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8. August 2006 @ 05:09 |
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sammorris,
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Shame AM3 will be so much later than first imagined though, from Q1 2007 to Q2 2008 is a big pushback.
I think a lot of that is just rumors as AMD knows nothing about any pushback time-wise and still has first quarter 07 as the plan for AM3, at least as of today! If you think about it for a minute you are talking over a year delay and that makes no sense. At least not for a company with the resources of AMD. Plus that if the delay was going to be that big, AMD would have let us know!
crowy,
AMD does not give release dates, only the generality of year quarters. They did it once to my knowlege and missed it. It was either the K6 or the original Athlon, I just don't remember! not by a lot, but I think because of the negative publicity they got at the time they swore never to do it again! They've not done it since that I'm aware of. They have been much more forthright and honest with the consumer than Intel ever was!
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theone
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8. August 2006 @ 05:12 |
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Indeed there is a lot (I can't figure out what word you've posted there because of the asterisks, it has one more character than I was expecting!)
I agree with your point Russ, so why does everywhere I look say Q1 2008? But yeah it is Q1, not "March 24th" or something. That is trademark AMD, and I have rarely seen AMD supply problems!
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8. August 2006 @ 05:55 |
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How can i tell if i have a P4 Northwood or what type of amd it is in my jobs comp?
*sammorris*
"What are the machines? If the 2.3 is a P4 Northwood then use that, but if the Intel machine's a celeron you may be better with the AMD, depending what that is. If it's a Sempron then the celeron may be mildly better, but if it's an Athlon XP then it'll be better.
From best to worst:
P4 Northwood 2300mhz
Athlon XP 2400+
Celeron 2300mhz
Sempron 2400+"
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8. August 2006 @ 06:02 |
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Here is the specs from my comp when it came stock;
CPU: Intel® Celeron® Processor 2.30GHz (w/128KB L2 cache & 400MHz FSB)
Operating System: Genuine Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
Chipset: Intel® 845GL chipset
Memory: 512MB DDR (PC2100)
Hard Drive: 80GB HDD
Optical Drive: 48 × 24x48x Max. CD-RW Drive; 16x Max. DVD Drive; 3.5" 1.44MB FDD
Video: Intel® Extreme Graphics 3D (integrated)
Sound: AC '97 Audio
Network: 10/100Mbps built-in Ethernet
Modem: 56K ITU v.92-ready Fax/Modem
Peripherals: Premium Multimedia Keyboard, 2-Button Wheel Mouse, Stereo Speakers
Ports/Other: 6 USB 2.0 ports (2 on front), 1 Serial, 1 Parallel, 2 PS/2, Microphone-In & Head Phone jack on front, Audio-In & Out, 3 PCI slots (2 available)
Dimensions: 7.25"W x 14.125"H x 16"D
And my job's comp;
CPU: AMD Athlon? XP 2200+ Processor with QuantiSpeed? architecture
Operating System: Genuine Microsoft® Windows® XP Home
Chipset: VIA KM 266
Memory: 128MB DDR PC 2100 (DDR for optimal performance)
Hard Drive: 40GB HDD
Optical Drive: 48x Max. CD-RW Drive, 3.5" 1.44MB FDD
Video: S3 ProSavage8? integrated (1 AGP slot available)
Sound: AC '97 Audio
Network: 10/100Mbps built-in Ethernet
Modem: 56K ITU v.92-ready Fax/Modem
Peripherals: Multimedia Keyboard, 2-Button Wheel Mouse, Amplified Stereo Speakers
Ports/Other: 6 USB 2.0 ports (2 on front), 1 Serial, 1 Parallel, 2 PS/2, Microphone-In & Head Phone jack on front, Audio-In & Out, 3 PCI slots (2 available)
Dimensions: 7.25"W x 14.125"H x 16"D
Internet Access: AOL 3 month membership included
Software: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition, Microsoft® Works 6.0, Microsoft® Money 2002, Encarta® Online, Adobe® Acrobat® Reader?, Microsoft® Media Player, Real Player, Internet Explorer, Netscape® Navigator, MSN®®, CompuServe®®, AOL® (with 3 months membership included**), Norton AntiVirus 2003 (90-day complimentary subscription)
Sorry, correction on my part, my job's is a amd 2200 not 2400
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8. August 2006 @ 07:05 |
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Well despite its current lower specs, the XP is the better processor, even at 2200 not 2400. Get some decent RAM in there and it'll be quite good, you just need to be concerned about that small hard disk.
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8. August 2006 @ 07:16 |
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sammorris,
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I can't figure out what word you've posted there because of the asterisks
I hope you don't mean me as I only have 1, and that's behind me! LOL
Happy Computering,
theone
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8. August 2006 @ 07:18 |
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No, fortunately for you, on this occasion I didn't mean you Russ! It was directed to crowy about his comment on a russian benchmark library.
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8. August 2006 @ 10:43 |
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sammorris,
Actually, I was joking as in ass-to-risk! LOL That's why I said it was behind me!!!! BTW thanks for my first post in Power Supplies.
Happy Computering,
theone
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8. August 2006 @ 10:46 |
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You're most welcome, I've just made a brief lecture in the PC building thread here at aD on why not to buy a cheap one! Have to see what discussion we can start.
