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Computer Crashing - Need help
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janrocks
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7. June 2006 @ 17:15 |
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Just to help the other people working on this...
Service pack3 !! (AKA..you WILL pay for our flawed product!!)
Have you had the bells and whistles from MS yet? They don't always announce it, do you lose function from your keyboard and mouse seemingly at random too?? If so then you have been auto-updated.. I have seen over 20 with various faults over the weekend all related to an auto update on cloned software..
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TheFear
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8. June 2006 @ 09:01 |
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Service Pack 3 ?!?! Is there such a thing?
And unfortunately, I couldn't understand any other point from the previous message there...with the "bells and whistles" notion an all...
Please rephrase?
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boxwrench
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8. June 2006 @ 09:28 |
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I've got a feeling it's Micro$oft's way of saying "Pay me now or pay me later...either way your going to pay!) In other words they are purposely buggering up illegit copies of windows.
Just buy it or use Linux.
Main System- Amd/64 3800x2 currently@ 2.5ghz. Asus A8N-E,win.xp-pro.4x1gb.Ocz platnium ddr 400,Maxtor 40gb.& 250gb.ide & 2x W.D.250 sata,Benq 1650V dvd Reader & Benq DW-1655 Writer,EVGA Geforce 7600gs,Creative Audigy-LS,Antec 750w psu. Vizio 37"hdtv monitor 1360x768@75hz.
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dolphin2
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8. June 2006 @ 11:22 |
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@janrocks That is a strange one. Is/was it a legal copy of Windows?
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theres a lot of things going on with respect to unregistered software at the moment..
Funny you should mention this. I have just seen illegal copys have some really strange problems showing up. Quite a few have been with the http.sys file. It causes Stop Error screens (blue screens of death). Seen any of this? Keep it in mind if needed.
@TheFear It wouldn't hurt to run an on-line scan such as HouseCall. Try it, it can't hurt. I still think it's a RAM problem.
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Does anyone think that it's possible that Microsoft has come up with a way to cause these Stop Errors on illegal copies of Windows?
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boxwrench
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8. June 2006 @ 11:29 |
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@dolphin2,
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My Windows is not a legit copy. :(
There are no programs illegally installed, it's either freeware or trials.
I do have limewire though, I use it to download music and movies.
I think this info alone would be most if not all of TheFears problem.
Kinda makes you wonder if M$ is doing something!
Main System- Amd/64 3800x2 currently@ 2.5ghz. Asus A8N-E,win.xp-pro.4x1gb.Ocz platnium ddr 400,Maxtor 40gb.& 250gb.ide & 2x W.D.250 sata,Benq 1650V dvd Reader & Benq DW-1655 Writer,EVGA Geforce 7600gs,Creative Audigy-LS,Antec 750w psu. Vizio 37"hdtv monitor 1360x768@75hz.
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catchy
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8. June 2006 @ 12:33 |
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Sounds like dodgy RAM to me. Failing that my next guess would be the mobo. Try re-install first but if it doesnt fix then i would say your RAM
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janrocks
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8. June 2006 @ 12:45 |
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The ongoing saga with the AMD..another service call today. Guess what.it's booting to XP though the boot drive is Ubuntu and usually you have to select which os to run.. Stranger and stranger..the Primary master drive isn't detected in the bios..
Unplug IDE3 (sata with the xp drive on it) and the drive detects and boots linux as normal..plug the sata back in and the drive again isn't detected.. Now I call this a virus. deleberate malware installed against the owners wishes..
I reinstaled a different linux (suse) as it's only a 10 gig drive to be greeted with instead of grub, the bootloader I installed, the XP flash screen again.
I did a little probing and again the bios has been reset to boot from IDE3!! Turns out the owner had booted xp by mistake with the cable modem connected, there were no drivers installed for the modem and the internet wasn't supposed to be accessible..yet there was an apache server running and ports 80 and 21 were wide open both ways..
It's not my machine and I don't get paid to troubleshoot illegal software so I have now washed my hands of the whole affair, but it seems that M$ are in all out attack mode.. another 10 today with the pirate software warnings
Maybe SP2 shipped with a date activated piece of code..this comp was also losing function from the mouse and keyboard, as was another xp machine installed from the same disk that has never been connected to anything.. Time to buy or use something else... I changed over to Debian completely about 4 weeks ago.. I saw this coming, and I'm not playing that game with M$.. lol
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TheFear
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8. June 2006 @ 16:07 |
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janrocks, you are talking in riddles again :)
What I could grab from that last message, is that you helped someone fix their computer, and the problems were viruses and non-legit windows. Many of you are suggesting the possibility that MS is deliberately bugging non-legit Windows, which could be a whole new interesting topic altogether.
