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20. July 2006 @ 14:12 |
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theonejrs. The Conroe looks like a real winner if they can pull it off. But the Pentium 4 looked like a winner too and lost out to it's own predecessor at first.
The performance gap isn't as huge as it looks but AMD still has a lot of ground to cover if it wants to remain competitive. I may be going for performance but I am still an AMD fanboy. I want to see AMD's answer before I make my choice on my next gen build. If it's as revolutionary as the Athlon XP was then I'm confident in AMD's abilities :)
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Estuansis,
I have one question! What's going to happen if Intel can't make enough chips? As it was just pointed out, AMD is not that far behind. I'll ask a second question! What happens if Intel can't deliver and AMD can?
I have an Intel D940 Presler because it was the best buy for me at the time. It's fast, over 20K MIPS. Sure the AMDs can blow me away, but not by a large percentage, and the fact remains, I still have a fast computer. A 15% improvement over my speeds is only about 23K MIPS, a 3K MIPS improvement. Question # three! Do you think people are going to wait around for the Conroe to be back in stock or go on a waiting list, or buy something reasonably competitive right now at a good price? That's where i see this all heading!
News on the 24th!!
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Imagine the score using a conroe e6600 and a pciex16. will blow that away!
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Hi Guys,
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Question # three! Do you think people are going to wait around for the Conroe to be back in stock or go on a waiting list, or buy something reasonably competitive right now at a good price?
I pesonally believe this is what Amd is hoping for.They are hoping Intel will not be able to feed the demand.Just think of those poor digusted souls who have been waiting so long for Conroe only to find they can't get one, an Amd duallie at half price might be just what the doctor ordered!
Just my nickles worth.
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20. July 2006 @ 20:41 |
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Intel already has over 2 mill instock.
Hope against hope.
Everone keeps talking about amd price cuts but intel is dropping its prices also. I can't beleive that there are no price cuts for the amd fx-62 (1,000.00). The economy conroe can almost out bench the fx-62!
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@baltekmi,
2 million! Wow,I had no idea.But how fast will they sell? I would bet they'll be gone in a heartbeat. This makes me wonder...If Amd has not announced a price cut on the Fx-62 as of yet,could this be they're secret weapon? Or perhaps they are waiting to drop the price if the expected sales of they're other offerings don't turn out as planned.
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"AS THE PROCESSOR TURNS"
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Well Neph,It really is like one of those daytime dramas,filled with secrets,suspense and adultery...ok,no adultery...not yet at least!
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20. July 2006 @ 21:34 |
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@baltekmi
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Imagine the score using a conroe e6600 and a pciex16. will blow that away!
i wouldn't be surprised if the scores are significantly/noticeably higher~ :) i'll be getting a E6700 btw, if i can get my hands on one that is, which will probably prove to be even higher than the score YOU had anticipated~ :) i'm actually NOT getting a mobo capable of SLI x16 dual for each of the video cards (unlike what i currently have for my AMD, but a single pcie @16x should more than suffice...decisions decisions...should i put my nvidia geforce 7900gtx in there or my ATI x1900xtx...hmm...? they're both 512mb GDDR3)
time will tell~ :) if i may ask, where are you getting your figures that Intel already has 2million instock/produced?
if that is accurate, i hope i can be one of those 2 million~
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baltekmi,
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The economy conroe can almost out bench the fx-62!
What good is that if the average guy can't find one to buy except maybe on Ebay at 3 times the retail price? Intel has already said a couple of weeks ago that they were gearing up for the server market first. People don't understand just how big that market is! And it is precisely there that AMD is hurting them the most! Conroes are not going to be plentyful because Intel has geared their production to servers, not consumers!
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Conroe is nothing like any previous Pentium 4 products. In fact, it's based on the mobile Core Duo design which is in itself based on Pentium M, which is based on Pentium 3 architecture. So Intel has actually done a bit of a U-turn.
Didn't realize Conroe is just an updated P3!!!LOL.
The next question, is how does Conroe compare to the Athlon 64 architecture? For this, I used the overclocked Athlon FX-62 at 2.92GHz to match (almost) the frequency of the X6800. In fact, the FX-62 gets an unfair advantage as being overclocked it has slightly faster memory frequency. It is doubly unfair, as an Athlon rated above 2.8GHz is not yet available.
