU, mainly because I want to actually be able to play any game I so choose for at least a year, to some degree. The way things are progressing at the moment, that seems a bit ambitious. It won't be long before the current elite are dinosaurs, mainly to keep up with PC game producers' lust for power. You don't see any better graphics today on games that want 2.5Ghz CPUs as older ones that asked for 1Ghz. I really don't see how many current games top the older Unreal 2 engine...
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drluv
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1. April 2006 @ 00:43 |
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well tech advances are unbelievable nowadays, and its impossible to be future proof. i might just hold off on the whole pc think till i have some real money to work with, at least i came out with the info that building a quality pc that will last is expensive :). ive just turned 17 so i suppose i have time in my life to save my goal of building a computer for a later date. well thanks for all your help, sorry i wont be using it, but it was fun to "build" a computer on here with u guys! i'll use alot of the info on here when i do decide to pursue this dream of mine later on (could b this summer :p).
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1. April 2006 @ 00:55 |
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The way I see it, there's little point holding back because you'll always end up with something out of date soon after. The only reason to wait is to save up more, to make it last longer.
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1. April 2006 @ 16:44 |
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Actually I shopped for a graphics card for like 3 weeks, I ended up getting hooked on the X800GTO 2, until I found out that the price has gone up on them since they aren't being made anymore, and you can get an X850 XT which is a slightly better card, for less. I just bought it from newegg for 160. It takes up 2 slots, but that is the ONLY bad thing I've heard about it, of yeah and one VGA and one DVI instead of DUAL DVI, but seriously? I won't be buying a new moniter for a while, and when I do, I won't buy 2! Check the X850 XT out. I'm waiting on it now (bought it yesterday), but when I get it, I'll post some benchmarks.
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2. April 2006 @ 00:43 |
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The X850XT (not XL as in your signiature, there's no such thing!) is a fantastic GPU, and you'll be steaming through gaming benchmarks. There really is a marked improvement of that over the X800GTO.
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2. April 2006 @ 16:16 |
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You're right about the XT. I wrote it right in my message, had no idea I had it wrong in my sig. Thanks, I can't wait till Tues or Wednesday.
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3. April 2006 @ 01:47 |
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No I bet!
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