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8. August 2006 @ 11:52 |
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In addition to my 80 gig HD, i have a hitachi 160 gig, the extra 512 mb memory to make it the 1 gig, an ATI tv tuner card, An HP DVD740i dvd burner (unfortunatly its crapping out on me even though its only 8 months old [in the process of fixing that with HP]), And a Linksys wireless inernet card (on loan until i get my own). that about covers it.
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8. August 2006 @ 11:59 |
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OH yeah, lol how could i forget (im staring right at it!) my 21" gateway2000 Vivitron21 CRT monitor.
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8. August 2006 @ 12:01 |
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If I were you I'd replace the other stick of RAM, a) you're not guaranteed to get compatibility and b) you're running at PC2100, not 2700 speeds, what you could do is get PC3200 (the cheapest option now) and then OC the CPU 25% to reach the speed of the memory!
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8. August 2006 @ 13:48 |
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what in the cpu requires overclocking for it to be capable of keeping the ram at its full speed? the front side bus? forgive me if this is a stupid question but, i have no idea!
If I insult you...don't get offended...my insults are "friendly insults"...I know this sounds stupid (ridiculous) but I am fet up of writing, "no offense" in my posts...
My Comp: (will add specs later)
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8. August 2006 @ 14:13 |
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That's right. Athlon XPs have a front side bus of 333mhz, so an OC of 25% brings it up too 400mhz, the speed of the RAM.
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8. August 2006 @ 14:34 |
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Wow. The big typhoon is indeed huge! I've never seen a CPU cooler that massive. The best I've got is a noisy 120mm fan at high rpm pointing at my CPU. It has a big passive heatsink with that fan and cools quite well.
But, wow. That thing is gigantic!
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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8. August 2006 @ 15:33 |
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have you heard the saying.bigger is better :)
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8. August 2006 @ 17:27 |
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@sam,sorry, one to many asterisks:(
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what you could do is get PC3200 (the cheapest option now) and then OC the CPU 25% to reach the speed of the memory!
Thats if the board supports raising the FSB.Otherwise pc3200 will do nothing more than pc2700.
I ran ORTHOS last night.It's basically a lazy mans version of prime 95.Here's the direct download link: http://sp2004.fre3.com/beta/orthos_exe_060420.cab
Automatically detects dual core processors and starts dual prime 95 stress test accordingly.
Heres the results.I dropped the voltage to 1.5v ran it @2817mhz for 1 hour to start,no errors.Bumped it up to 2835,(9x315 in the bios).
Back at idle after 20mins:
Here is a real time cpu temp monitoring program:
Here's the download link:
http://www.benchmarkhq.ru/files/CoreTemp.zip
Try sandra cpu bios information and get your temp reading then try this one and check the difference.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 8. August 2006 @ 17:32
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8. August 2006 @ 17:44 |
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Estuansis,
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Wow. The big typhoon is indeed huge! I've never seen a CPU cooler that massive.
A lot of that massive look is exagerated by the angle of the picture. In some of the other shots it doesn't look quite so large. It's not really that much bigger than my Zalman 9500LED, but it sure is heavier!
Happy Computering,
theone
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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8. August 2006 @ 17:51 |
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My comp doesnt let me overclock unless there is another place to do it other than in the setup bios mode. And i have 2 2700 memory sticks but they auto underclock to the 2100.
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8. August 2006 @ 19:07 |
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A while ago, many in this thread helped me pick the pieces for my build and I've been happy for the most part. I will just post my screen of my attempts to get extra juice out of it. Please pick me apart and let me know what I need to get this stable.
I run better with the small changes I made but looking at my scores compared to some makes me wonder what I'm missing.
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8. August 2006 @ 21:07 |
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Deadrum33,
What memory are you using and what configuration(IE:2x512mb, 2x1gb, 4x512 etc)and at what timings?What are your voltages(cpu,memory,chipset)What mainboard do you have?What power supply are you running?Any aftermarket cooling?
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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8. August 2006 @ 23:41 |
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That's what I thought about the asterisks, crowy! A good stable run at 2.8Ghz+ is nice to know, so 40% is definitely achievable. I'll look into that CoreTemp Program, looks good!
Deadrum, 2.5Ghz is a good start, but a 175 is capable of more. As asked, what's your setup like?
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9. August 2006 @ 01:21 |
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Sorry if it seams like I'm just not getting it, But which is better Intel® 845GL or AMD 2200+ with my 1024mb of memory and a combined total of 240gig hd space? Also is there anyway to overclock my processor eventhough my setup bios doesnt let me?
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9. August 2006 @ 01:49 |
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Doesn't let you what? It doesn't let you change the bus speed at all? If your BIOS totally locks you out, I believe there are software applications that can do that job out there, but I haven't had any experience of using them.
I can't compare a chipset to a processor, they're not the same thing! If you mean comparing the celeron to the xp, the XP is better by a little bit (though not much). The 845GL is the chipset on the motherboard of the PC with the celeron. The XP 2200+'s chipset would be like a KT600 or something.
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9. August 2006 @ 02:04 |
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CODO69,
See if you can download the motherboard manual for your amd setup.
There may be jumper configurations that let you raise the fsb.
Softfsb is a software program that may be able to help you also.It allows you to change settings from within windows.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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