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Intel vs. AMD
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14. July 2006 @ 23:06 |
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Looks like the conroe is out of the box and out of vaporware.
ANd it is kicking AMD's butt. Even the lowly chip beats out the best Amd prosessr. Amd has some answering to do... can they answer?
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boxwrench
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14. July 2006 @ 23:17 |
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@theone,
Thanks for the link,have you got another link to the money? LOL! If I can scrape some extra cash together I will be getting one myself...before they are gone!
@baltekmi,
I'm sure AMD will have an answer,the question is will it come too late.Intel is certainly causing quite a stir and I'm sure people will be swarming on this new offering.
Main System- Amd/64 3800x2 currently@ 2.5ghz. Asus A8N-E,win.xp-pro.4x1gb.Ocz platnium ddr 400,Maxtor 40gb.& 250gb.ide & 2x W.D.250 sata,Benq 1650V dvd Reader & Benq DW-1655 Writer,EVGA Geforce 7600gs,Creative Audigy-LS,Antec 750w psu. Vizio 37"hdtv monitor 1360x768@75hz.
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15. July 2006 @ 00:32 |
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boxwrench,
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LOL! If I can scrape some extra cash together I will be getting one myself...before they are gone!
That's what happened to me. I had an X850 Pro on order for $154, total! My bank didn't clear it in time. I missed out on it by about 4 hours! Glad it happened now! I wound up with a cheap AGP that's got 16 active pipes, the fast Samsung memory and the R430 chip! This is essentially an X800 XT. Hooked up digitally it's more than I hoped for when I bought it. DVD's are no longer "movies", they're an exciting experience! There's no comparisun between the analog and the digital. The analog is TV and the digital is amazing. You see things you've never seen before because of the amazing detail digital affords. I can't wait to see "Batman the Begining" and maybe "King Kong" The dimensionality the digital gives it is almost like 3D. Throw in "Jurasic Park" and wow.........! It's as close to real life as you can get, second only to the real thing!
Happy Computering,
theone
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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aabbccdd
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15. July 2006 @ 13:11 |
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hey guys iam back got my Temp. problems fixed and everything is running great. i put in the new fans you linked me Russ (they work well) turned the Zalman around so it blowing towards the back of the case along with the rear case fan blowing out too and a video card cooler for my 7800-GTX. Plus a bios update helped some other problems .so my temps are down almost 15 degrees wow huh lol mobo running at 35c and the cpu at 36c at idle lots lots better!!!! so thanks everyone for the help, shes good to go Captain Kirk so beam me up!!!!
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15. July 2006 @ 15:09 |
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aabbccdd,
I'm glad to hear that you've got the temps under control. How quiet are those Sythe Fans!LOL Bet the whole computer is a lot quieter as well. Glad it worked well for you. Eventually I'll get a couple of the Sythe fans for myself and enjoy a little quiet as well.
Got my new X800 GTO AGP 8x video card installed. The way it all worked out turned out to be quite a bargain. First thing is it came with the good GPU chip, the R430. It also came with all 16 pipes enabled and the fast Samsung memory. Saphire may call it a GTO, but the specs call it an X800 XT. It will waste any nVidia card except the 7800GS, and there, it's pretty even as most of the differences are subjective with no real performance gain for one or the other. Out of the box, stock mine does 11487 3DMarks (3D Mark 3.0)! I play Halo at max everything and it's smooth as glass.
The digital output to my Sceptre is connected and I can't find words to express how it lookes when playing a DVD. Easiest way to describe it is Analog, it's TV! Great TV, but TV none the less. Digital it's an amazing experience. Where you would see a dark area on the screen with the analog, there's detail with the digital in that same dark area. You see so much more than ever before. The depth is another amazing thing too! It's just so real and lifelike with a dimensionality that's just incredible. Almost 3D! In movies like Batman Begins or King Kong the 3D effect will have you ducking. The Shawshank Redemption (my finest recent RB/CCE work), in your minds eye, puts you in the picture. You feel like you are right in the cell!
I have a Sony Scientific Medical 17" RGB monitor that cost a whopping $1800 4 years ago that doesn't look as good! I don't know that the video card itself improves DVD picture quality very much. I wouldn't think so, but the digital.......! WOW!!!!!!! Can't ever go back to analog now!