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Luckily for AMD, the difference wasn't quite as big as the hype led us to believe. On average the X6800 is 18 per cent faster. Don't get me wrong ? this is still a fair chunk. An area where Intel had a clear lead was with Audio encoding where the X6800 was as much as 40 per cent speedier. Video encoding was also 25 per cent faster on the Conroe based chip ? that's 239 seconds difference. Considering that was only on a 15 minute clip, there are some significant savings in time to be made with larger files. Thinking even further a field, if you are in the business of render-farms, this could really make a difference to productivity.
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If AMD can even get into that ballpark(which is entirely possible by the end of this year) then It'll still have more than a fighting chance. I'm kinda excited to see the dualies drop. If you can take the toledoes to about 3GHz they can compete head-to-head with the Conroes.
Conroe really only has a audio/video compression/conversion advantage in bench marks. But so did the Pentium 4s. If history repeats itself then AMD will be better in gaming and intel better in video and audio work. But atleast they are resurrecting the far superior Pentium 3. It was a better chip by far.
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I agree.. i am 15 and i drove my dads 1999 chevy suburban about 2miles that day.. :) i did not hit anything either.. my ps is going though, i was doing the norm and the compy shut down. i tried turning it on and it got started did not get to even posting anything before it went of, so i umplugged 2 fans and it is working great. but i plugged 1 fan back in. and all is still going well.. thats what i get in a case ps.. i guess.
and i was looking at getting the 1900XT and the hyper 580W modular power supply. any interjections? the 1900 is a refurb btw.. i cant get retail.. i am going to have about 400 after we are all said and done with. so i am going to order the power supply first and then order the video when i can. and whats with Aero video? its a new slot altogether or somthing or is it just modifications to the vista series.. amd said somthing about the Aero architecture for video, hence why i am asking.
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Aero is actually Aeroglass. The cool new 3D look for Vista. Needs a X550/FX5500 or greater to run well and look good. I personally am going to stay with XP until they stop supporting it altogether like Windows 95. I love it and it's compatibility with just about everything.
On a side note, I have a version of RedHat running in a dual boot. Not sure WHICH version though. But it's newer and good for everyday use and gaming. Just not as widely compatible as XP.
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@FIHSNERD,
Go with the Hiper 580w.
One of the best PSU's available.
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I still think that the Enermax Liberty 500W would be another good deal but the Hiper 580W is also VERY excellent. Get it for sure
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the Antec-True Power 550watt would be my choice
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What good is that if the average guy can't find one to buy except maybe on Ebay at 3 times the retail price? Intel has already said a couple of weeks ago that they were gearing up for the server market first. People don't understand just how big that market is! And it is precisely there that AMD is hurting them the most! Conroes are not going to be plentyful because Intel has geared their production to servers, not consumers!
I admire you, and you have helped me a lot. But you should read some of sop's links. Yes, they have already invaded the server market But they are not limited to that. Intel has been stockpiling conroe for a month now. Intel is devoting a lot of its ads if not all into the conroe. IT IS REAL AND WILL PUSH AMD INTO SUBMISSION. Need I say more?
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I'll give Conroe a chance. If six months go by and AMD can't match them then I'm gonna get one.
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Intel is devoting a lot of its ads if not all into the conroe. IT IS REAL AND WILL PUSH AMD INTO SUBMISSION. Need I say more?
Hey my friend, I'm not meaning to start a war. I'm going by Intel's own press releases. They are the ones that announced that there would be a shortage of chips for the consumer market because Intel needed to concentrate on the server market first and then announced that they'd upped the schedule for the Quad-Core to 4th quarter 06 instead of first quarter 07. I deduced the rest of it myself. I've read all of the articles that Soph posts and lots of other things. It's amazing what you can find out by typing Intel, amd or nVidia into a search engine. The most interesting thing is reading the press releases, especially about press Confrences "given" by Intel, AMD or nVidia. That's where I get my information.
AMDs Quad whatever the heck they call it is also due out late 06. It seems plain to me that Intel wants desperatly to beat AMD to Quad-Core. Intel hasn't had a first in anything in years. I personally hope they succeed to a degree. I mean I don't want them to put AMD out of business. As Soph says, "That would be bad for all of us because that would be the end of low price CPUs"!
That's why I have two Intels! I got a real good deal on the P4 3.0/800. I bought it 03/06 with a MB combo deal for $139. I wound up getting $62 of that back because the MB was junk! $77! Great deal!! The D430 3.2/800 was courtesy of Intel needing some fast cash flow. They accomplished what they wanted by cutting the prices pretty good on most of their Dual-Cores and consiquently many D800 and D900 series were sold. If I had waited a couple of months I could have spent $50 less than the $375 I spent for the new MB and CPU. Thank you Intel!!!