This suggests to me that I should get myself a real Windows CD. But the problem is some of you think it's a RAM issue, and some think it's a Windows issue. Has it come down to me to decide? I am really not sure.
Could you all back up your opinions with reasons, so that myself and others would understand where you're coming from, and what evidence proves it. So just explain your opinion so that the people who think differently from you can understand why and how it may be true, creating a little debate that will ultimately pinpoint my problem.
Pleassse Thanks!
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dolphin2
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8. June 2006 @ 18:50 |
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@janrocks I'm a little confused about what you wrote. Shouldn't the SATA drive boot before the IDE? If the IDE has the grub, it wouldn't boot to it. The cable modem itself shouldn't need drivers, only the PCI (eathernet) card. The apache server was running under Windows? Was the owner running a web site and ftp servers? Why else would apache be installed?
Wow! There sure seems to be a lot of pirated Windows in your area. The fact that one had the problems without being connected to the internet rules out my theory about an update causing these problems.
I'm currently trying Knoppix and the live version of Unbuntu. I've had troubles trying to install Debian. How well have you learned Linux? I've got a small sound problem. :)
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@TheFear I suggest you get a legal copy of Windows. I just got an OEM version for a friend for $99. I can give you the link, if interested.
I still stand on my opinion that it's the RAM. I base this on the memory.dmp log you posted.
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janrocks
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9. June 2006 @ 04:38 |
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OK..as an IT pro (of sorts) here's how I would go about resolving the random crashing issue...
Dump windows conpletely and try running something like Ubuntu Linux or suse or whatever...just not Windows for a day or so and see if the crashing continues.. If it does then there is a hardware problem, if not it's software related. The memory dumps indicate corrupted software rather than faulty ram..but I would need to see at least 20 snapshots into what is and isn't loaded, with a full list of running processes to get a real idea. There are similarities between your faults and the machine I have been working on, particularly the "missing" drive.. Without Windows everything works perfectly.
Usually with a ram error xp throws up page-fault or non-paged area errors on install.
@ dolphin2.. Just to clarify my earlier post..
The machine was set up dual boot..with Linux on the primary master IDE 1..with the illegal xp on IDE3 sata...It doesn't matter which drive which OS is on...the IDE3 master (maxtor) wasn't even listed in the boot devices in the bios, so in theory there is no way on earth that should boot first. With it plugged in the ide 1 primary drive didn't exist, even if set up manually it was not being detected and didn't exist.. so something with xp is interfering with the bios settings.
The cable modem (motorolla surfboard 5100) needs drivers installing as xp doesn't come with them and it can't connect without them..Tested..no modem found...unknown device in device manager, no internet connection in system settings..
Apache..apparently windows needs some features of this running but why I have no idea..seems stupid to me, and insecure as hell.
As to MS deliberately fuxxoring pirate xp installs..they are!!.. A warning screen comes up informing the owner that they may be the victim of piracy...then the machine seems to go mad..random crashes..no mouse or keyboard or sound drivers..It all just goes crazy. Reading back, error reports were sent to MS from TheFear's machine...so they logged your os serial/version and your IP, and will be well aware that your software isn't legal, regardless of whatever fine words are in the privacy statement they have the right to protect themselves from piracy by making illegal use of software as difficult as possible..food for thought
In closing...it's funny all these sort of problems I see come from dodgy windows, there are a lot of illegal installs in this part of the UK.. A large independent trader a year or so back was selling new and second user systems with illegal installs and backup disks.. I have only seen one legit windows machine with problems since christmas. The graphics card was failing!
I only threw this in here to help avoid a possibility of spending a large amount of money on ram only to find the fault is still there.. Test properly, try a different os for a day or so. Find somebody with a compatable machine and test your ram in it. Try plain xp (not sp1 or 2) with autoupdates off if you have to, or even "god forbid" 2000..
Good luck.. I think the days of "free" MS software are over..
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dolphin2
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10. June 2006 @ 10:35 |
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fuggedup
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11. June 2006 @ 05:16 |
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im not on a retail version of xp pro.. but i can use the program just fine
most problems i have got with windows can be resulted with a good ol' prefech clearning
start > run > type prefetch > ok or enter
select all > delete
reboot
one other thing.. turn off the burning in DVD Shrink.. that causes a lot of problems for people
also it could be freezing because it does not work well anymore with the new copy write codes in DVDs.
most people have had to switch to something else
I live my life one warez download at a time.
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