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why are you guys using swapmagic??
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24. July 2006 @ 11:49 |
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just wondering why you all are using swapmagic, when hdadvance is so much better. dont have to mess with the flip top cases, games work 100% of the time. you can store all your games on the HD. makes it so much easier. i had SM for about a month then i got HDadvance, and was 100 times happier with it.
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ace1uk
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24. July 2006 @ 11:59 |
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We're not all using Swap Magic, many people here have modchips.
And not all games work from the hard drive, some are incompatible. But every game works from a disc. Plus, you cant play online games from the hard drive either.
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24. July 2006 @ 12:00 |
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Some of us aren't, because we know better.
Either way your still swapping discs, where as i have a DMS4 Pro modchip and do not have to swap anything plus have many more features than HD Advance or Swap Magic will give you.
But most people use it as that is what Swap Magic was made to do.
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24. July 2006 @ 12:33 |
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4 reasons
1 im tight and dont like spending money
2 i have a slim ps2 and usb advance isnt worth a penny
3 i have ps2,xbox,gamecube,ds,gba all softmoded in someway all expect my trusy ps1
4 i just love have to rebuild,test for coaster,swap discs
but all this make no diff because i had hda and it took just as long to load but even long if the game i wanted to play wasnt on the hd
theres my reason
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24. July 2006 @ 13:05 |
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makes sense about not being able to play online with it being on the HD. this is a factor that i do not care about though, lol. sony online sucks compared to xbox's live, despite the fact that sony is free, but oh well. so what steimy said, you dont have to swap discs with HDadvance. at least the way i dont. i always put the game on my laptops HD, then trasnfer it over to the ps2s HD. much faster and works 100% of the time, while occasionally if you use hdadvance to decrypt the game it doesnt work. and very good point about about usbadvance not being worth a penny. from what ive read and heard, it is only compatible with about 1/5 of the games.
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24. July 2006 @ 14:19 |
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I use Swap magic 3.6,it is really great but id say every modchip or mod like swap magic or hdadvance has a problem.
what are you nagging about?
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26. July 2006 @ 08:30 |
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I bought SM3.6 at 30$ and I spent 30cents per disc.
I don't have spare HDD and i use slimPS2.
I'll not buy HD cos i don't have enough money to have another HDD
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26. July 2006 @ 17:06 |
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every modchip or mod like swap magic or hdadvance has a problem
Not true. Of course nothing's perfect, but a quality modchip is the best backup solution. If I wanted max potential for my PS2, I'd go with a DMS 4 Pro SE and HD. You can load games off a HD through Toxic, right off the chip, you don't even need any elf files, ToxicOS comes with a HD Loader built in, that works better and is updated more than the original HD Loader. Have you even seen a post from credible source who has a quality modchip, complained and went back to Swap Magic? I haven't. To me people who claim a modchip blew up their PS2 and were feeding CMC Mag into it for years don't count. This will come down to user preference. When it came time to get a modchip/Swap Magic, I did my research, asked around, and I went with a chip. Swap Magic is okay, if you're on a limited budget and don't mind swapping discs. If you have the money, a modchip beats it in every way.
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26. July 2006 @ 18:28 |
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Tokijin, well said as always. DMS4 Pro chips are just amazing.
Not to mention if you wanted to use ELF files it has a built in loader for those, a built in cheat device so you don't have to buy cheat discs and you can convert and use codes from 3 of the tops ones out there, can play games for any region with no problems like screen cut off, never have to rebuild games, can play DVD9 back ups, has built in support for formating and using large hard drives, has a skinnable GUI to change your wallpaper so to speak, and other things i am sure i have forgotten.
A quality mod chip is the hands down winner of the mod wars.
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30. July 2006 @ 07:42 |
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Because Swap Magic costs less and doesn't involve any of the hassel getting a mod chip does. Some of us just want a quick and easy way to play backups, we aren't making emotional investments in kitting out a console with chips and devices. I don't care enough to get a mod chip or a HDD. My PS2 is just a box gathering dust, not the focus of my life.
In any case, if you have the money to be buying chips and the HDD, why aren't you BUYING the games?
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axmad
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30. July 2006 @ 08:49 |
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i honestly don't know why some use swap magic. if it costs 19 pounds and a matrix infinity costs 23 pounds(wich is way more harder to install) why go for a swap magic ?? modchips>>> very easly used
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30. July 2006 @ 12:04 |
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you are also forgetting one thing.Where are u gonna get it installed?
obviously it will be easy in the us but in the uk its a different story.
