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sam,
I still think you will be pleasently suprised if you relink your fsb:drm ratio, keep it at 1:1 as you raise the fsb, set the timings at 4-4-4-12, and up the vcore to around 1.38 but I won't make any more suggestions and butt out. good luck.
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My only query is "is 1.56V safe for the northbridge"
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sam,
I never had to up my nb voltage on my mobo. it's still set on auto. then again my OC is not as much as yours. 2.4ghz to 3.4ghz verses 1.8ghz to 3.0ghz or higher.
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P5N-E SLI BIOS Release version 0505
That bios revision was a nightmare and has been pulled from the list of available bioses by Asus. If someone has downloaded it before Asus killed it, don't use it as it has a whole bunch of problems! Doing so may cause you to have to replace the bios chip or even the MB. I'll see if I can find the link for it as I only read about it a couple of days ago. Problem is I don't remember where. It was a link I got from Gina so I'll ask ger to either post it or give me the link and I'll post it.
Not Joking,
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28. March 2007 @ 15:38 |
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where to start hhmm?
yea russ sent me a pm the other day and it was addressed to mort, i think that post above was aimed to me and i think he may have us mixxed up.
bios 0505....i posted about it the other day, it seems that from what i have read on the asus forums its not worth flashing to it. it updates so it will recognise the new 4mb conroes and fixxes some vista issues but nothing else. add to this it dissables the ability to drop the cpu multi, so i aint going to using that one. 0404 is on mine and it seems great to me but some people are still having some major issues with ram (thats why i got corsair).
the board does have some quirks tho i do have to say that, my biggest issue has been with the bios save feature. find a setting that works, so you think great save that so i can try somthing else, continue testing other settings but when you reload the save file that worked fine befere and it laughs at you and fails to post. change any setting one way or the other and it will work. so i dont use that feature now.
sometimes it will fail to post, well i get the single bleep like its posted but thats it os doesnt load. hold the power down for 4 seconds(thats another feature i have enabled in the bios, forgot about that one) to turn it off and next time it boots up with out missing a beat. it doesnt seem to like running t1 at or above 400 (ddr800) on the ram but below it has no trouble. last one isn't realy relivent but anyhoo, i have 2 temp sensor on this board that i have no idea in the world what they are. speed fan reports my temps as temps 1,2 and 3 with cores 0 and 1 my hard drives and another temp 1. now from using other temp software i have found the first 1 is the cpu 2 is the mobo 3 is a unknown that is always reporting 40c and the second temp 1 is another unknown that is always reporting 25c(everest mixes up my cpu and my unknown temp 1 and says that the cpu is an aux temp?
fsb black holes, i had a few of them too, some aroun 15 to 25 others more than 50. mainly in the high 1200s and most of the 1400s.
nb volts. i cant tell you as i aint touched it tbh, before i changed anything i found out what it was on at auto. i couldnt find out what my nd was running and so i left it as it was and its not failed me so far(i thnk). i think if you watch your temps you will be able to judge when you give it too much but im guessing that if you are at 1333 it will most likly be on one of the top 2 volt settings in the bios. what does yours idle at? mine is now about 36c if i remove the fan but i reseated the hs on it. i have to say im glad i did, it was a mess underneath. i also stuck some 4mm rubber feet on the corners where the pushpins are not to give it a bit of support as just the push pins are a bit wobbly.
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russ from what i have seen its been pulled twice and put back up again. what this means i have no idea, hopfully its been tweaked and fixxed, but untill i read that its an improvement over 04 im not changing.
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[quote]P5N-E SLI BIOS Release version 0505
That bios revision was a nightmare and has been pulled from the list of available bioses by Asus. If someone has downloaded it before Asus killed it, don't use it as it has a whole bunch of problems! Doing so may cause you to have to replace the bios chip or even the MB. I'll see if I can find the link for it as I only read about it a couple of days ago. Problem is I don't remember where. It was a link I got from Gina so I'll ask ger to either post it or give me the link and I'll post it.