Does it make me mad that the AMDs can beat mine. Not at all!! When you get up to the kind of speed mine runs it really doesn't matter that much. Someone can beat my encode times by what 7 to 10 minutes! It still beats the heck out of the 3.5+ hour encodes I used to have with a fast prescott. The whole deal back then would take up more than 4 hours, total! Now, I'm done with everything in under 2 hours. It meant a lot when the difference between encode times widened even more because of everyone getting Dual-Cores. It made me aware that now was the time to go Dual-Core. It's not the baddest kid on the block but it's still got some muscle. Since I haven't been doing to bad computer wise with the last 2 Intels, there might Be another Intel in my future too! Never can tell!!!
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Hi everybody, I'm back from my one week absence on holiday, with 110 emails, most of them from here!
Theonejrs: The laptop is an Hp NX6110 and it probably does support more RAM but not being mine, and me rarely needing to use it doesn't really qualify me to buy memory for it! The hard disk is a normal 40GB Toshiba 2.5" but the same applies. I guess that's the end of the X8 for AGP. Shame, it was a good two years! I'm not sure about the pipes on an AGP GTO. My Pro definitely only had 12 unlocked t.m.k.
It'll certainly be interesting,
conroe. I'm sorry about your ATi install experience, I can choose 1680x1050 and always could... ? However, I will agree Catalyst is way inferior to nVidia's software. I note that a version that ships with X1900 cards (hardly old) will not run any manifestation of need for speed (U1, U2, MW) until updated with the most recent version. You may have got quite lucky, but some X800GTO's even had an R480 in them! They must be ripe for massive Overclocks! $1400 for a conroe? Haha, so much for being cheap. Congrats on the 3dmark, I would but my system refuses to install 03. I just get half a second of eggtimer then the
installer closes.
Crowy: tut tut, naughty (about the weed)! I think it's a shame that AMD have started adding more sockets to their lineup, just when I thought things were starting to unify. :-(
3Ghz you want now? That's insane!
Fihsnerd: I'd also say lose NAV. Horrible program, or should I say, increasingly horrid.
Sorry I "abandoned" you all! GUess I forgot to tell you I was going away! Once again, apologies to people with unanswered questions! I'm back now, so anything needed, fire away!
You know the funniest thing about going away though? Well, we went to Cyprus, and you may have heard of the situation regarding Israel and Lebanon, and the people who were moved to Limassol by ship. One particular day (monday I believe) we were out looking for this water park, and accidentally drove past it, and where'd we end up? RAF Akrotiri, a mere few yards from where this all happened, only half a week later!!! spooky.
My last contribution for now? I second the Hiper 580W. Great unit, and it's good to be back!
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Sam,
See if you can find this utility. I got it from a link on the Hounds. If you can't find it, I'll send it to you as an attachment to your e-mail!
Here's a screen shot of the particulars!
You can see all 16 pipelines are active. The R430 chip is really an R480 in disguise as there is no such thing as a real R430 chip. Works good though. Plays everything, Quake, Halo, Delta Force Extreme at max everything with no problems. Not to shabby for a $132 card!
BTW Here's my new windows wallpeper. I think it's so cool!
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Ah right, but i seem to recall THG saying one X800GTO they were given had R480 printed on it! Yeah cool desktop I like it! I had AtiTool on my last system, then updated to a new version and it ceased to work. Overdrive fulfills the function that I used tool for before anyway, temperature. That's all I use at the moment, I'll overclock when I see fit to do so.
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Sam,
The way I understand it is the R430 is an R480 with the 8 modified to look like a 3. They are all made on the same assembly line and are tested and sorted before the printing goes on. They are all the same chip at the moment because ATi is using up the current stock of chips for all the AGP 8xs so all the 800s and 850s all get the same chip. It makes sense! That's why my card came with 16 pixel pipelines enabled. You may even get one that only has 12, but that's from the GPUs they put aside that pass for the lesser cards but fail for the X850 XT PCIe. These are saved until ATI builds the cheaper cards and then they are used and labeled R430. In truth, the R430 is a Phantom, as there is no such chip, at least not anymore!
Most people I've talked to got ones just like mine, with the full package working. You can't overclock it much but judging by my 3DMarks of 12,000+ I'm happy, as I don't have to!
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Ah right that sounds right. Nah I didn't have either, my old X800 Pro was an R420, the original one. Glad you're happy, and that's more 3dmarks than my Xp3000+ X800Pro got, i topped out at about 9000.
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