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14. July 2007 @ 02:11 |
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Well yeah, on ebay you can find Sony ones for a little bit more money, but that's all you find. One model for the entire country and you can only buy it on ebay!
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16. July 2007 @ 07:33 |
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>.> The DLPs are nice... I want one. lol
But I see only 1080i/p resolution DLPs. Are they resolution bound or are they just formatted to be compatible? They're huge and thin but if 1080i/p is the best it can do for resolution I would get some massive jaggies trying to game...
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16. July 2007 @ 07:42 |
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What on earth? 1080i/p (1920x1080) is one of the highest resolutions you can get. Projectors will always seem low res if you sit right in front of them, the point is to be able to sit further away...
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17. July 2007 @ 01:00 |
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Yes, for video or television 1920 x 1080 is one of the highest resolutions. But I frequently am able to game at 1600 x 1200+.
Is there a(what is the) difference between HD integrated/progressive and high resolution? I would love an explanation.
As you can tell, monitor/screen resolution escapes me.
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17. July 2007 @ 01:08 |
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the I is for interlaced, not integrated.
Interlaced is the standard old fashioned TV method where half of the screen (every other line) is sent one frame, and the other half is sent the next, so the whole screen only really updates 30 times a second, rather than 60 (or 25 versus 50 for the UK)
Progressive is like a computer screen, everything on screen gets updated every time. This is why CRT TVs displaying computer images seem 'flickery'.
HDTV only really encompasses two resolutions other than the normal TV res (640x480/850x480 for US, 720x576/1024x576 for UK), which are 1280x720 and 1920x1080. Anything in between, such as when you hook a PC up to an HDTV is being converted to the screen's native resolution.
LCDs, Plasmas and DLPs only have one native resolution. This is usually the top resolution for monitors (1024x768 for 15", 1280x1024 for 17/19", 1600x1200 for 20", 1440x900 for 17-19" widescreen, 1680x1050 for 20-22" widescreen, 1920x1200 for 24-28" widescreen and 2560x1600 for 30" widescreen), but for TVs, not always. A true 1080p TV will be native at 1920x1080 so you get the proper picture, and the quality of a 720p signal is slightly reduced in order to fit properly. A 720p TV that accepts 1080i/p inputs is downscaling the 1920x1080 input to 1280x720 so it can be displayed.
With me?
For video/television, 1920x1080 is the highest resolution.
Monitors however sit well above that, at 2048x1536 for CRT and 2560x1600 for LCD, assuming you buy the top end models.
The CRT advantage is that they have no native resolution, only an optimal, so they can display all resolutions without having to convert the picture, very useful. That and you can get a 19" 2048x1536 screen, LCDs can't quite get that pixel density, unless you buy a very expensive laptop!
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17. July 2007 @ 02:36 |
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Estuansis,
One of the major advantages of DLP over conventional rear projection TVs is there are no hot spots, so the viewing angle is much better. It also changes the distance of the focal point to a much shorter length than any CRT projection system could achieve. The angle of projection is much wider with DLP because the projection source is so much smaller. That's why the cases, while still deeper than an LCD or Plasma can be that thin. You can't really hang them flat on a wall, but the picture quality is so much better, who cares! The three primaries are mixed and aligned before projection so convergence isn't a problem. On a CRT projection the three primeries have to be aligned very precisely, while on the DLP, the mirrors take care of that problem. All of that results in colours that remain as good as new after years of use. That's one of the drawbacks to the Plasma. Even though they have improved those, they are still no match for the longevity of the DLP or an LCD!
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17. July 2007 @ 02:53 |
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You forgot to mention that a 46" 1080p Bravia LCD is £2300, a 55" 1080p Bravia DLP is £1100!
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17. July 2007 @ 03:27 |
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Sam,
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You forgot to mention that a 46" 1080p Bravia LCD is £2300, a 55" 1080p Bravia DLP is £1100!
The Bravia 46" LCD is $2,699 at newegg while the Toshiba 57" DLP, both with 1080P is only $1,399 or almost half the cost. Both sets are very highly rated here in the US. You can also get the Toshiba 65" for $900 less than the Bravia 46" LCD. You do the math!
I tried to make the same comparisun that you made but I couldn't find both Sony models at newegg! No matter, the DLPs are cheaper! Finding one is easier too. Just look for the best picture (by a wide margin) in the store. That's what the Salesman at sears told me! Took me maybe 15 seconds to scan up and down the display area from about 100 feet away and spot which ones were DLP! People seem to buy the LCDs because they can be mounted flat on the wall. If I want it up that high (which I don't), I'll build a simple shelf!
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17. July 2007 @ 03:31 |
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Knowing how hot my LCD monitor gets, I'm not sure I'd want to mount an LCD TV on a wall anyway...