Not Joking,
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Version 0505
2007/03/16 update
Description: P5N-E SLI BIOS
Release version: 0505
1. Add C1E function support for Conroe-L A-1 stepping CPU .
2. Support new CPU, please refer to our website at: http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusu...del=P5N-E%20SLI
3. Support FSB 1333 CPU .
4. Fix CPR might fail when overclock too much.
http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
Asus warns of CPR failure when OCing too far with the older BIOS. What is too far is the question. Now that it's fixed in 0505 how far can one go? ;) This is along the lines of what marsey99 was complaining about with losing preferred settings. For some systems the update may add little or nothing, but for those with the CPUs in question, it might be handy.
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28. March 2007 @ 20:32 |
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I recently found a 9800Pro for $300. Good card but not *that* good lol.
I thought the 9800 werent very good cards arent they a bit faster then the 9600 and the 9600 were good cards a while back but they are still alright at games that ive seen but 300 for a 9800 isnt that a bit too much? LOL!
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Where to start with a reply? lol
on the BIOS revs, I haven't seen a single one that hasn't caused any issues yet, so I'll hold fire on that, especially if
you've got an updated one and you still get similar problems.
Heh, you're lucky to get a beep, All I have to go on is that the POST screen doesn't appear because most modern PC cases it
seems don't come with PC speakers any more. What gives with that?
As for speedfan, I get the random temp1 that always shows 40C as well, it's presumably a bug with our mobo, it comes up as
"Aux" in Everest as well.
My NB gets pretty hot, 40-45C load, but the so does the heatsink, so it must be doing its job. I'm contemplating refitting that with some Arctic silver though, especially since the voltage is higher. If I set NB voltage to Auto, I could only get 2.25Ghz, when I set the voltage at 1.56V, I was allowed up to 2.62Ghz, and when I tried the same again, 3.00Ghz, even though it's not completely stable.
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29. March 2007 @ 01:40 |
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marsey99,
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bios 0505....i posted about it the other day,
Sorry I missed your previous post on this one....
I'll have to read a bit closer next time!!!
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29. March 2007 @ 01:47 |
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sam,
40-45 degrees doesn't sound to bad.
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when you compare it to that it doesnt look that hot does it.
have to say i was concerned about mine at first as it was idling 38/40c ish. i think that asus expected most of the people who buy this board to oc will remove the fitted cooling and add there own.
im more than happy after just refitting mine and screwing a 60mm fan onto the stock hs mine idles at 32c and hits 36c after a good gaming session only stress testing has took it above that.
i couldnt tell you where i posted about that bios, i just thought i would let sam and russ know what i had read about it as they both have it too.
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29. March 2007 @ 09:49 |
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Some people worry too much. They should get the tweaks to the OC in limits the system can support without being over stressed. All new BIOSs couldn't be bad or there would be no need for them. Granted some are bug ridden, but a lot of those are betas. Not all updates are meant for all systems built on the board. If it's just a matter of supporting a new CPU, why would you need it and yours already booting. Some settings come and go. I see how that can be annoying. But that is usually for the more extreme OCers.
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i have to agree and disagree with you here pacman. i think alot of people dont worry enough about temps. look thru the general threads and alot of the problems people have are caused by insuficent cooling.
bios well yes and no again, if you need to for cpu support, of course but if your system is working fine and the contents of the new bios will add little or no benefit to you, or even worse remove features you use (down changable multi) its a nobrainer in my mind.
now the latset released bios on my board doesnt realy address the issues that the user base are looking for. they want more ram compatability and issues with 4x1gb sticks. for me i want my saved profiles to work after i save them because i know they worked before i did.
just my 2 pennies worth.
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30. March 2007 @ 03:14 |
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I'd like a BIOS that doesn't have huge blackspots, but we don't all get what we want!
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30. March 2007 @ 04:22 |
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lol i think ocers everywhere would love that bios.
i think that they might be linked to the ram and ratios, but i have nothing to back this up other than a gut feeling.
