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fake verbatim and tdk ????
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axmad
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22. July 2006 @ 07:37 |
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hi guy
i bought some verbatim and tdk DVD+R from i well known big british supermaket named TESCO. however i went to this site to see if the DISC ID are the same
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
and this is what DVD Decrypter says about the dvd(verbatim)
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0
Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: RITEK-R03-02
Book Type: DVD+R
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 890,271
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0
and this is about TDK
SONY DVD RW DW-Q28A KYS3 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R
Disc Information:
Status: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 2,295,104
Free Space: 4,700,372,992 bytes
Free Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 6x, 8x
Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: CMC MAG-E01-00
Book Type: DVD+R
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0
disc id doesn't correspond with the site. so does that mean i bought fake dvds. can i still use them to back my games??
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ace1uk
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22. July 2006 @ 10:49 |
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No, it just means they're using a different dye. The Verbatims are using RITEK dye, and the TDK's are using CMC Magnetics, which most dvd producers are now switching to anyway.
Its not unusual for a dvd company to change the dye used on their discs.
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axmad
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22. July 2006 @ 10:51 |
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finally someone responded.
so DISC ID are never constant??
i bought the right stuff right?
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24. July 2006 @ 02:57 |
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hi axmad. did you get your link from liquidusx`s sticky about media?BIG RESPECT TO LIQUIDUSX FOR HIS KNOWLAGE.
i bought 50, DVD-R 8x verbs with the id mcc02rg2o from a world that sells pc`s haha. i`ve been told their ok. in the sticky and in your link i also can`t see your id code being associated to verbs (or am i missing something) Quote:
Verbatim = MCC02, MCC, MKM(DL), CMC, YUDEN, [quote/],
and he also sugests that
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verbatim has 7 too many manufacturers to still consider it in that 1st class.
MCC02
MCC
MKM(DL)
CMC
YUDEN
RICOHJPN
RITEKG03
too variable. worst off is they still use mcc media ID. [quote/]
the mcc is my id code , and the ritekgo3 is slightly different to yours.hmm.
if the id code determins what manufaturer made the discs does this mean verbatim, got retek to make them? if so......
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Can media ever change class? Sure. But it rarely happens. LD01 moved to the top 3RD class spot (got better) and RITEK media moved to the last 2ND class spot (got worse). CMC DVD+R moved up to 3RD class, and SONY0xD moved to 1ST class. But those are the only four major moves to date. It is not a quick move either, these things take much time and many tests.
they may be second class media....
Can anyone else jump in and put us straight?. wheres the a team when you need them?lol
do you allways use +r`s and booktype to dvd rom(i`m presuming)
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24. July 2006 @ 03:31 |
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Some companies outsource to get disc's made, so they will not alway use the same dye.
Others do no and will be pretty consistent. Give them a try as they may work just fine.
Personally i prefer the DVD-R myself but +R works great for some people, especially if their burner can booktype them to DVD-Rom
The Verbatim should be fine as Ritek is also a pretty good brand. I am not a big fan of TDK as i have found them to be inconsistent.
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axmad
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24. July 2006 @ 04:02 |
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nah mate. am having problems book typing. i have sony as my burner and as you know it's different from other drives when it comes to book typing. but i heard that you can still book type with sony by choosing lite on when asked what is your drive. but am having problem and i dont know how to slove them.
now DVD-R doesn't need book type. so it's easy to use them. am ganna change to them.
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24. July 2006 @ 04:46 |
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steimy, is there a preffered brand of verbs? my, mcco2 id,verbs sometimes produces coasters,i mean, are the ritek`s or say mcm`s branded discs, better?
yeh, -r`s only for my ps2, as it don`t read +r`s full stop(fat v7 ps2)
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ace1uk
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24. July 2006 @ 06:25 |
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I swear by RITEK G05 8x discs. Never have a coaster with them.
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24. July 2006 @ 11:21 |
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nah mate. am having problems book typing. i have sony as my burner and as you know it's different from other drives when it comes to book typing. but i heard that you can still book type with sony by choosing lite on when asked what is your drive. but am having problem and i dont know how to slove them.
now DVD-R doesn't need book type. so it's easy to use them. am ganna change to them.
Someone told you wrong about you needing to booktype by selecting Lite-On. You select BENQ and booktype DVD+R to DVD-ROM. You can also booktype +R DL to DVD-ROM. DVD-R can only be booktyped by one drive as far as I know but you don't need to booktype -R to begin with. Every DVD drive I've ever seen supports -R, except from some newer burners that only support +R. Hope this helpz
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24. July 2006 @ 11:54 |
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media is just a weird subject. What other people may swear by just may not work for you. Too many factors like media code and what your burner does best with.