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17. July 2007 @ 04:21 |
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@sam, Heat is a non-issue for me so far... pretty warm, yes. But not hot or anything near starting fires ;P.
So, let me get this straight. A DLP is basically a CRT that projects at a wider angle and instead uses mirrors to flip and stretch that image? Tell me if I'm wrong here.
But if what I said is correct that means that the DLPs have a virtually limitless resolution. But they're sized to fit a 1080 resolution? Is that why what I looked at said 1080p?
Again, if I'm wrong here, dumb it down and point out where I'm wrong :)
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17. July 2007 @ 04:34 |
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17. July 2007 @ 05:04 |
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That's really very interesting.
But I don't get it. How do the tiny mirrors move? Electro-magnetic currents?
Does the number of mirrors give it its max resolution as the number of pixels do in an LCD? Are DLPs susceptible to burn-in on the screen?
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17. July 2007 @ 05:33 |
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Estuansis,
Go here!
http://www.itsthemirrors.com/
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But I don't get it. How do the tiny mirrors move? Electro-magnetic currents?
Does the number of mirrors give it its max resolution as the number of pixels do in an LCD? Are DLPs susceptible to burn-in on the screen?
I don't know the answer to the first question. Whatever it is, is pretty freekin tiny!
The second question is a yes and no answer as it's a bit complex. The overall pixels in terms of resolution are the standard 1080p, but the individual pixels of that 1080p are made up of many more pixels. Millions of them! They are not susceptible to burn in! It's picture density is many times that of an LCD screen as each color is controled in a manner that an LCD can't be. When you click on the link you will see just how small the picture it starts out with really is. The little girl is right, It's the Mirrors! Check it out! Truly amazing!
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17. July 2007 @ 06:22 |
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Damn it Russ, look what you've made me want? lol
On a side note, as per usual we're not discussing Intel vs AMD!
Does anybody know the release date of AM3?
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17. July 2007 @ 06:40 |
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sammorris,
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Damn it Russ, look what you've made me want? lol
LOL!!
How do I run my monitor in 1080p? It does both 1080i and 1080p or is that just for HD TV?
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On a side note, as per usual we're not discussing Intel vs AMD!
Hey, you can plug your AMD or Intel computer into most of them! LOL!!
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17. July 2007 @ 06:42 |
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It will accept 1080i/1080p inputs, probably through the DVI connection, but it's resolution being limited to 1680x1050 means it's one of those monitors that will downscale the image to fit. Not sure what it'll downscale it to.
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17. July 2007 @ 11:02 |
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I was hoping to read up on peoples take on the forthcoming AM3 but here I find you guys discussing TV's. hmmmm, Well I have a Toshiba 32" LCD and a Panasonic 46" Projection. Both of which I watch at 1080i. I have a HTPC connected to my Toshiba via DVI to HDMI cable. Your video card settings determines how the signal is outputted to the TV, whether interlaced or progessive. I use an ATI x1600PRO card with Catalyst Drivers. The Toshiba is able to display any resolution I throw at it as long as it's under the 1920x1080 resolution. For the fun of it I connected my DELL 19" LCD to my DISH box and was able to watch HD programming on it at 1080i, the only problem it had was that it made people look like they were stretched vertically because the max res for my Computer monitor is 1600x1200. On some DVD playback software you can set the software (Cyberlink PowerDVD) to perform de-interlacing, which I assume is making it progressive.
I think DLP's are more like a projection TVs having a "light" source then using mirrors to enlarge the image to the screen size. Aside from DLPs, Plasmas, and LCDs, there are new LED (Light Emitting Diode) TV sets that are also relatively thin and should run very cool. Samsung has a line of them.
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17. July 2007 @ 11:09 |
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I didn't think they were out yet?
If they can solve the problem of the blue OLED not lasting long enough, I'd be interested. Super thin, super high performance and low cost, but until that happens OLEDs are a bit of an up and coming.
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17. July 2007 @ 11:27 |
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Oh my apologies their "LED" TV is that they now use LEDs as the light source for their 1080P DLP TVs instead of a bulb, which seemed to burn out quickly.
Oh and Estuansis' idea of a super thin CRT, with crazy sharp resolutions is not far from reality...check out the quite promising SED TV technology.
Here is a picture of one...enjoy!
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17. July 2007 @ 11:35 |
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Ah, I was talking about OLED TVs.
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17. July 2007 @ 14:11 |
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6spdSER,
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I think DLP's are more like a projection TVs having a "light" source then using mirrors to enlarge the image to the screen size.
