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4. July 2006 @ 12:46 |
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rick5446,
6 drives, wow!!! My case has 7, although one is for the floppy but you could put a hard drive in it. I don't think I would want that many because of the extra heat. Have you considered the posibility of a couple of these?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148134
The price has come to a reasonable level and it would give you 1.5 Terabytes of hard disk space for a little over $800. That's outstanding when you consider how much these went for when they first came out. You would certainly be able to store a heck of a lot of video with them. Plus it's SATA 3.0! Check it out.
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theone
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4. July 2006 @ 12:48 |
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Thats insane, and pretty good value too. However it's a lot of data to back up!
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4. July 2006 @ 13:43 |
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theonejrs..The thing is I've already got the harddrives,I started w/120gig when I thought they were cheap 99.00,eventualy went all the way too 250gig for 59.00ea U jump to 300gigs & up price also jumps..I think I prefer the 250's for a lot of reasons,cost,file loss,defrag,etc..I can be defraging one drv,while still working on another.My main drv is only 120gig,for programs.While I only use the others for storage.I had 1 drv go out on me [western digital-120],so fortunately I only lost a small portion.
Ive very good luck with the HITACHI's 250gig,bought them on sale for 69.00 @compusa,also with the compusa HDD [THINK THEY are Maxtor]not sure
But for storage as these Drvs burn-out,I'll consider the larger ones,considering price..for now I've got enough..Just would like to invest in a little beter system..WITH a larger cs & definitely a good powersupply to run it.I don't know if the pwrspply will have all the cables I'll need or the proper amps to support Brd,CPU X2,& HDD
So if I get a tower w 5HDD Bays,I'll be able to use the floppy for a HDD,IS THAT RIGHT ?
This is the powersupply I'm considering..ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT ATX12V 620W Power Supply - Don't know if this is overkill or not 160.00 newegg
Also want to use 1 bay for those fans that fit to cool HDD
I'm pretty well set on a 3800+X2 Dual-Core Processor,not sure on the mobo yet,might use Abit,or Gigabyte
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4. July 2006 @ 13:58 |
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Yeah should be fine.
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4. July 2006 @ 14:40 |
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rick5446,
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So if I get a tower w 5HDD Bays,I'll be able to use the floppy for a HDD,IS THAT RIGHT ?
That depends on the design. Some will and some won't. On my case all the 3 1/2" bays are in a line so it can be done. Some cases make a seperate shorter floppy bay. My case has 4 5 1/4" bays on top. I have a DVD Rom, then a DVD Burner a blank and then a CDRW. All my IDEs are all taken but I still will be able to add 4 SATA hard drives if I want. I have a Maxtor Diamond Plus 120 GB for now that's split into 2 logical drives. It's quiet and reasonably fast. The only reason I say that is because the Raptors are much faster.
As far as the PS goes, even the one you are looking at would be a little taxed with all the stuff you run unless your externals have their own PS. Here's a calculator for wattage requirements.
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp
I did a rough calc on yours, without any overclocking. It comes to 527 watts, so the PS you are considering might not be enough. I would look for a 650 watt or better PS because of all the hard drives. Like I said, if the Externals have their own PS then the one you picked will be fine as long as you don't intend to make them internal.
Happy Computering,
theone
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4. July 2006 @ 14:45 |
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theonejrs..My intention was to put as many HDD's as possible inside the case,as these external houseings are breaking down.I 've already lost 2.The ADS's are about 80.00 a piece
Also just noticed their are 2 diff 3800+ a 1.35 & 1.4 whats the dif.
Checked out that site,Thanks it helps alot.IT POINTS TO A 624watt with what I've got..GUESSING I'M GOING TO HAVE A REALLY EXPENSIVE powersupply
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4. July 2006 @ 15:10 |
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rick5446,
That's another reason I suggested the 750. I mean even just one would give you 3/4 of a Terabyte of storage! Power supplies above 650 watts are available but in the long run the 750 GB drive would be a better investment. By the time you get everything needed to power and cool what you have, it would be the cheaper (and much cooler) route, and far less noisey!
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theonejrs
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4. July 2006 @ 15:29 |
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theonejrs..You are right..but HDD's do go bad.As mine will eventualy,as this happens I'll replace with the others.In the meen time I'll know I've got a stable system W/sufficent power for all.