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Does anybody know how much you would expect to pay for an E6800 in au $'s?
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not sure of relivance but you can get them for £620 in the uk which is around $1500(aus) at todays exchange rate.
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Well that sounds cheap well not cheap cheaper then I thought or maybe its me as ive been on the computer for 13 hours and counting its near 1am here LOL!.
Well at least i got an answer this time last time I asked in this thread was 9 months ago and i got suspended 5 min after so i never knew.
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Heh, many people have been in the same boat in this thread, me included. Anyway, let's leave that situation alone. The X6800 doesn't seem to have got that much cheaper over here, rather it's cheaper to buy everything in Australia.
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just my 2 pennies worth.
As far as the bios goes, I couldn't agree with you more. However like the ones for the P5N-E the first bios (2.02) had known problems right from the start. In fact there was a lot of bios revisions for just about every MB that supported the Conroe right from the begining. Bios revision 3.07 corrected some of the known problems but created a raft of new ones! Then came 4.01 which so far seems to be the most stable. 5.05 (which so far is a beta) has been on and off Asus download list several times now. It seems for every problem from previous versions, 5.05 added a bunch of new headaches! Early complaints about memory and stuff were many. This went for all the MB manufacturers. People couldn't get some MBs to even post or if they did, boot into Windows.
I went back and looked at some of the older posts in the overclocking forums and the problems that were around then are not the same problems folks are having today. There's still memory issues to be sure but it has gotten a lot better. After a while of reading it's pretty evident that the bios issues are being sorted out, and you can pretty well tell which bios to use. For Sam's MB that would be 4.01. That's the general concensus on those forums for his MB.
I upgraded my bios in my D-940 to the latest one a few months ago and wasn't happy with the way it ran, so I reverted back to the previous bios and all's well with it now. I did a little reading and discovered that the complaints I had with the new one were being had by most folks which made switching back that much easier for me.
Even going back to the older posts in the various MB reviews at Newegg helps. As you read forward you can pretty well tell what bios version should work the best. I know there's the idiot factor to consider but after a while you can pretty much figure out which reviews to discount.
The replacement MB which was shipped yesterday, arrived this morning so I will be hard at it later today. I don't know what bios is in it yet but if it's not 4.01 I will re-flash it. Let you know later how everything works.
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Originally posted by marsey99:
i have to agree and disagree with you here pacman. i think alot of people dont worry enough about temps. look thru the general threads and alot of the problems people have are caused by insuficent cooling.
With the people in question it would be more like they didn't worry about cooling at all until it was too late. How many times have we seen the neglected system gradually fade away. I had one PC owner complaining about the PC not working properly. It was probably one of the worst cases I've seen. The PC was obviously in a dusty environment and there was a heavy smoker constantly using it. The PC told me. Dust had accumulated and was stuck to everything by the residue from the cigarete smoke and it smelled a bit like an old ashtray. The small fan for the stock cooling was so loaded with crap, it could barely move air and the vent was almost blocked. You can imagine the heatsink for the CPU. A good cleanup and a drive and that one was back in action. If not for the faulty drive, I wonder if they would have kept going till the system fried.
I guess what I'm saying is that stock systems rarely fail from overheating unless the user does something to it, either by action or inattention. Custom builders usually build or create their problems. They should have ample cooling for their project. A custom build should be monitored (at least for a while) to see how it will react under different circumstances and loads. The best scenario I can use to explain is when I'm tweaking a system. I push it to the limit or slightly past. Part of seeing the limit, if the system doesn't crash, is the heat going dangerously high from overstressing the system. Back off to where the temps are stable and the system doesn't crash, check the settings and if all looks right, job done. There are those who have tried to OC a system without a temp monitor. Go figure.
