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DVD Burner Write Speed
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Haomaru
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14. September 2006 @ 17:49 |
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I have a problem with my burner, its a 16x burner, yet when i am burning with a 16x Blank DVD, i only get the option to burn at 8x or 4x, and when i use Nero info tool it shows write speed at 8x or 4x, is there something to enable 16x, if so any help would be appreciated, the burner i am using is a HL-DT-ST DVD RAM GSA-4160B, i have the latest firmware A306.
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unolord
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14. September 2006 @ 18:16 |
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Just an FYI but burning at 8x is the norm and the safest route for 16x media...
What type of media r u using? I used to have that drive and I think it can only write max 8x for -r and 16x for +r. No booktyping for +r so I never used that type of media in it.
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Haomaru
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14. September 2006 @ 18:18 |
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What do u mean no booktyping, and its -R i am using not + R
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unolord
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14. September 2006 @ 18:30 |
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Booktyping/bitsetting is a way to trick a stand alone dvd player into thinking the +r disc is a dvd-rom which is the format for all store bought dvds. Increases compatiblity. The 4160B doesn't give u that option except I think for DL +Rs.
I checked cdrlabs.com and the 4160B burns -R discs at a max of 8x which means unless you're using high quality brands like TY you should only burn at your -R discs at 4x.
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Haomaru
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15. September 2006 @ 02:41 |
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Ok thanks Unolord, i wanted to know something else i have tried many media with my lg and they are not compatible with my burner, sometimes i get burn failed in like 35 seconds, i have done a lot of testing and the media i have no problem so far with are -R TDK 16x and Memorex DVDS, do u get alot of burn failed from DVD -R blanks as well and can u recommend the best media to use for this LG burner since we both have the same burner, thanks.
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unolord
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15. September 2006 @ 09:16 |
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I don't use that drive anymore and I never used TDK or Memorex - u should never buy either one really - but Ritek/Ridata and Verbatims worked fine. If u can get Tayo Yuden or Sony/Maxell which say Made In Japan then you'll be fine too. Stick with -R and only burn @ 8x if the top speed of the media is 16x otherwise burn at 4x and you should have no problems.
But def stay away from TDK and Memorex. They're both low quality dvds.
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Haomaru
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15. September 2006 @ 11:45 |
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OK respect unlord
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JoeRyan
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19. September 2006 @ 07:44 |
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Haomaru-
If you have never had trouble with TDK or Memorex DVDs, then the claim that they are low quality does not apply to you. These discs and other media are often less compatible with drives and are, therefore, accused of being poor quality rather than being less compatible. But if they work with your drive, they are compatible with that drive and pose no problems.
In the case of your GSA-4160B drive, it is rated at 16X. That means the diode can handle the extra power and the motors can handle the speed. Since DVD-R discs only work at 8X in that drive, they will still fall below the tolerance of the diode and the spindle motor and should work very well at 8X. Cautions to record discs at half the rated speed of a drive is more a function of the drive limits than limits of the medium. Recording discs at 8X on a 16X drive is easier on the diode (it will last longer) and slightly easier on the motor. It will typically yield better recordings, but dropping even slower may actually cause the disc to be "overburned" in the sense that too much power might be applied if the firmware has not been carefully tuned for high-speed discs at slower speeds.
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Haomaru
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19. September 2006 @ 08:07 |
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Ok thanks alot for the reply Joe, cause i have no problems with those discs, once i burn at half speed, do u use the same burner though, and if so tell me which media works best wit ur drive.
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JoeRyan
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19. September 2006 @ 12:17 |
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I have 98 drives/recorders, including 3 Blu-ray drives; but I don't have the GSA-4160B. I do know that particular drive had some limitations with its compatibility, but LG has been very good lately in keeping firmware up to date. I have the GSA-4040B, 4082B, and the H10N; and all give excellent recordings at 4X or 8X. LG tends to slow down recording speeds on discs not in its memory table, but the drives do a good job with the slower default speeds, unlike many other drives. Compatibility is good with the discs you have been using, with Ritek, and, of course, with Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim, and Maxell.
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Haomaru
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19. September 2006 @ 12:23 |
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Ok thanks again, i realize the compatability with this burner, but i think its good it works best at 4X though, and once burnt, u have no problems, thanks bro, keep in contact.
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21. September 2006 @ 08:23 |
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I have 98 drives/recorders
Just curious, but why?
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21. September 2006 @ 10:54 |
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JoeRyan, Your knowledge on these matters astounds me. Keep it up.
Also, you have 98 drives? You've got some explaining to do lol.
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JoeRyan
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22. September 2006 @ 05:23 |
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Testing, testing, testing. Lots of research, writing, industry meetings, and consulting in optical, magnetic, and flash storage. Holographics and electron spinning are the next frontiers, but the physicists are still doing most of the work there and the engineers have to wait. It's great if you can turn a hobby into a job! (But my wife keeps asking me when I go over 12 hours/day at it, "What is is it now--work or fun?" She doesn't complain if I lie and tell her, "Work." It's usually both!)