I have heard that Verbatim are very good and if you get them from a good source like Supermediastore.com, then you should be fine as they will be top quality. those discs will be MCC02RG20 using MCC Metal AZO dye.
Verbatim (94852) 8X DVD-R Shiny Silver in Cake Box Spindle (Two 50-PK)
Ratings:
Product Code: DVD01X0212
Manufacturer: Verbatim
Media Code: MCC02RG20
Mfr part #: 94852
Taiyo Yudens will be a bit more expensive (32.99 for a 50 pack) but will be about the best media you can get as long as you buy the correct type like these.
Taiyo Yuden 8X DVD-R Media Silver Thermal Lacquer in Cake Box Spindle (Premium Line)
Ratings:
Product Code: DVD01X0165
Manufacturer: Taiyo Yuden - Made In Japan
Media ID: TYG02
Mfr part #: DVD-R47ZZSB8
I have also had great success with Philips 8X DVD-R but others may not. But after 2yrs of using them they never failed me and worked great with my old Sony DRU-700A
As for the booktyping, some Sony burners like the one i had and listed above are actually Lite-On burners that just get a sony badge stuck on them. Since i always use 8X DVD-R i can not tell you if setting the booktype to Lite-On would work or not.
read this as it explains how some Sony Burners can use the Booktype feature.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=103517
As far as making coasters goes that can be many factors OTHER than the media you use. It can be wrong burning speed, your burner or PS2 not liking the format (+R or -R but usually +R)
It can be that you have programs running in the backround or used the PC while burning them. Could be that you need to update your burners firmware so it will have better media compatibility and so on.
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axmad
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24. July 2006 @ 18:30 |
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@ ps2mance whoever told you that must have been wrong. if you use sony and u want to booktype there's only one brand that can do you the job and that's lite on only as far as i know. Sony dru-800a is in fact a rebadged Liteon SOHW-1693S. and other sony drives rebadge to other lite on. so i dont see where BENQ comes in no?
i dont get it TDK is first class media, but from what am hearing here it's almost unknown or not liked much.it's top especially now that it's using CMC MAG-E01-00 dye. anyway one man's meat is another man's poison. hehe
erm steimy. sony book type works when set to lite on.
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24. July 2006 @ 22:14 |
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Verb's no longer use CMC Mag, they switched to CMC Mag a couple year's back, you must've just gotten one of the old batches floating around. MCC quickly switched back to their own quality dye soon after word got out. Some people still don't trust them to this day because of that. I don't believe Verb's use Ritek dye nowadays, I'll have to look into that. All Verb's nowadays should be MCC dye, unless you have the misfortune of picking up of the old CMC Mag ones like axmad had. The media sticky isn't accurate in several areas, in my opinion. TDK being first class, isn't real accurate. The Sony branded Media ID being first class, I disagree there as well. I think it's Solid for movie backups, but not adequate for PS2 backups. Ritek's quality has been slipping on all but the G05 dye's, from what I've seen. A good friend of mine and I still debate that lol. Most all Sony drives are OEM BenQ's or Liteon's nowadays. More recently they've gone more to BenQ, in the past, Litey seemed to be the OEM of choice. I have a Sony DRU-810A, which is a BenQ 1640 rebadge. Hardware wise they're identical, except the BenQ costs half as much. In fact I cross flashed it with BenQ 1640 firmware, because it's a lot more feature packed. When booktyping in DVD Decrypter, you select the OEM, not the label on the drive, that's why someone with a Sony would select BenQ or Liteon from the menu.
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25. July 2006 @ 05:45 |
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Ive bought some discs from Aldis, there were called Tevion discs but they have the same I.D. code as Axmads verbatims, My I.D.Disc ID: RITEK-R03-02
1, were they made by same company,
2, does this mean there as good as the verbatims,
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ace1uk
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25. July 2006 @ 06:03 |
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1. The dye process was outsourced to the same company; RITEK
2. They're RITEK, so should be good. Although the G05 dye is better.
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25. July 2006 @ 06:56 |
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So do you reckon its worth grabbing some of them mate? Because ive Backed up my fight night round 3 on one of them and it was perfect,
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axmad
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25. July 2006 @ 08:34 |
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hi
we are all talking about dvd. lets swap to cd. now i bought maxell cd-r. what class are they ?? are they going to bring por for my lasers?? will they skip or behave unexpected ???
tokijin. so TDK is not first class?? what are verbs?? verbatim?? to me. TDK is working perfect for now. will the tear my lasers??
