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theonejrs,
Here's my benches @ stock (350/500)and o/c (418/640)respectively.Everything at default settings in 3D mark.
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crowy,
What video card are you running?
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@theonejrs,
Geforce 6600LE.
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OMGROFLMAO!!! *Falls on the floor with tears running down his face* Time for an upgrade maybe? lol
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@Estuansis,
No not really.This card is good enough at the moment.
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crowy,
It does the same thing to the 6800GS as well. Newegg has the one I bought on sale.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102002
It's about even in performance with the 7800GS. They both have their pros and cons but in the end it's what you like seeing. Speed wise they are about the same!
Happy Computering,
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Hi guys,
You all got me interested in this 3DMark thing. Do you fellas just run it at the default settings it's installed with or do you tweak things around? If so what changes do you make?
I ran it at default settings and got this,
I now have my 4200+ running at 2.4GHz and my 6800GS running at 510/1211 (vs. 490/1000 stock) with everything stable so far :)
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@Nephilim,
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Ok, things are pretty good then, yeah?
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Yeah, that's about right for those specs.
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seeing as people are running the 3Dmark03 tests here, thought i would give my Nvidia SLI setup a run (2 x Nvidia Geforce Evga 6800 ultras) core/clock 400mhz/1100mhz respectively, no overclocking whatsoever...
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so for the doubters of SLI performance/capabilities, please sit down :)
found here (currently out of stock) :
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btw, i got lower scores with my ATI x1900xtx (single), albeit on my Intel based system which is slower than my AMD, just wanted to compare the two to dispell any "myths" :)
going to build a Conroe system within the next few months, leaning towards the E6700 at this point w/ ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe mobo~ :) i'm fairly certain that i won't reach the 4ghz OC'in mark, but i should definitely be able to obtain at least a 3.5ghz from the original 2.67ghz, seeing as how this new Intel is so "ready" for performance gains... :)
this is my 1st rare contribution here in this particular thread, but just wanted to give some input and suggestions for those thinking about a future Conroe build (very few days left till release...i'm eagerly waiting myself...)
have a good one all, back to my lil "vacation/break" from AD~ :)
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edit: tried to get that huge white gap to disappear on my 2nd benchmark but was unable to do so...sorry for the "big gap" there~
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Wow. Just did it and got 18564. But going on the fact that you are running two GPUs, both having about the same power as mine that's not bad.
N6800U are powerful but rare nowadays and expensive because the original GeForce 6800 line is nearly out of production. The only one hanging on is the GS.
This is all the more reason to get my toledo 4400+ after the Conroe comes out. OC it to 2.9GHz and I'll be living large. Then I'll get an X1800XT 512MB or X1900XT 256MB and bring myself out on top for a short time. I do plan on getting the new X2XXX cores when they come out. X2900XTX 512MB(or whatever they decide to call it) is my first move. That and a heavily OC'd 4400+ will own all. I'll replace my mobo too with something much higher-end with Crossfire support.
This one, actually:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131004
Gonna be a $1400 shopping trip :D Lucky I saved up to put myself on top at this critical point.
If conroe is as cheap as they say though then I WILL buy it after it has at least 6 months to work out bugs and get some decent mobos. I am a fan of the current performance leader. I don't like it but pretty soon AMD is going have to step down unless they can counter Conroe's technology with something similar very quickly.
Luckily eBay will be there to help me dump the excess hardware. Or I'll use it all in gift builds and some highspeed wireless dataservers to save case space for better cooling for the OC.
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AMD will def. have an answer for the Conroe with the AMD3 which is looking like early 2007
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Hi all,Well I figured I'd get into the act also...so here it is.
These are the results from my sig.system (above),my Intel system (below)overclocked to 3.6 did not fair as well,though I truly did'nt expect it to.
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kivory666,
Let's be a little fair. Comparing PCIe and Dual SLI is going overboard quite a bit. We are talking 8x AGP single card here! I don't expect it to match up to PCIe 16x standards which should, at least in theory be twice as fast as an 8x AGP. Nice numbers though!!
Happy Computering,
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I was told the Intel is better than AMD when you run some applications at the same time and when it comes to image manipulation and video editing. But I was also told that AMDs are generally faster and need less cache.
I am about to buy a new PC and the neverending debate pretty much confused me.
If I am going to use Photoshop and edit videos, what would you suggest me to buy (not dual-core)?
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zoolu,
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If I am going to use Photoshop and edit videos, what would you suggest me to buy (not dual-core)?
I'm not trying to be a smart-#** but why on earth would you not consider a Dual-Core at this time? In less than a week, single cores are going to be completely obsoleted by the Conroe. AMD is announcing it's 30 to 50% price cuts on all their Dual-Core processors on the 24th!!! They won't say if that includes Opterons. They won't deny it either!!