Still my only draw back is losing 4 or 500gigs of Video vs 250
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4. July 2006 @ 17:42 |
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rick5446,
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Still my only draw back is losing 4 or 500gigs of Video vs 250
Look into a program, Acronis TrueImage 9. You can back up the data to any hard drive and it compresses and decompresses perfectly. It saves me a lot of work when something roaches in XP. Takes me about 7 minutes to restore mine and it can be restored without an operating system installed and to any hard drive no matter what size or type, as long as the drive you are restoring it to is large enough. When it's on sale, it's usually about $29. in fact it's on sale for $25, right now at Newegg!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832200204
I have a small 60 GB drive that I store the backup on for both partitions. If you need it, you just boot the program disk or make a boot CD and tell it what you want to restore. It also does incremental backups as well so you can update without having to back up everything. The first time you need it will pay for itself. You can clone drives as well. You don't even have to erase a drive before restoring. Once it's done restoring, just re-boot and it comes up just as it was before the problem! Highly recomended!!
Happy Computering,
theone
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4. July 2006 @ 18:35 |
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theonejrs..What your saying is I can back-up 4 or 500gigs of video on less the 60gig HDD.
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4. July 2006 @ 19:42 |
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rick5446,
No, I'm saying thet you should be able to back up that much in about half the space or less. Rather than compress the video in the conventional manner, it backs it up as data. 1s and 0s! I've restored my system about 4 times in the last year and have never lost a single byte! And, it is much faster to restore than comventional backups! For my boot drive it compresses about 35MB of data into an 18.7G GB file!
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4. July 2006 @ 21:40 |
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@theonejrs,
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it compresses about 35MB of data into an 18.7G GB file!
Are you sure??
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4. July 2006 @ 21:51 |
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I am at wits end. I purchased a Thermaltake Purepower 460w blue light power supply. I went to use it, and of course I checked it on my power supply tester. Everything seems ok except I get no green light on the -5v. I have rma'd it twice and they just sent me one new in the box. Am I missing somthing?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details....
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4. July 2006 @ 22:05 |
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@Baltekmi,
I noticed -5v doesn't have a amperage rating??
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4. July 2006 @ 22:10 |
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crowey,
It seems so far that what you have shown me is indicative of the
"sli" ready power supplies. So will it mess up my mobo if I use it on a non sli board?
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
LG 20.1 FLATRON WIDESCREEN/BFG 6800 ultra@450 mgz/2 wd raptor 150 raid/Ultra 500 watt Direct connet ps
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4. July 2006 @ 22:18 |
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@baltekmi,
No,of course it won't mess up your board(Unless there is a fault with the power supply.) SLI ready just means it has the extra power to run 2 graphics cards.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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4. July 2006 @ 22:21 |
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so is that what the -5v is for...sli?
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
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4. July 2006 @ 22:58 |
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crowy,
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Are you sure??
Actually It's 37.8 GB for the 18.7 GB file. I just rounded it off to 35 GB to allow a little slack in case rick5446 buys it and doesn't get quite as good compression. I am going to do a full backup of my C drive pretty soon and I will give you the used hard drive space and the file size it creates from it. I'll do it before the end of the week. TrueImage 9 does a great job. It's a little tricky to understand but it works way better than anything I've ever used before.
Right now the C drive has about 38 MB on it but I usually clean everything up before I do the backup so I expect around 36 or so MB to be on the drive as I've already un-installed programs I don't use or have replaced with other programs. I haven't used it in a while so I don't remember if it makes a report, but if it does I will PM you the results.
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
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4. July 2006 @ 23:55 |
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Lol you wrote 35MB not 35GB theone, that's why he said "are you sure?" I don't get readings off my Hiper for -5V or -12V, but it doesn't bother me, the system works!
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5. July 2006 @ 00:07 |
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@Baltekmi,
-5 volt support has been optional in PSUs since ATX12V 1.3 because it's rarely used anymore. It's rarely included in new PSUs. But some old motherboards or ISA expansion cards require -5.
Your psu doesn't have -5v!!
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5. July 2006 @ 00:09 |
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Would it be possible a PSU has a -5V rail but it has no reason because the mobo doesn't use it? My old board may have used -5V, but the A8N-Sli SE probably doesn't.
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5. July 2006 @ 00:15 |
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@sammorris,
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Would it be possible a PSU has a -5V rail but it has no reason because the mobo doesn't use it?
Thats correct,my psu has -5v which is only used if your board needs it.As I said,this is optional on the later psu's.
12v is used for motors IE:hard drives/dvd-rom drives/system fans.
+5volts is used for the digital circuitry.
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5. July 2006 @ 00:17 |
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Well that's not strictly true, 12V is the voltage that's run through regulators to power the CPU and GPU, so most of the digital circuitry effectively runs off 12V, even if it actually uses 1.3V or 2V or whatever.
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5. July 2006 @ 00:48 |
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@sammorris,
I have to disagree though not entirely.
This may explain it better:
The exception being cpu and PCI express.
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5. July 2006 @ 00:50 |
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A bit of a big exception is it not? I was speaking from the PCI express standpoint, since that's what most aDers use. You're right, AGP cards do use 3.3V instead I think, but speaking from the PCIe standpoint, 12V is running most of the circuitry.
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