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27. October 2006 @ 17:07 |
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redice,
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redice
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27. October 2006 @ 19:41 |
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ok thanks, if want to oc what do ocing need to do or need to have?
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27. October 2006 @ 22:17 |
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the one is a good person to get solid info on oc'ing.
First start off with a core 2 duo conroe....
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28. October 2006 @ 10:31 |
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PM crowy if you wanna OC. He's a genius with that :)
Guys, would I be able to get a stable 2.6GHz OC on a X2 3800+ with the AM2 TForce 6100? Anyone got any stories?
And my X1800XT won't have problems with it I hope. I'm gonna OC it soon when I decide to get a good cooler.
I like the look of the Zalmanish cooler on the Gigabyte GeForce 7900GS though.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125045
I might become an nVidia user. This looks like a monster. Similar performance with my X1800XT... better overclocks with that monster cooler :)
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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28. October 2006 @ 14:16 |
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NO.. save ur money.. u need to watch ur spending right?
that performance gain is not worth the time or effort..
seriously..
Peace,
Ryan
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28. October 2006 @ 14:46 |
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He's being sarcastic becaue he's an intel fanboy n00b. The X2 is great for OCing. As before, PM crowy, he knows the score. As for you Estuansis, it should all work fine.
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28. October 2006 @ 17:24 |
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Alright... I'm gonna look into backing up some of my movies and crap and maybe make the switch over in a few weeks.
And I'm aware that there won't be any noticeable difference in my performance Ryan91. I happen to be a big time enthusiast and the time and effort is ALWAYS worth the money.
And on the elcheapo motherboard... I just don't believe in spending gobs of money on a motherboard if I can get the same results for much less. That's why I've stuck with ASUS' mid-end budget mobos so far. They're awesome :P
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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redice
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28. October 2006 @ 18:58 |
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@sammorris
is your chip still oc to 2.42ghz?
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28. October 2006 @ 19:20 |
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Nah, Coincidentally at the time I OCed, I got a software instability, and therefore wouldn't be able to tell what was causing crashes. I think i've since solved that, but I haven't put my system back up yet. I don't really see much gain to be had from OCing yet.
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redice
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28. October 2006 @ 19:28 |
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@sammorris
o ok i see. when you had the chip oced did the computer run much faster?
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28. October 2006 @ 19:55 |
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Not really, but then it was only 10%, I should imagine a 50% OC on a Conroe would be quite effectual.
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28. October 2006 @ 20:17 |
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o ok thanks sammorris
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28. October 2006 @ 22:00 |
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I need some advice. I bought a Gateway a few hours ago, because, Gateway gave me a better deal, as opposed to Dell, and I didn't want to waste time with building my own. My question is, would you all agree that the following specs are respectable for an 1900.00 computer (including tax and shipping)?
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Would it have been better if I went with an AMD instead of a Pentium for this computer? Can I overclock the CPU in a Gateway, or is it locked like a Dell? I think I might have saved a few hundred dollars if I went ahead and did it myself, but I just don't have the time since I am in a Masters Program in College. Any valid advice would be great.