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25. July 2006 @ 09:20 |
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i agree with Tokijin here on the media.
I have not had that great of a success rate with TDK discs, or Sony discs for that matter. But i know people who use nothing but TDK and love them. It it depends on you PS2 and burner. He has a Sony DRU-710A burner and a V5/6 PS2 with DMS4 Pro chip that i gave him. I have played a few of the TDK discs he made and they ran just fine, and i have had others that he played fine, but mine had problem so i copied them to my brand of choice at the time (Philips 8X DVD-R) and the game played flawless.
As far as CD's they are not really a factor. I have had several different brands that i have used and have never had a problem.
I have some Sony CD's now and did a PS2 game on them just the other day and it worked fine, PC games have also worked fine on them.
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axmad
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25. July 2006 @ 10:20 |
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am asking if they would bring any harm to my lasers? can bad quality cd harm your lasers?? are MAXELL CD-R seen as bad quality??can i use them to back my cd games??
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25. July 2006 @ 13:27 |
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Steimy's already said in his post, it really doesnt matter for CDs, they're all pretty much similar.
However, I would say that the laser has to work harder with CDs than it does with DVDs, so try to avoid too many cd based games and/or DVDRips.
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25. July 2006 @ 13:37 |
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Yeah I checked around, and MCC doesn't outsource their discs nowadays, all Verb's will have the quality MCC dye. The information about outsourcing is at least one or two years old. In fact it was back in 2002, they switched to CMC Mag briefly, so Axmad must've just had some really bad luck. Generally Verb's are excellent media, a close second to Taiyo Yuden's in my personal opinion. As far as CD Media, honestly, quality doesn't matter nearly as much. Most of my PSX games are actually backed up on Memosux CD-R's. I wouldn't actively play a game off Memosux, I bought some Sony CD-R's on sale awhile back. But they're fine for data storage. That was the conclusion I came to after doing some research. Quality CD Media goes in about the same order as DVD Media- TY's and Verb's are excellent, Sony is okay, CMC Mag=crap. Mind you I have 100's of CD's backed up on CMC Mag, and most play fine. In short doesn't matter as much, but it's still a good idea to have some quality CD Media lying around.
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25. July 2006 @ 13:59 |
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I must admit, i have used a TDK DVD+R to back up my copy of Rugby 2006, it started off alright you get quite far into the game, and it loads alright, But when you go on to Challenge Mode, it suddenly crashes after your first match?
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25. July 2006 @ 14:14 |
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TDK Made in Japan media is solid. TDK Made in Taiwan media is the same as any big company, a gamble, and not worth your money. TDK stopped manufacturing their own media with the TTH02 media code about six months ago. Nowadays it's all outsourced, so you really don't want to take chance. Hate to sound like a broken record, but try out some 8x Taiyo Yuden's or Verbatim's.
86. Q. Where can I find good deals on legit Taiyo Yuden's and Verbatim's?
A. http://www.supermediastore.com
Great List of Merchants locally, online, in the U.K., etc:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/buyerguides/buymedia.htm
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25. July 2006 @ 14:23 |
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Cheers Mate, I will give that a go,
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axmad
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25. July 2006 @ 16:00 |
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i have TDK. i aint got a problem with them. i would just change if they start pissing me off. but what am most afraid of is TDK ruining my lasers. is that possible??? i mean cmc mag= crap but would they be so crap to even ruin your lasers??
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25. July 2006 @ 16:18 |
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Well a couple backups isn't going to ruin your laser. Long term usage of CMC Mag will wear down your laser quicker than using Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim. Where's the studies, evidence? There aren't any. Noone that I'm aware of has ever actually measured the long term effects of different DVD Media on the PS2. This is what modders have told me, DVD Media Experts, and from personal experience. The first 15 pack of DVD's I bought was CMC Mag, The second 50 pack was RitekG05. The CMC's ended up garbage, the Ritek was decent. Even with the Riteks, I still had to rebuild a couple EA sports games, which you shouldn't have to do with a modchip. I switched to Taiyo Yuden, first in -R format, then +R format, and 5,000 posts, 300+ PS2 backups later, I've never had a coaster that wasn't due to user error. I've talked to a couple people here and there that blame bad media for wearing down their PS2. It's simple. CMC Mag uses cheap dyes which will rot and wear down quicker than quality media. Your PS2 will have to strain more to read the cheap dyes. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim use quality Azo (metal) dyes which are smooth and go easy on the laser. Your laser will read them almost as well as originals. The less strain you put on your laser with cheap media, the longer it will last.
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