I went from a very fast Intel 530 socket 478 P4 3.0/800 running at 3.71GHz to an Intel D940 socket 775 Presler Dual-Core 3.2/800 running at 3.75GHz. Would I switch back? Not bloody likely! At 20,000 MIPS, it's almost twice as fast as the Prescott. For me it was an economy build using my AGP card, PC3200 memory, drives and CPU Cooler from the Prescott. I had to go AGP as I couldn't afford a new MB and PCIe card at the same time. I also had to stay with DDR as that's what I had. It cost me $375 total. I just added a Saphire X800 GTO video card that came with all 16 pipes enabled, the good Samsung memory and the R430 GPU. It does a pretty good imitation of an x800 XT! My 12,000+ 3DMarks is real good for an AGP card!
Including the new Arctic Freezer 7 Pro CPU cooler I just bought to replace the Zalman 9500, I've invested a total of $541 in this machine and it rocks!! My advise to you is wait a little bit until the smoke clears from all the Intel/AMD hoopla and then see what's available to you. I think you would be able to do the same build I did, the way that I did it for a lot less money than I spent!
Happy Computering,
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i was in no way trying to compare a PCIe to that of an AGP, your scores are VERY good for an AGP based card, i remember my 3dmark03 scores were right around your range when i had my Nvidia Geforce BFG 5950 ultra in AGP~ :) (i have a thing for "ultras"...bad habit)
anyways, since everyone was putting up their 3DMark benchmarks, i figured why not as a starting point to discuss the Conroe's imminent release and MY personal suggestions as to what I'M going to build with which parts~ :) just staying on topic with the gpu benches as an "ice-breaker"...and then to the whole Intel vs AMD discussion~
if "as you say" AMD decides to drop the prices of the Opterons after Conroe release (i know that they DON'T specify EXACTLY whether or not the price cuts will affect the Opterons, they never said it WON'T..so, it's a possibility...but based on a VERY preliminary chart, at least THUS FAR, it's only the AMD x2 dual cores with the 512k cache that are being reduced in price, NOT the 1mb as in the 4400+, 4800+ and the high-end FX line) here is the TEMPORARY/PRELIMINARY chart of price cuts
@Estuansis
i've used practically all the various models of video cards from BOTH Nvidia and ATI, so don't even think for a second i'm a "fanboy" of either...i generally tend to get the "high-end" for each of the models in my years of building computers (5900,6800,7800,7900, waiting on the 7950 for nvidia & 9800, x850,x1600,x1900xtx for ATI/Radeon) i've also used BOTH the SLI configuration by Nvidia as well as the Crossfire setup by ATI, from my OWN tests, Nvidia's SLI comes out on top of ATI's Crossfire (ie. (2) 7900gtx vs (2) x1900xt(x)) for just a basic comparison...
i will be the first to admit that in SOME tests, a single ATI x1900xtx whoops the butt off a Nvidia 7900gtx; but the same is true in OTHER common game benchmarking tests with the exact opposite holding true where the nvidia prevails...
for others to LEARN and make an educated decision here when it comes to vid. cards, it's important to closely examine the FACTS from both companies, not some "fanboy" base because a person CHOOSES to "prefer" one over the other, i try to make honest suggestions because i HAVE USED BOTH, and in certain instances, one is better suited than the other...but it is an inaccurate statement to state ATI is better than Nvidia, or vice versa; that's why i don't make blanket statements based on which I personally prefer... :)
lastly, regarding your 4400+ x2 to 2.9ghz; good luck on that, i can almost guarantee you WILL NOT achieve a STABLE 2.9ghz on AIR, while possible w/ water or phase change, even if you get a better "binning" than i got with MY chip, i have close collegues that are VERY experienced overclockers that were unable to get a stable 2.9ghz with a 4400+ or an opteron 170/175, i am not doubting your OC'in prowess, just stating a FACT that the 4400+/opteron 170/175 have only so much "headroom" for OC'in...it does eventually hit a proverbial "wall" around 2.7ghz-2.8ghz ON AIR cooling , other methods of cooling you could very well accomplish the goal you set for yourself :) i currently have mine STABLE on AIR COOLING @2.7ghz, you just may go higher, but will it be stable at such speeds if you choose to go AIR cooling, i would be the first to congratulate you if you can get a STABLE (prime95) for 20+ hours @ 2.9ghz, i would be VERY impressed with your "skillz" :)
as to your new mobo selection, that ASUS in MY opinion is THE BEST board out there today when it comes to Crossfire setup (which is obviously what you will be choosing), you can see that because I PERSONALLY chose to go with "SLI", i got the ASUS A8N32-SLI because that's the route i chose to take have dual gpus :) good choice of mobob for Cross-fire! (the external dongle kinda sucks though, that's my only real gripe about Cross-fire compared to SLI where it's an internal bridge)
anyways, best of luck on your nice upcoming build, i am very much in the same boat as you as per your quote Quote:
I am a fan of the current performance leader. I don't like it but pretty soon AMD is going have to step down unless they can counter Conroe's technology with something similar very quickly.
exactly my sentiments, i always try to base my builds on the CURRENT performance leader, whether that be Intel or AMD, if Conroe is even 1/2 of what it is hyped up to be after some preliminary pre-public release benchmarks, i am definitely going to build one in the coming months...have a good one.
