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17. August 2006 @ 18:18 |
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@He_Man: No one really "contributed" to this alot (except Sammorris, some others as well but not as much as Sammorris) and no one bothered to make this a sticky. Good point tho, but I don't know...is this thread worthy of being a sticky? It's not a how-to or anything but in the other hand it is like the other thread INTEL VS AMD (which is also not a how-to).
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@ sammoris: My "guy" can't get any of the video cards I have mentioned except a X1300 something but I don't want that one!!!!!!
Is the MSI NX730DGS better than my X600 PRO?? I will check myself and if I find the answer, I will edit this question out otherwise please answer it..thx
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ATI X1300 (not PRO) (256 MB of RAM) $88, ATI X1300 (not PRO) (512 MB of RAM) $109, ATI X1300 PRO (256 MB of RAM) 99$, these cards are better than the ATI X600 PRO, right? What's the difference between all of them? (other than the RAM) Which is the best deal? I most probably will get the $88 one, IF it is better in overall performance compared to the X600 PRO but I just want to know which one is the best deal for knowledge purposes.
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18. August 2006 @ 00:21 |
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Probably not to be honest, I'd stick with your X600 Pro if that's all you can get, the difference will be so slight. This thread hasn't been made a sticky because there isn't really enough activity to warrant it. If a few more members make regular discussion then maybe, but until that happens... I've been away from aD for two days and I return to find just two more posts in this thread...
What else can that guy get s3a?
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18. August 2006 @ 08:28 |
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Like I said before, I don't care how slight the performance increase will be as long as it is better. So you were talking about the X1300 ($88) card?
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18. August 2006 @ 08:35 |
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An X1300 would probably be slower, an X1300 Pro would offer the slight difference, but I'm absolutely serious. The difference will be so small you won't notice it. HONEST.
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18. August 2006 @ 08:51 |
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s3a calm down man,and yes it should be stickied
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18. August 2006 @ 08:55 |
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18. August 2006 @ 16:58 |
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First of all, I live in Canada...and, I cannot buy online!
@ He_man: I am not, not calm...I just put lots of exclamations to show that I want to know something [that might be important]...
@ sammorris: What does "sod" mean? I'll just do the waiting trick of selling my current X600 PRO and I'll wait a while (not too long) until prices go down on say, a X1300 PRO, then I'll sell that and wait a lil' and get a X1600 PRO...good idea? I have it all planed out...this is what I will do...on important school times such as exam weeks, etc, I will sell my current (to that time) card and when exams are over (or wtv important thing), I will buy a better gfx card. Clever, right?
Note: I WILL have a P3 laptop to "keep me going", and to help me do my homework!
I know, I have mentioned this idea of mine before but I have not mentioned that I will sell it when something important (exams for example) arrive, which makes it a much better idea since you (in this case, me) won't be playing games on exam weeks anyway. Now, I am just waiting for summer to be over, so that I can sell my gfx card and who knows maybe some other parts (not RAM)! In other words, I will keep upgrading my PC and NEVER HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING WHATSOEVER!!!
Please tell me that that is a good idea?
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18. August 2006 @ 18:58 |
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in a month (the length of time you become consumed by exams), you will not see a significant price drop, and you would not be able to sell your gfx card for that much because it is used. i dont think your plan is the best, but that's just my opinion. you'd have more money in the end if you kept your gfx card, made some money, then put those together than selling, then buying, then selling then buying. your gfx card, at least in my opinion, would not be worth too much atm, but it prob wont go down in price because it'll be a while before dx10 comes out ( at least a few months). but like i said before, that is just how i feel.
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18. August 2006 @ 19:52 |
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Quote:"in a month (the length of time you become consumed by exams), you will not see a significant price drop, and you would not be able to sell your gfx card for that much because it is used. i dont think your plan is the best, but that's just my opinion. you'd have more money in the end if you kept your gfx card, made some money, then put those together than selling, then buying, then selling then buying. your gfx card, at least in my opinion, would not be worth too much atm, but it prob wont go down in price because it'll be a while before dx10 comes out ( at least a few months). but like i said before, that is just how i feel."