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Thor
Item Unit Price
Gateway FX510X $1,804.99
Operating System:
```````MS Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 (Update Rollup 2)
Operating System Backup Media:
MS Windows XP Media Center Backup Media
Application Software:
MS Works 8.5
Security Software:
None
Processor:
Intel® Core"2 Duo E6600 (2.40GHz,1066MHz FSB, 4MB cache, non-HT) $171.20
Memory:
2048MB 667MHz PC5300 Dual-Channel DDR2 SDRAM (2-1024MB modules)
Motherboard:
Intel® 975X Chipset with DDR2 and Intel® Core Duo support
Hard Drive:
500GB 7200rpm Serial ATA II/300 HD w/ 8MB cache (2-250GB hard drives) $68.48
Media Card Reader:
9-in-1 Memory Card Reader
Optical Drive:
48x/32x/48x CD-RW Drive
Optical Drive:
16x Double-Layer Multi-Format DVD Writer (DVD±R/±RW/CD-R/RW)
Backup Media: Cyberlink CDRW and PowerDVD Solution (6-Channel)
Chassis:
Gateway 7-Bay Tower Case
Monitor:
Gateway 21" Widescreen HD Performance LCD Display
Video:
NVIDIA® GeForce 7600GS 256MB Dual DVI - Dual Link w/ HDCP & TV-Out
Keyboard:
Gateway® Elite Multimedia Keyboard
Mouse:
Soft-touch USB Optical Wheel Mouse
Sound:
Sound Blaster® Audigy® 4 Sound Card
Speakers:
Logitech X-230 2.1 32 watt Speakers
Modem:
56K PCI data/fax modem
Additional Software:
Intel® Viiv® Technology
Channel:
Direct
Chipset:
Intel® 975X Chipset with DDR2 Support
Expansion Slots:
(3) PCI Expansion Slots (Filled),
(1) PCI-E x1
Expansion Slot
(available). (1) PCI-E x16 Expansion Slot (available)
External Ports:
(6) USB 2.0 (2 in front and 4 in back),
(3) IEEE 1394
Firewire
(2 in front and 1 in back),
(1) Serial,
(1) Parallel,
(2) PS/2,
(1) RJ-45 Integrated LAN,
(1) VGA, (1) Microphone, front audio ports
Certification:
Energy Star Compliant
Network:
Integrated Intel® 10/100/1000 (Gigabit) Ethernet
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28. October 2006 @ 22:28 |
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looks like you did ok , you could probably have built that for for a little less yes.
i wouldn't bother OC(ing) it you should be fine at stock (OCing box systems isn't a good idea anyway)
what power supply does it have? and what are the brand names of the optical drives?
for a virse scan go with either "Trend Micro" "NOD32" or "Kaspersky"
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28. October 2006 @ 22:45 |
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You didn't think to ask us before you bought it?
It's not too bad a system, but as with all prebuilds, has a slow graphics card, that'll struggle with higher end games. There are far worse cards out there, but bear in mind the 7600GT, 7900GS, 7900GT, 7950GT, 7900GTX and 7950GX2 are all above that card in the range...
Overclocking is probably not worth it with a stock system, the components won't be up to it even if it's allowed.
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28. October 2006 @ 22:57 |
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p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
LG 20.1 FLATRON WIDESCREEN/BFG 6800 ultra@450 mgz/2 wd raptor 150 raid/Ultra 500 watt Direct connet ps
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28. October 2006 @ 23:25 |
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Not really, but then it was only 10%, I should imagine a 50% OC on a Conroe would be quite effectual.
Actually a stock conroe e6300-e6400 will at least match the x64. that's the 2mb cash.oc these and amd has a hard time with 80% of benches. Then you go to the stock e-6600 intel core 2 duo.. amd has nothing to touch it + 4mb cash. Then you go into oc'ing this chip with a PREMIUM mobo.. not MID RANGE, and you can unlock the multiplyer, which gives you more varaince in oc'ing options.
Now while the build for this is not cheap.. it give you unmatched perfomance. period! Now as far as oc'ing 50%. If that could happen who would want that. chip life would most certainly be reduced even with the absolute best cooling. and at 20% to 30%oc'ing nothing can touch this on air.
Now while it is said I am an Intel fanboy, I will say that the best value and performance for your buck(until you cross over to the conroe) are the p-d's and better are the AMD x64's. Period!!! lol
With the right combination of mobo memory and chip you are well on your way.
One note: while some are getting good results with cheaper boards, think long term... Get the best MOBO and MEMORY for your chip. This will get you the better results in the short and long term.
As far as vid cards this months monsters are next months baby's.
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29. October 2006 @ 01:32 |
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The 7600GT is a bit better, but now he's already bought it it's a pointless upgrade. I'd just settle for the 7600GS (assuming you've already ordered it), it's not terrible, just not fast, and then when you can, get a card that's significantly better, like a 7900 or X1900 series.
Lol Baltekmi, Fanboy is as fanboy does. From a value standpoint, in the medium to low price sector, Intel and AMD are about even. The E6300 and 4200+ are similarly priced and powered, and as you said, what's the point of extreme overclocking? Only when you get to the 6600 does Intel have no competition, and that's a bit expensive when you factor in a decent 775 board and some high quality DDR2. A 939 build is still IMO the best for your buck at the present time, because such bargains as the A8N-SLI SE can be had.