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30. July 2006 @ 15:53 |
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Yeah. In a way I agree with you Axmad. Having a legit MI, I can't imagine swapping discs anymore. One of my best friends got Swap Magic at my instruction, and he hated it after a couple months. I told him to upgrade to an MI, and he's been playing his PS2 non stop ever since. There's legal issues. Personally, if I was in the UK, I would find a way to get a modchip, but that's beyond most people's means. Swap Magic is an adequate replacement.
@Haggar That's your opinion, unfortunately you only know to express like a teenager. I don't care for Swap Magic, but what I don't do is preach to people who have it, that it sucks. I realize that some people don't want to spend the money, or take the time to get a chip installed. You know how much I've played my PS2 in the last three months? Less than an hour. I haven't really bothered with it since I got an Xbox. So take your ignorance and stereotypes elsewhere. Grow up and realize that people can have a different Point of View, without being wrong.
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axmad
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1. August 2006 @ 15:43 |
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nah guys. they are alot of installers in the UK. i just lately got mine installed and it was 100% legal. dont know where u heard that modchiping in UK is illegal. anyway if modchip has legal issues what about swap magic. to me it stands in the same position when comes to law.
haggar
we are not actually talking about buying games or not. if u download games dont think everyone else does. some just get it to play back up not piracy. and besides better spend a little more and enjoy it rather than spending and be disapponted
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1. August 2006 @ 18:23 |
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There definitely illegal in the UK Axmad, the law just isn't enforced.
Sony v. Ball UK High Court June 2004 in the UK, it was found that Modchips were illegal devices. [2]
However, three years later in 2005, Modchips are still broadly available in the UK. Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo have not pursued other retailers and developers seriously. Apparently, Modchips are becoming illegal in more and more countries, due to changed legislation and amendments of laws for the digital age, and through lobbying activities of manufacturers and representatives.
Straight from the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modchips#Legality_elsewhere
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Yoti
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1. August 2006 @ 19:21 |
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In my country, Australia, $ony stated that a modchip was a circumvention device which was capable of circumventing, or facilitating the circumvention of, a technological protection measure; access codes and boot ROMs were technological protection measures and access codes and boot ROM prevented or inhibited the infringement of copyright by preventing access to unauthorised copies of games. Well the High Court didn't think so - as a result you can do anything you want to do with modchips - buy, sell or install.
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1. August 2006 @ 19:32 |
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I remember that. Important decision, law is all about precedent's, thought their illegal in the UK, the Aussie ruling was important for people abroad.
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2. August 2006 @ 03:58 |
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MHaggar,
I am sorry that you feel so strongly against people who enjoy having
a console that is highly modded. If i buy something and have a chance to make it better, then why not.
Having a chip gives you LESS hassle then Swap Magic, not more.
The chip is no hassle at all, you just buy a premodded console and your ready to go right out of the box.
Having a hard drive is also a big advantage. Say you have children for instance. Then the games would all be on the hard drive for them, no chance to break or scratch the disks let alone screw up the DVD Drive trying to use other methods. When you go on trips you have no discs to carry, just your system. Not to mention the increased loading times and other programs that you can put on it.
there is only one thing about your entire statement that is actually true, Swap Magic costs less. The rest is just opinion without fact.
lets break it down piece by piece.
1. "Because Swap Magic costs less and doesn't involve any of the hassel getting a mod chip does"
less cost yes, less hassle no. Like i said you get the system premodded so there is no hassle.
2. "Some of us just want a quick and easy way to play backups"
Quick and easy? You mean like a chip where you just stick in a back up and it loads like an original disc. without swapping, having to rebuild the ISO, not having any screen cut off with games from other regions, a built in cheat device so no need to get AR Max discs and so on?
3. "I don't care enough to get a mod chip or a HDD"
Just because you do not want to get the most out of your console do not knock people who do.
4. "My PS2 is just a box gathering dust, not the focus of my life"
Boo-Hoo, if you don't use it then sell it. It is surely not the focus of my life, but it is good stress release after a hard days work.
5. "if you have the money to be buying chips and the HDD, why aren't you BUYING the games?"
And lastly, as stated above. If you download all your games that's just fine and dandy but don't assume that it is what everyone does.