Happy Computering,
theone
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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15. July 2006 @ 15:33 |
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Russ i know what ya mean the Digital AVI cable is the only way to go DVDs look life like on my Veiwsonic 20.1 LCD
the fans are perfect you cant here them run at all .the system quite plus its running cool (to the tune of 15 degrees cooler) iam so happy lol
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15. July 2006 @ 15:34 |
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@theone,
But do you like it? LOL!!
Main System- Amd/64 3800x2 currently@ 2.5ghz. Asus A8N-E,win.xp-pro.4x1gb.Ocz platnium ddr 400,Maxtor 40gb.& 250gb.ide & 2x W.D.250 sata,Benq 1650V dvd Reader & Benq DW-1655 Writer,EVGA Geforce 7600gs,Creative Audigy-LS,Antec 750w psu. Vizio 37"hdtv monitor 1360x768@75hz.
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15. July 2006 @ 19:11 |
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boxwrench,
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But do you like it? LOL!!
Yea! Except none of the games work again. Voltages are good so I know that's not the issue. The vid card only shares with the hard drive so I don't know what it is. I'm about ready to give up on XP and go back to 2000 Pro. At least everything runs on that. Every damn time Windows XP updates I have a platter full of bugs! A year without a Profile and now I have to click it on every damn time I boot up! I don't want the damn thing and now M$ says I have to have it and it can't be removed, at least not easily! My question to Mr. Gates is how come I could play Quake yesterday, but I can't play it today? There's been no hardware or software added and it ran Prime95 all night without a glitch or error!
aabbccdd,
You are more than welcome! Glad everything worked out, in a nice quiet (pun intended) way! Nothing beats good airflow, especially good quiet airflow!
Happy Computering,
theone
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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15. July 2006 @ 19:37 |
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theonejrs,
A year without a Profile and now I have to click it on every damn time I boot up!
Get TweakUI from MS, and you will never have to select a Profile again, it works.
My last post here, hopefully.
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16. July 2006 @ 09:02 |
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rick5446
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16. July 2006 @ 09:31 |
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DA YA Think this power supply would run all the necessities on a mobo,plus an ATI ALL IN WONDER 9000Pro,1 DVD Drv,1 DVD RW,1 Floppy,6 ide HDD's
If not what could someone suggest!!THANKS
Ive got to start ordering things while I've got the bucks
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817182037
Rosewill RP600S-2MK ATX12V 600 W Power Supply 115/230 V CSA, CB, TUV, FCC, UL
Model RP600S-2MK
SPEC
Type ATX12V
Maximum Power 600 W
Fans 1 x Silent 120mm Ball-bearing Fan with Blue LED
PFC No
Main Connector 20+4-Pin
Dual +12V Yes
SLI Support No
Modular Cabling Support Yes
Over Voltage Protection YES
Overload Protection YES
Input Voltage 115/230 V
Input Frequency Range 50/60Hz
Input Current 12A @ 115AC, 6A @ 230AC
Output +3.3V@30A, +5V@55A, +12V1@19A, +12V2@19A, -12V@1A, +5VSB@2.5A
MTBF 100k hours at max. load, normal line and 25°C
Approvals CSA, CB, TUV, FCC, UL
Features
Connectors 1 x Main connector (20+4 pin)
1 x 12V (P4)
1 x 12V(8 pin)
8 x peripheral
2 x SATA
2 x Floppy
1 x PCI-E
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FIHSNERD
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16. July 2006 @ 10:02 |
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i was looking at the same thing.. i think it will.. they said it was above what the specs said.. which is good.. so i think it is an exelent ps.. but i think for the price, it runs ar 550W which is cool because it is 600W and it is modular..