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29. October 2006 @ 07:01 |
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A 939 build is still IMO the best for your buck at the present time, because such bargains as the A8N-SLI SE can be had.
sammorris
exactly what I said... you get what you pay for. by the way the I was talking about the e-6300 not oc'ed. When oc'ed there is no amd that can touch it. There are 3 boards that can acomplish this.
For budget concerns the Gigabyte Ga-965P-DS3 which is the board that Donald used to overclock his E6300 with but if you're into gaming then one of the next two boards should do well. The premium boards of choice is the Asus P5W DH Deluxe and the Abit AWD9 Max. But if you're into using only single graphics card then the Gigabyte board is $100 less than the other 2 and it will over clock higher. For memory you can use any several makes but here is where you might need to spend some money to get to the high speeds. I tend to recommend 2 gigs but you can use the same specs for 1 gig setups. Memory makes that are doing well include G-Skill and Corsair DDR2 800 PC 6400C4. The timings to look for are 4-4-4-12 because that gets you modules with the micron chips that have been so successful overclocking Conroe. The vary price often because of the heat spreaders used to cool them but if you get them at those speeds and timings they are made with the same chips regardless of the manufacturers name on them.
hope this helps you.lol
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29. October 2006 @ 07:53 |
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Strange post for someone who said there wasn't much point in overclocking!
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29. October 2006 @ 08:31 |
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i would upgrade the videocard to a 7800-GTX or 7900-GTX or GT
also make sure you have a good power supply (at least 480watt) i would go with a 550watt if it were me.
and i am pretty sure gateway uses NEC optical drives which are pretty good
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29. October 2006 @ 11:47 |
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Strange post for someone who said there wasn't much point in overclocking!
I must be getting old because there is nowhere I said that. And to ALL the amd fanboys on here I also said AMD and intel were better buys for a good high speed computers without spending the money to go core 2 dou. You need to get all your facts straight and be a lil less defensive. I think I have been straight forward and fair. It's not my fault that after so many years of being 2nd dog that Intel now has a better product. Yes it is expencive to do a new build with core 2 duo. But compare apples to apples. An amd2 build is right up there without near the performance. It is good for all of us when they compete closly. I am sure it is a heartbreak for those who in the last 6 months spent all that money(intel too) for prosessors just to see the bottom drop out! I don't even know why I bothered to post here again. It is the same childish, misinformation and non informed wnat to be's. To that I say good day to you sir!lol
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29. October 2006 @ 12:20 |
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And good day to you, because as I keep repeating, a 4200+ AMD gives the same sort of performance in a majority of applications as the E6300, and they're about the same price. it's done on purpose, baltekmi.
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29. October 2006 @ 13:09 |
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If you are building anew system, then going down the AMD route is not a wise move.
Cost wise there is no benefit in choosing AMD systems over Intel.
If you are looking at top performance board then they cost pretty much the same for the Intel and AMD support.
When you start paying £120+ for a board then an extra £20-40 or so is not much difference, especially in the whole system cost.
Considering they both use DDR2 memory, and all other parts except the CPU can be used on either board, then it does just come down to the board and the CPU.
An E6600 2.4 GHz Intel core 2 will cost £205, an AMD 4600+ 2.4 will cost slightly less.
As far as performance goes, there is no comparison; the Intel?s now wipe the floor in every way with the AMDs.
Having used a 939 FX60 before using an E6600, I can see a major difference in all performance indicators.
Someone mentioned that overclocking a CPU by 50% is not a wise thing to do due to life shortening.
Firstly having the option to do it is at least an advantage, and providing heat is kept down, then lifespan is unlikely to be shortened in any measurable term.
Considering the useful life of any high end CPU is only going to be 2 years before it is worthless anyway, then it will easily last that long.
The basic facts at this time in PC production, is that the AMD chips are good, but the Intel chips are better (much better) in performance, heat output and power consumption.
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