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axmad
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3. August 2006 @ 15:20 |
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lol nice one steimy. u meant it when u said piece by piece.
tokijin
exaclty they are illegal but not taken so seriously. infact PAYPAL doesn't send money to anything/one involving a modchip. installers in the UK have to other methods.
a man was lately sued for installing 40 modchips.
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3. August 2006 @ 16:00 |
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I got swap magic because I dont know how to solder very well (which ruled out installing a modchip on my own) and $40 for swap magic was cheaper than $220 for a modded console. Swap magic was a cheaper, easier solution for me.
Here is the kicker though, because of swap magic and the problems that plage the v9/v10 consoles my PS2's LA chip fried due to high voltage from my laser trying too hard to read my backups (and yes I use good media, Sony/Panasonic/Fujifilm DVDs made by Taiyo Yuden and MCC Verbs)but I didn't know I had to do a Romeo mod to stablize my PS2 laser's voltage.
Now a "cheaper, easier solution" has led me to a broken PS2. I'm taking Steimy's advice now and plopping down $220 for a premod DSM4 PS2 console. I'm putting a large capacity hard drive in it and backing up all of my favorite games so that I can bypass using my laser forever.
EDIT: The reason HDadvance still isn't a better solution is because it still rely's on the laser to read the HDadvance CD/DVD to boot from the Hard drive. What will you do when your laser fries (and yes, it will fry, PS2 lasers aren't meant to last sadly) and you have all of your games stored on your PS2 with now way to play them? You'll have to do some searching for an old fat PS2 to replace your previous PS2 with the bum laser. Do yourself a favor now and put down some extra money to have a chip installed. You will realise what you are missing out on when you have no system at all like me.
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3. August 2006 @ 17:07 |
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nice thing with me is that if my laser does fry, then i allready have a backup fat ps2. the old one started acting up so i just bought a new one to replace it, and found it a while back and woundered if it was still a piece of crap, and it worked perfectly. or i will just buy one off ebay. also i dont play ps2 much now anyways since i got my 360.
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3. August 2006 @ 20:02 |
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Sorry to bust your bubble dude..but I have HD Loader and it dont work with all games. Its the same thing as what you have. Mine is an older copy, but still.....I have had several games that wouldnt copy.
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3. August 2006 @ 20:44 |
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I'm happy with my swap magic, I like rebuilding the games and I like swaping out the disc's, makes me feel like I'm somehow beating the system. My way of thanking sony for their root kit injecting CD's.
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3. August 2006 @ 23:20 |
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Yeah I'm familiar with PayPal's modchip rules lol.
@Josewah I think that's a very good decision. You can load elfs right off the chip with ToxicOS in devoultion, and with the built in HD Loader, you can load ToxicOS HD Loader right out of the box. ToxicOS HD Loader is from the same coder who did the original, however it's got better compatibility and is updated more often. So you get a fantastic backup solution which involves zero discs, case mods, and is more compatible and updated more often than HDLoader. Very nice.
@Swap Magic users It's understandable that some people like to rebuild games. I do myself to a degree. Owning a modded Xbox and a PS2, it's more to backup Xbox games, a bit of a challenge at times. Lately, I've had a devil of a time getting Lunar the Silver Star Story to boot on my PS2. It's a compatibility issue with the MI, or a crappy image. It loads on PCSXbox fine, so I've spent a considerable amount of time toying with it because Lunar is a great game, and it's fun, I like the challenge.
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4. August 2006 @ 02:30 |
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For me it's simply a case of that I got swap magic when I first started modding about 18 months ago because it was cheap and easy to do.. plus with the whole cracking down on modchips thing that was going on here in the UK at the time I thought it wasn't worth the risk to get a modchip.
Now, around 250-300 backups later I am still pretty happy with swap magic.. I've only ever had 1 or 2 games that I couldn't back up.. and it doesn't bother me to have to rebuild the occassional game and swap discs.
Sure I'd have a modded one of I could justify the expense or got one given to me :D
But I'd rather spend the money on a PS3 or get a modded Xbox now, as I already have a way of playing my backed-up games on PS2.
For someone new to modding, I'd advise getting the modchip option, it's now cheaper than it used to be to get a modchip fitted, and a bit cheaper for the actual modchips too.. so yes it is worth it if you haven't already got a mod, or maybe if you play a lot of games in a day or have problems with rebuilding etc.
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