That would be incorrect! The millions of mirrors are all on a chip about the size of a cpu. Here's a complete explanation of it. Click on the explanation of the mirrors and then click the more complete explanation of the mirrors!
http://www.itsthemirrors.com/
Amazing stuff! I would very much like to see this tech applied to a computer monitor! BTW, My best friend has yet to replace the bulb after more than 2 years on his Mitsubishi DLP! The big problem with LEDs is Pixelation! At any kind of decent contrast ratio, the picture appears grainy. Sharp found this out with their Projector system that could project up to a 100" picture on a screen and finally abandoned the system altogether. With the DLP each individual pixel is made of of many other pixels with each of those millions of tiny mirrors controling a portion of each pixel. Successful Organic LEDs are a long way off, and still have the pixelation problem to deal with cause mainly by the size of the individual LEDs!
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Oh and Estuansis' idea of a super thin CRT, with crazy sharp resolutions is not far from reality...check out the quite promising SED TV technology.
Yes, and notice the washed out appearance of the picture. It lacks contrast. that's the bane of any LED screen!
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I think I get how DLPs work now. Set resolutions but high pixel density means no jaggies >.>
Am I right now? lol
It does seem like a very fragile technology though. If I bought a DLP I would have it shipped in a foam padded steel box with armed guards and a self-destruct timer for broken parts... lol
But it is a solid concept and looks to be a good display medium. But I'll happily stick with my Sceptre Naga and my new(upcoming) Dell 2407WFP.
LCDs are simpler IMO. They either have dead pixels or not and are easier to transport. If resolution becomes an issue you just upgrade and get over it.
CRTs are dead because of their limiting size and LEDs are only useful for large signs and Jumbo-Trons.
Back to the subject matter before we're closed, eh?
Looking back I see the Athlon 64 3300+. It was Palermo core and performed crap even compared to similar Semprons. Besides that it was OEM and overpriced.
Just like how if you buy a 2500+ Barton from eBay chances are you're getting a re badged Sempron/Duron with half the cache.
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17. July 2007 @ 23:32 |
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Estuansis,
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It does seem like a very fragile technology though.
Actually it's not fragile at all. It's more rugged than LCDs! The mass that moves is so tiny, less than 1/5 the thickness of a human hair in width and length. Plus if you noticed the action and how it works when it's off thay all lie flat without any movement, so there's nothing to bounce around. You are more likely to get a bad pixel than have any problem with DLP! There's no alignment needed either.
The reason for the pixelation with LEDs is a simple matter of physics! The size of the individual LEDs needed to make the screen matrix, and craming them in perfect order into the screen. The mirrors are so much smaller to start with and each one controls a specific spot on the screen.
I'm sure you don't know this but the first Color TVs were Black & White based. Columbia Broadcasting company developed one that was superior to the 3 gun system that was developed by RCA. It's only drawback was the mechanical parts of the day weren't up to the job and they were noisy!
Technicolor is also a Black & White based system too where three filmstrips are made, one for each Primary color. I have a DVD of Robin Hood with Errol Flynn made in 1939 and it's color is magnificent!
Hope that explains why it's so good and so rugged!
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Here's something interesting, one of the music artists I'm into, Aphex Twin, first started making music at the age of 12 with a ZX81. I'm told the ZX81 had no sound production ability at all. He managed to manipulate the video signal it sent to the TV in such a way that the hum of the Cathode ray tube played music!
Even today, he does bizarre things like that - for example, run one section of one of his tracks through a Spectrum Analyser and you see his face. I wish I was that musically talented!
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You either get a dead pixel or you don't
Believe it or not, some dead pixels can in fact be rectified by rubbing the screen. It doesn't always work, but in some cases doing that has resurrected the pixel entirely!
With regard to getting them though, they're pretty rare nowadays, even on the cheapest models. I expect you're pretty safe in that sense with the 2407.
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18. July 2007 @ 00:27 |
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sammorris,
I've been hunting around for an organ for a few months now. I want to go back to playing as I really enjoy it and it relaxes me. Problem is finding one (no I don't want a synthesizer). Not finding one because most people will give them away just to get it out of the house!
I love the old Theater Organs because you can play any type of music you want on them from Classical to Hard Rock! I came across this the other day, and I think my prayers have been answered.
http://www.crumhorn-labs.com/Hauptwerk-WhatIsIt.shtml
It's a program that makes the sound with the computer played through a Midi keyboard. It's the closest to pipes I've ever heard and they have some complicated sampling system where each note is completely different, not just in sound but in character as well. Like the pipes, each note is unique! Check it out and play some of the demos. They have a little something for everyone. It can make your computer into a Virtual Pipe Organ without the bulk of Leslie tone cabinets and huge speakers or a console for that matter. And it sounds better than what you can buy!
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