I guess the easiest way to state the issue with temps is to control it and not let it control you. Build for it as a controlable factor. On my last build I went with a big Zalman cooler, a case with more than ample ventilation, and components that have proven stable and sturdy. It's been running for a few months now and it's not overheated. It's been burnt in and fully tested, so the likelihood of it doing so is remote unless a part fails. I realize some people like to keep changing settings and using their PC as a toy instead of a tool. On occasion I fall into that category. However, we shouldn't go complaining when we know we're the P.I.C.N.I.C. (problem in chair, not in computer). If you can't get enough cooling for where you want to go, it's time for liquid or phase change.
bios well yes and no again, if you need to for cpu support, of course but if your system is working fine and the contents of the new bios will add little or no benefit to you, or even worse remove features you use (down changable multi) its a nobrainer in my mind.
I thought that's what I said. Guess I should have made it as concise as you have. ;)
now the latset released bios on my board doesnt realy address the issues that the user base are looking for. they want more ram compatability and issues with 4x1gb sticks. for me i want my saved profiles to work after i save them because i know they worked before i did.
If it's the Asus P5N-E SLI with the 0505 BIOS update, your problem was addressed according to note on update features. Isn't retaining preferred settings part of the C.P.R. (CPU Parameter Recall) package. 0505 obviously has something for you, if the changes don't effect you in other ways.
just my 2 pennies worth.
I suspect we may agree on more than you thought, at least on these topics.
@ theonejrs
Any time you have a new CPU like the C2D, the changes needed to support it are going to take continued R&D to help fulfill its capabilities. Chipsets have been improved along with overall board construction. The changes now aren't as frenzied as when C2D first arrived last year. Notice how much has been happening with your 940 system. You updated the BIOS and did'nt like the looks and reverted. Not much R&D going on there or many options. I realize you like to play with your system as well as I do mine. But most of the decision about system limits was made up front when you made the decision on the board, CPU and other components to build with.
I know you like talking about what you've done and the things that went wrong which you eventually solve. It leads me to wonder, how many problems were from system flaws and how much did you cause, either from working on the system or choice of components. I'm very selective of what I build with and have refused "budget" builds where the parts were too inferior. Point being, I suffer fewer parts failures than average. On mobos, you've been through more for your personal PC over the past year than I have in 10.
I realize a poor power source, your grid is notorious, can cause problems. You could have addressed the situation with relatively inexpensive technology and then worked on your inventions and tested them when constructed. A variable power PSU and/or a UPS would solve the grid problem. Instead you've suffered system damages that could have originated from an unstable power source. You said a PSU failed, which is effected by power fluctuation. If the stability of the PSU is compromised, then what does the board recieve? With an older tech board, it's no wonder you had power management issues using a CPU known for needing a board with better power management. Add to that the problems contributed by the PSU and you have your recipe for disaster. Since the board problems you have admitted to letting the system remain less stressed. Hopefully you've done something about the power as well, besides using a better grade PSU.
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In all honesty I'd say it wasn't the power grid to blame for ending a cheap PSU's life, it was the PSU itself. Cheap crummy PSUs need no encouragement to combust.
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30. March 2007 @ 13:49 |
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I'll have to agree in part. But a weak or flawed PSU can be helped along by spikes, surges and brown outs. Plus if not stable, the PSU can cause fluctuations in output to the board and we all should know how that works out.
I'm glad you pointed out something for your friend Russ that I alluded to.
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If you buy and use crap parts, you're begging for problems. theonejrs should have known better and been monitoring the system, especially since it was still a new build with different settings being tried. Two things stand out, bad parts selection and poor procedure in not monitoring the system properly. I'll have to give theonejrs a bye though. Even with most crap PSUs, they die and go away without taking the system down with them. In his case which came first, bad PSU and power management or faulty sensors?
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Unfortunately I learned the cheap PSU argument the same way Russ did - the hard way. Difference was, I needed a PSU quickly as one of mine stopped working properly, and all the store would give me was a Qtec. I said "have you not got anything else?" they said no. So that was all I was able to lay my hands on. I didn't think to get a better one quick enough. :-(
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