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Sukhvail, your feelings serve you well...lol (you misunderstood me).
I will sell my gfx card in about 2 weeks (when school starts) and then, whenever a better one comes down to the price that I sold mine for, then I will buy it. In other words, I will sell mine in 2 weeks and by a new one in 2 months (not exactly true but just showing an example for you to understand). I can live without a strong comp when I am not using it! (get my point?) I WILL have my laptop for school, so this "waiting" which I will do every so often will never be a negative thing since, I will make sure that it is the right moment, such as exams.
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19. August 2006 @ 02:22 |
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s3a: You can't buy online? Whyever not? There are plenty of places (admittedly not newegg) that sell things online, and that guy is giving you rubbish prices.
"sod" means "forget about, get rid of". I think what you're doing is mad, really. You should really keep the X600 for a while until you can afford to get an X1600 or better in its place, else it really isn't enough of an upgrade. I wouldn't even consider rendering a PC disfunctional to wait for a component to lower in price, you're saving yourself so little. Despite what you might think, you can't get something for nothing. You can get something cheap (ahem, buy online) but not for nothing, you need some capital to keep such an investment going,
sukhvail: You've pretty much got it there, a used X600 isn't worth a carrot. A new X1600 Pro is.
s3a: well, I can't decide for you, but it's not what I would have done. If you're perfectly happy using the other PC during the wait with no "I want to use the other PC it's better" thoughts, then OK, but you really won't save very much.
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19. August 2006 @ 12:44 |
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If I insult you...don't get offended...my insults are "friendly insults"...I know this sounds stupid (ridiculous) but I am fet up of writing, "no offense" in my posts...
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19. August 2006 @ 14:13 |
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You can't even get a bank account? As far as I knew, you didn't need a good credit history to have a bank account, only to have a credit card. I've had an account since when I was 16 (i.e. minor) and got a debit card right away which i've used for many an online internet purchase, including some expensive ones! If you can bear a PCI card, then go for it.
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20. August 2006 @ 06:38 |
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Your talk is interesting...I will ask further questions about this bank account stuff.
*I am 14 not 16, does that matter? How old are you, sammorris?\
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I can live with a PCI Gfx card for a small while every now and then. How much can I sell my x600 pro without ripping someone off?..and THIS IS EXCLUDING online prices..meaning, comparing my prices to store prices instead of online stores such as newegg.
If I insult you...don't get offended...my insults are "friendly insults"...I know this sounds stupid (ridiculous) but I am fet up of writing, "no offense" in my posts...
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20. August 2006 @ 06:49 |
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I'm 18, I think you should be able to have your own account, but that's irrelevant, if your parents are able to help you out, they should have their own bank card, credit history or not. Without ripping someone off? erm probably $50 or so.
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20. August 2006 @ 14:25 |
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There are also custody "issues", etc!! I hate being a minor!!!
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20. August 2006 @ 14:39 |
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he, the worst age is yet to come, 15-16, because that's when you have to pay adult price for everything but can not legally drink or drive (never both at once, that's never legal or sensible!). I would moan about not being able to have a credit card until 18 but I don't think people should ever have them - too many bottomless pits!
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20. August 2006 @ 15:17 |
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I am very good at saving/managing money!! I think you can tell...lol...rendering a pc useless for 2 months..now, the solution! (Old PCI Gfx card for the period of time that I don't have a good card)
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Hmm, good, or ruthless?
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21. August 2006 @ 12:12 |
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You gotta give me points at least for creativity!
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Yep, you get those alright!