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rick5446
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16. July 2006 @ 10:27 |
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FIHSNERD..My primary concern is enough power lines to run the HDD's.I've even considered a SATA2IDE converter cbl,but read somewhere these don't always work
this particular is only 12+x2 at 19amps
Somewhere else I had read that the amps are very important,I think maybe should be around 25to30amps.Don't really know though as I've never built a system B4.So if Ima gonna doit I A WANNA DO IT RIGHT
I'm waiting on the Dual Core AMD's to come down a little[hopefully by the end of the mon]
ANYBODY feel free to jump-in & respond
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crowy
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16. July 2006 @ 16:01 |
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@rick5446,
Go here and do the calculations for your new build.
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp
Remember,most psu manufacturers over rate their power supplies and give you a peak wattage rating.That means a 600 watt power supply may deliver 600 watts but only for a very short time before it shuts down.Deduct 30% off of the manufacturers rating IE: If psu has a 600 watt rating expect 420 watts @ 100% duty cycle 24/7.
Also have a look here to get an idea of the not recommended brands.
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29248
Hiper are probably one of the best around at the moment.
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rick5446
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16. July 2006 @ 17:05 |
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crowy..That little calculation page shows 511 Watt PSU.How important are the AMPS?They do vary on a lot of PSU
Also if their are not enough power connectors for HDD's is it safe to use a splitter
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crowy
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17. July 2006 @ 00:09 |
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rick5446,
The amps are required to get things powered up eg:hard drive motors spinning up,dvd rom drive motors spinning up.A hard drive can draw up to around 2.8 amps @ 12v and .75 amps @+5v when its spinning up at boot and then drop down to .7 amps once its reached max rpm.So in your case with 6 drives you are looking at 16.8 amps 12v. 4.5amps +5v which is about 220 watts which must be supplied for around 10 seconds just for your hard drives.After 10 seconds the 12v current consumption drops to the steady state of about 0.7A on each of the 5v and 12v rails, about 12W total for each drive or 72 watts for 6 drives.You then have to take into consideration everything else thats powering up at the same time(mainboard,videocard,floppy drive,usb peripherals if they draw power from the system etc.) So the amps are what you need to get eveything up to a stable state.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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rick5446
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17. July 2006 @ 02:28 |
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crowy..Then it would probably be safe to have a PSU/W about 13amps instead of the 30amps
Also what about my question about enough power connectors for HDD's is it safe to use a splitter [1x2]
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17. July 2006 @ 06:39 |
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HELP?!?!
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crowy
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17. July 2006 @ 13:03 |
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@rick5446,
A splitter will be ok just as long as the current draw on the 12v. / +5v. rails doesnt exceed the rated output of the psu at start up.Remember most psu manufacturers exceed there claimed output by as much as 30%.Dont fall for the 1000Watt 65amp psu for $20 mentality,It's not going to happen.You get what you pay for is true to a certain extent with psu's although there are exceptions.Have a look for some psu comparisons on the web and try to get an idea of what and what not to go for.If possible get a psu locally so if there is a problem,a return for exchange does'nt take days or weeks.One more thing, if you want peace of mind a second psu to power all of those drives may be an option.
@FIHSNERD,
Are you drowning?
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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He_Man
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17. July 2006 @ 13:05 |
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hi people,i would be appreciative if u could tell me if a amd turion 64 2ghz in a hp laptop is faster than a intel pentium 4 2.4ghz in a pc?
thanks in advance
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17. July 2006 @ 13:07 |
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HECK YES.. and amd turon 2.0 would beat a 3.0 Pentium 4 at the least..
and no i am deowning in a pool of anti attention.. :)
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crowy
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17. July 2006 @ 13:13 |
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@FIHSNERD,
I'll let the vid card gurus answer your question.
Where's sammorris?
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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17. July 2006 @ 13:15 |
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your right, i have not seen him in a while myself
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17. July 2006 @ 13:30 |
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HECK YES.. and amd turon 2.0 would beat a 3.0 Pentium 4 at the least..
No it wouldn't.
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rick5446
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17. July 2006 @ 15:17 |
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crowy..Thought of a 2nd PSU..BUT WHERE TO PUT IT?I'm definately going to get a mid to max tower.Some max towers have 12 HDD Bays maybe put it their,don't know.But 2 PSU is definetly on my mind.NewEgg has a nice
Rosewill RP600S-2MK ATX12V 600 W Power Supply for $74.99.
Unless U might know of a more stable,durable UNIT
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