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25. July 2006 @ 12:34 |
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what is VAT? is it tax because in ontario, canada, the tax is 14 percent with the recent gst cut so you would have to add that. the big price difference i see is the 4800 for 445. for that price, i guess i might use that in my next build. but then again, there's always conroe.
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redice
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25. July 2006 @ 12:38 |
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@sammorris
ok thanks. another hard choice to make (3800 or 4200).i was not planing on upgradeing from the 3200 chip but now because of the amd price cuts. i believe that time has come.
also can OC hurt anything?
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25. July 2006 @ 12:41 |
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Value Added Tax. 17.5% on goods except for food. The 4800 hasn't dropped in the UK yet, so the 4600 is currently the best deal at £170. The 4200 over the 3800 if you're not going to OC much, the 3800 if you are going to give it some. the 3800 will actually end up faster than a 4200 overclocked due to a stepping update. However, the extra 200mhz will see a stock 4200 be faster. Bear in mind a 3800 is just two 3200s, so in one single core app pre-overclock, an x2 3800+ is the same speed as an A64 3200+. OC won't hurt unless you go mad with the voltage (and you shouldn't need to!) but OCing somehow voids a warranty....
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25. July 2006 @ 12:59 |
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@sammorris
so the onlyway i will see a difference is with the 4200?
also can OC hurt anything?
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25. July 2006 @ 13:13 |
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Not unless you become stupid...
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25. July 2006 @ 13:21 |
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25. July 2006 @ 13:47 |
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redice: I just told you no! OC can't hurt, read my whole post! You will see a difference with the 3800, but only in that you can do more at once. If you were to convert a video in a single core app, it'd take exactly the same time as a 3200 standard, but you could if you wanted, do two at once, or do that and play a game, for example. The 4200 makes things faster all round.
A 19" 4:3 is preferable for a lot of scenarios. I've no idea who Hanns-G are! 250 nits is so-so brightness, but 700:1 contrast is quite good, 8ms response isn't too bad either.
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25. July 2006 @ 13:55 |
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@sammorris
ok but let me ask you this will the 4200 convert a video faster than the 3800 will?
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25. July 2006 @ 14:09 |
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I wouldn't say OC'ing can't hurt. Alot of people have destroyed alot of hardware because they weren't careful about it.
redice,
The 4200 will indeed have an edge over the 3800 in most tasks, not just video editing.
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25. July 2006 @ 14:16 |
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ok thanks Nephilim
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25. July 2006 @ 14:24 |
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the 4200 has more mhz, and more mhz means more speed! (Well, it does in this case... those other cases are best forgotten, ahem Prescott) That's true nephilim but in general if you don't be silly you should expect few problems, I was trying to make it sound simple :D
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25. July 2006 @ 14:58 |
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I was wondering if this is a good CPU.....It's my cousins.......
Output of CPUID:
eax in eax ebx ecx edx
00000000 00000005 756e6547 6c65746e 49656e69
00000001 00000f43 00020800 0000649d bfebfbff
00000002 605b5001 00000000 00000000 007d7040
00000003 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000004 00004121 01c0003f 0000001f 00000000
00000005 00000040 00000040 00000000 00000000
80000000 80000008 00000000 00000000 00000000
80000001 00000000 00000000 00000000 20000000
80000002 20202020 20202020 20202020 6e492020
80000003 286c6574 50202952 69746e65 52286d75
80000004 20342029 20555043 30322e33 007a4847
80000005 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
80000006 00000000 00000000 08006040 00000000
80000007 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
80000008 00003024 00000000 00000000 00000000
Vendor ID: "GenuineIntel"; CPUID level 5
Intel-specific functions:
Version 00000f43:
Type 0 - Original OEM
Family 15 - Pentium 4
Extended family 0
Model 4 -
Stepping 3
Reserved 0
Extended brand string: " Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz"
CLFLUSH instruction cache line size: 8
Hyper threading siblings: 2
Feature flags bfebfbff:
FPU Floating Point Unit
VME Virtual 8086 Mode Enhancements
DE Debugging Extensions
PSE Page Size Extensions
TSC Time Stamp Counter
MSR Model Specific Registers
PAE Physical Address Extension
MCE Machine Check Exception
CX8 COMPXCHG8B Instruction
APIC On-chip Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller present and enabled
SEP Fast System Call
MTRR Memory Type Range Registers
PGE PTE Global Flag
MCA Machine Check Architecture
CMOV Conditional Move and Compare Instructions
FGPAT Page Attribute Table
PSE-36 36-bit Page Size Extension
CLFSH CFLUSH instruction
DS Debug store
ACPI Thermal Monitor and Clock Ctrl
MMX MMX instruction set
FXSR Fast FP/MMX Streaming SIMD Extensions save/restore
SSE Streaming SIMD Extensions instruction set
SSE2 SSE2 extensions
SS Self Snoop
HT Hyper Threading
TM Thermal monitor
31 reserved
TLB and cache info:
50: Instruction TLB: 4KB and 2MB or 4MB pages, 64 entries
5b: Data TLB: 4KB and 4MB pages, 64 entries
60: unknown TLB/cache descriptor
40: No 2nd-level cache, or if 2nd-level cache exists, no 3rd-level cache
70: Trace cache: 12K-micro-op, 4-way set assoc
7d: unknown TLB/cache descriptor
Processor serial: edited it out..because didn't know if I should
PS.This is the linux version of CPUID
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25. July 2006 @ 15:22 |
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It's still a quite decent processors in my opinion.
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25. July 2006 @ 15:39 |
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@redice,
In answer to your question "will o/c hurt anything".