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Would anyone care to give advice on some buying choices I am contemplating? I have been an avid nVidia user since the GeForce 2, but am leaning towards trying out ATi this time around, especially after reading this article at AnandTech (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2812&p=1). I think I have it narrowed down to the following cards:
1. SAPPHIRE 100149L Radeon X1900XT 512MB 256-bit for $320 U.S. at Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814102025)
2. SAPPHIRE 100150L Radeon X1900XTX 512MB 256-bit for $360 U.S. at Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814102037)
3. GIGABYTE GV-NX79T256DP-RH Geforce 7900GT 256MB 256-bit for $271 U.S. at Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814125223)
4. eVGA 256-P2-N567 Geforce 7900GT KO Superclocked 256MB 256-bit for $290 U.S. at Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130016)
I am leaning towards the Radeon X1900XT as it seems to be best bang for buck.
As for the Sapphire cards, my understanding is the 256 bit interface will only allow marginal improvement for the 512 MB ram over 256 MB ram. Is this correct?
The eVGA comes factory OC'd at 580MHz/1580MHz. Are there stability risks associated with factory OC'd cards? I am not interested in doing any overclocking myself. I just want a card I can plug in and go with.
Which brings me to my next question. I have read about issues with ATi drivers. One of the things I have loved about nVidia in the past is their fantastic driver support. They are amazingly simple to install and I have only once run into a problem with them. I looked on ATi's site at the driver download installation section and it talks about having to install .Net 2.0. Is this really necessary? That could be a deal breaker for me.
Now a general question about nVidia vs ATi. In terms of image quality, color correctness, and brightness (all on a LCD flat panel), how to the two compare?
Also, one of the things important for me is the card be relatively quiet (which is why I have the Gigabyte with the Zalman cooler in the list). I am still doing research into which one is quietest and if I find it is indeed the Gigabyte, I might very well purchase that one. But what would I be trading in performance and quality?
Any advice would be appreciated.
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24. August 2006 @ 02:31 |
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Your lean is right, the X1900XT offers the best value, performing almost the same as the X1900XT-X. It's actualy $290 post-rebate, you know, so even less than you think. Pre-overclocked cards are usually stable, but of course you then can't overclock them yourself. Numerous problems have, however arisen with 7900GTS, particularly the overclocked ones, as in a bid to show off nVidia used the same 7600 cooler on the 7900 which means it can get very hot indeed. ATI's drivers are continuously improving, and while in the past they may have been in such a state to put you off an ATI card, at present they're actually very good and easy to work your way around, whoever keeps telling people they're still rubbish is just BSing his fanboyism for nVidia. In terms of image quality, ATI win hands down and always have done. Support for FSAA and HDR simultaneously (something nVidia still can't do) and High quality AF modes mean as far as quality goes they're in a league of their own. Performance per pound often pointed in nVidia's favour but now ATI's prices have come right down, they win in that league too! You'd be trading quite a lot of performance for quietness by buying the Gigabyte, the X1900XT is quite considerably faster than the 7900GT. People have moaned time and time again that the X1900 series cooler is loud. At full speed, it's very loud, but if you have a well-ventilated case like mine (and mine can easily be topped by others) it never goes anywhere near full speed, and is indeed relatively quiet. You can also use ATITool to force the fan speeds down if you watch the temperature, or even better you can buy this for $326 post-rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161014
That's an X1900XT with the HIS ICEQ3 cooler which ATI are making the stock cooler for the X1950, that's a very quiet cooler, and if you want silence, I thoroughly recommend it.
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24. August 2006 @ 02:39 |
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the x1900xtx is just not alot but just faster then the 7900gt
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24. August 2006 @ 02:40 |
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No, it's a LOT faster. You're thinking of the 7900GTX. The X1900XT is about a match for the 7900GTX, there's little in it, but they're both a lot faster than a 7900GT. Honest! :D
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I'm not a Gamer!!But I do a lot of recording on my Computer,any suggestions on a Video card W/Vivo.Right now I've got an ATI ALL in Wonder 9000PRO.I'm looking for something a little closer to HD
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