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It's just that I'm s little short with money, and the Dual-Core costs more or less twice the price.
So when it comes to the dual core, which is better - an Intel CPU or an AMD one?
And if I don't take the DC, Should I buy an Intel 3.0 Ghz / AMD Athlon 3500 venis 939 or something else?
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zoolu the AMD 3800x2 is going to be 170.00 next week with the price drop and thats a great core
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Hmm, no price drops on the 4400+... Fine then. I might wait until AMD comes out with it's new platform next year. But whenever the new Radeons come out they're mine no matter what. This is why I'm glad my parents made me save my money when I was younger.
I can't go and spend lightly though. And I make my parents hold my debit card for me. We run through a checklist i.e. did I find the best prices, did I research all other options etc. That way when I make my purchase I can be sure I won't regret it later. It prevents me from jumping the gun.
I'd hate to abandon AMD though. I want to see both platforms before I actually make my decision because AMD has always had some cool new innovation. Like when they were the first out with dual cores on one die.
The realism in games has jumped and just about reached its peak limit. Current hardware struggles with the fledgling software. When the games start taking place on a truly massive scale with insane effects on top of awesome graphics the new generation of hardware will reign. But I think we will hit about a four year plateau. FEAR, GRAW, Oblivion, and Prey are about as good as graphics are gonna get for a while. I really can't see them getting any better other than the adaptation of HDR as standard fair and better textures and particle effects. Dual core is perfect for this. Quad core is only really practical for fantastically advanced number crunching.
Yep the next generation of hardware will be good until at least 2011. So if you get the Conroe this year you will still have a quick computer then. Or maybe like the Athlon XP is now.
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kivory666,
AMD announced almost 2 months ago that the price cuts would be for "all" the dual core lineup, from 30 to 50%. I think it would be a huge mistake for AMD if they didn't live up to that promise!
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theonejrs has a good point there. I was also led to believe that ALL dualies would get a drop. In fact It wouldn't make sense to leave the toledoes up there with all the new tech coming out. They would never get sold with so much more better stuff in the price range.
I guess we'll have to find out, eh?
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AMD announced almost 2 months ago that the price cuts would be for "all" the dual core lineup, from 30 to 50%. I think it would be a huge mistake for AMD if they didn't live up to that promise!
i totally agree with you, that was what i was lead to believe as well, that it would be for "ALL" the dual cores~ :) as i had mentioned, the chart i posted up is VERY preliminary, i guess in a few days time we will ACTUALLY SEE once and for all if AMD lives up to their promise, i truly hope the price drops DO AFFECT ALL the dual cores as was suggested months ago~ :)
i appreciate AMD's technology currently and am very satisfied with what i have to work with now; i have no doubts that in 2007 AMD will be VERY competitive with Intel's Conroes, it's just a matter of time to see WHO will get my hard earned $$$ for a future build~
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Zoolu,
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So when it comes to the dual core, which is better - an Intel CPU or an AMD one? And if I don't take the DC, Should I buy an Intel 3.0 Ghz / AMD Athlon 3500 venis 939 or something else?
I would wait and see what happens in the next month or so! Intel has bumped up the scheduled launch of it's "Quad" core for last quarter, 06. Somethings got to give as Intel doesn't have the capacity to manufacture the quantity of chips that are going to be needed if Conroe is as good as advertised.
Look at the facts. The date for the release of Conroe, which had been announced "officialy" by Intel months ago, is July 23. Now Intel says that the Official "Corporate" release of Conroe is really not until the 27th of July! If Intel is supposed to be so ready for the 23rd, why quibble over 4 days! It's just Corporate Psychobabble! In addition, Intel has no choice but to try and salvage what they can of the server market as they can't allow AMD to bring out their "Quad Architecture" first! It's also the market where Intel is bleeding the most and it's a huge market that AMD owns 28% of. I think supply is going to be a very big issue for the Conroe. It may wind up being the best thing since sliced bread, but if you don't have it, you can't sell it. Intel has to hit the market with everything at the same time for both the server market as well as the consumers! They have already put their foot in their mouths by saying as recently as last week that "all" the Conroes will be available on the 27th, Nationwide! How many are each retailer going to be able to get? Unless Intel's got a secret invisible Microprocessor plant hidden some where, supply is going show whether they fall on their face or not!
I went through that once before with Intel with the 486 and the hundreds of thousands of CPUs Intel had to replace due to a math error, at no charge. That was the very start of AMD becoming a force in the Microprocessor market! It kind of turns you off when you had to send them the old one before they will replace it, or charge a new one to your credit card which they would credit your card back once they received your old one. It was a nightmare! It took forever to get the replacement and even longer to get the credit. AMD sold a lot of "586s" and carved a tiny niche in the processor market at the same time. Intel's been looking over it's shoulder ever since!
Me? I'm gonna wait and see!
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GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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