Firstly the cpu is probably the last thing you need to worry about as far as problems go.Try to go to fast and you wont post.To much voltage = overheat then shutdown as long as you have thermal monitoring enabled in the bios to shut down @ say 60degrees celcius.Slow things down drop the voltage and your right to go.(Though you may need to clear cmos and start again).The memory will fail through to much voltage being applied so don't go crazy trying to get DDR600 speeds from DDR400 memory by giving it 4 volts!! You will find good quality memory will sit .2 to .4 volts above specs without any trouble as long as you have adequate cooling/airflow in your case.My value select corsair sits at 2.9v without a hiccup)although I did try it it @3.2v(NOT RECOMMENDED THOUGH) for extra speed but didn't gain anything except heat.The one component which is so often overlooked is the psu.
This is where saving a dollar can hurt you.If you try to give everything a few extra volts(which you will when o/c) and your psu isn't up to scratch,components will fail within the psu before it overheats and shuts down.
As far as 3200 or 4200 go,As your planning to o/c, the 3800 will be the way to go.If you were going to run stock,then the 4200.
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25. July 2006 @ 15:55 |
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crowy,
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If you were going to run stock,then the 4200.
Now where have I heard that before? You pimping my posts??? He! He!
Happy and Giggly Computering,
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25. July 2006 @ 16:04 |
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ok thanks crowy
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25. July 2006 @ 16:12 |
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@theonejrs,
LOL!! Sorry, but I actually hadn't read that!!
The Tuniq 120 still isn't in stock by the way and I,m starting to get very impatient!!
Decided on this memory: TEAM Xtreem PC4000 Hermes TCCD 1GB Kit (2x512Mb 1024Mb) DDR500 CL2.5-3-3-6 for $199 Aus.It's got the Samsung TCCD chips so will run at higher speeds without needing excessive volts so no need to load up the psu.
Was going to go for:
TEAM Xtreem PC4000 Zeus 2-2-2-5 Winbond BH-5 UTT 1GB Kit (2x512Mb) DDR500, 1024Mb, TXDR1024M500HC2DC for $219 for the tighter timings but don't want to have to give them the excess voltage to get the same speed as the TCCD chips when o/clocked.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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25. July 2006 @ 16:43 |
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theonejrs,
just read the second last page and realized I had read what you posted before though didnt realize until now I was restating what you said!!
Oh well, great minds think alike!
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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25. July 2006 @ 21:01 |
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The amd athalon 3300 is 19.99 at tiger.
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
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25. July 2006 @ 21:44 |
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crowy,
Just remember, "A Mind is a Terrible Thing!" LOL
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25. July 2006 @ 22:40 |
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theonejrs,
LOL!!
Well just got totally p****d off with waiting for the tuniq to be available so sent an email to Nintek here in Perth on availability of a Thermaltake big typhoon/TEAM Xtreem PC4000 Hermes TCCD 1GB Kit (2x512Mb 1024Mb) DDR500 CL2.5-3-3-6 and arctic silver5.
Just got this reply from them:
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Due to an insane amount of sales enquiries received over the weekend, please be
aware that there may be an extended delay replying to your email, we will
endeavour to reply ASAP and we appreciate your patience.
Thank you for contacting Nintek Sales.
Your request has been allocated Ticket Number 34127 and placed in
our queue.
There is no need to respond to this message right now.
Thank you,
The Nintek Team :)
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endeavour to reply ASAP and we appreciate your patience.
PATIENCE, WTF!!! I have no patience left!!!!!
Tonights going to be a very heavy night.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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26. July 2006 @ 00:58 |
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crowy.
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Well just got totally p****d off with waiting for the tuniq to be available so sent an email to Nintek here in Perth on availability of a Thermaltake big typhoon.
I just wound up with an Arctic Freezer Pro 7, completely by accident. It was supposed to be for a socket 478, but because of a misprint, it was for socket 775. Rather than ship it back, I pulled the Zalman 9500 off of my D940 and put it on the Prescott.
Here's my Idle temp in a 23C room!
Here's fully loaded!
These temps just amaze me. That's 6 to 8C lower than the Zalman 9500!
Want to be even more amazed? Check the temps at idle in a 33C/83F room!
Sophocles said that my Thermal sensor has gone bad but my buddy brought over an Optris laser reading thermal probe. It has 3 lazer beams which adjust from inches to about 15 ft. Just adjust till there's only one spot and take it's temperature. You can do this right through the side window on my case! According to the Optris, there's about 1C difference between it and the AsusProbe!
Needless to say, I'm pretty impressed with the Freezer Pro 7 !
Happy Computering,
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26. July 2006 @ 01:54 |
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tocool4u: Lol there was no need to send us all that! It's still alright, but single cores are starting to look a little on the old-fashioned side.
Crowy: Right on. But for someone new to OCing, I think he may be best off just not upping the voltages at all to start with. If you are to OC though, even I'd say 3800, despite buying a 4200. Still no Tuniq? All I'd say is um, buy a Zalman? :D :D
Team Xtreem? Now I've heard it all.
Baltekmi: Last time I checked there was no Athlon 3300, possibly a sempron, but $19.99? Pff, yeah right! There's one A in Athlon btw, and AMD is in capitals, since it's a TLA (Three letter acronym).
Theone: Yeah the AC Freezers are amazing, and I still would have got one had they been in stock for my X2, but they weren't so Zalman it was.
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26. July 2006 @ 02:10 |
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26. July 2006 @ 02:12 |
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Oh I don't doubt their quality and performance, especially with Samsung chips in them, but the name is just corny beyond belief!
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