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Haomaru
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24. September 2006 @ 05:52 |
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Hi again Joe, i was wondering if u could give me some solution since u know so much about LG Drives y at times i get burn failed in less than a minute, and the strange thing is if i am burning like 10 dvds like 7-8 of them will burn fine, while 2-3 i always get burned failed i mean i am burning at 4x on a 16x _R DVD so i have no idea what the problem is, here is the log, thanks in advance.
4C80-serial number removed
Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 11/2/2004 12:54:32 PM
NT-SPTI used
Nero Version: 7.0.8.2
Internal Version: 7, 0, 8, 2
Recorder: <HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B>Version: A306 - HA 1 TA 0 - 7.0.8.2
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
CD-ROM: <LITE-ON DVD SOHD-16P9S >Version: FS09 - HA 1 TA 1 - 7.0.8.2
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : ST3120022A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : ST3120213A atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON DVD SOHD-16P9S atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : NN4653H WXG251Y 2.0B vaxscsi Port 2 ID 0 DMA: Off
=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B E: CDRom0
LITE-ON DVD SOHD-16P9S F: CDRom1
NN4653H WXG251Y G: CDRom2
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AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 1535MB (1572336kB)
Free physical memory: 959MB (982536kB)
Memory in use : 37 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
24.9.2006
UDF/ISO compilation
8:42:56 AM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
DVD-Video files reallocation started
8:42:56 AM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)
8:42:56 AM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6423
UDF document burn settings
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Determine maximum speed : FALSE
Simulate : FALSE
Write : TRUE
Finalize CD : TRUE
Multisession : FALSE
Burning mode : DAO
Mode : 1
UDF Mode : UDF/ISO bridge
UDF Options : automatic
UDF Revision : 1.02
UDF Partition Type : physical
ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
Character set : ISO 9660
Joliet : FALSE
Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE
Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE
8:42:56 AM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
DVD-Video files sorted
8:42:56 AM #5 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 531
ReadBuffer-Pipe got 81920KB of Memory
8:42:56 AM #6 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 124
Reader running
8:42:56 AM #7 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 113
Writer E: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B running
8:42:56 AM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3312
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
8:42:56 AM #9 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3312
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
8:42:56 AM #10 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3353
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
8:42:57 AM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 289
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written: 1935135 (430:01.60, 3779MB)
8:42:57 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 301
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
8:42:57 AM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2715
Recorder: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: TTH02 -
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193
8:42:57 AM #14 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 473
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
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8:42:57 AM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 847
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 1935136 (1935136) = #1935136/430:1.61
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 1935136 blocks [E: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B]
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8:42:57 AM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1059
Prepare recorder [E: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
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MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 3963158528, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
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__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
1935136 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
8:42:57 AM #17 Text 0 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 39
SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FCTL_LOCK_VOLUME
8:42:57 AM #18 Text 0 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 84
SPTIDismountVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_DISMOUNT_VOLUME
8:42:57 AM #19 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
Caching of files started
8:42:57 AM #20 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4187
Cache writing successful.
8:42:57 AM #21 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
Caching of files completed
8:42:57 AM #22 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
Burn process started at 4x (5,540 KB/s)
8:42:57 AM #23 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2707
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
8:42:57 AM #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2760
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode
8:42:57 AM #25 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2916
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
8:42:57 AM #26 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8661
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 2.0x (5), Extended Part Version: 2.1 (33)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26127F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 2FE10 h
Start sector number of the next Border-In: 2FFA0 h
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 60 00 10 20 30 40 50 - 00 00 00 21 00 00 00 00 .`...0@P...!....
00 02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
8:43:05 AM #27 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1211
08:43:05.281 - E: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B : Queue again later
8:43:27 AM #28 SPTI -1039 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 290
E: CdRom0: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1039)
Sense Key: 0x04 (KEY_HARDWARE_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x09
Sense Qual: 0x01
CDB Data: 0x2A 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 20 00 00 00
Sense Area: 0x70 00 04 00 00 00 00 10 32 34 00 0C 09 01
Buffer x054b0000: Len x10000
0x00 00 01 BA 44 00 36 ED B5 55 01 89 C3 F8 00 00
0x01 E0 07 EC 80 00 00 2D 18 2E DB 81 4D FB 64 93
0xAF C8 E0 02 D0 05 1F 02 1F F5 80 3A 04 9F F4 01
8:43:27 AM #29 CDR -1039 File Writer.cpp, Line 302
Focus or tracking error
E: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B
8:43:27 AM #30 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
all writers idle, stopping conversion
8:43:27 AM #31 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 222
conversion idle, stopping reader
8:43:27 AM #32 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3156
EndDAO: Last written address was 1023
8:43:27 AM #33 CDR -1039 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 167
Focus or tracking error
E: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B
8:43:27 AM #34 TRANSFER -24 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 167
Could not perform end of Disc-at-once
8:43:27 AM #35 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
Burn process failed at 4x (5,540 KB/s)
Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=3.00.11B, size=46080 bytes, created 5/16/2006 3:23:54 PM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
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Haomaru
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24. September 2006 @ 05:56 |
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And one other thing Joe, is there any particualr settings in Nero i should enable when burning, cause i use the default settings, and with the same burning problem above, as i said i get burn failed in less than a minute, then once i put in a next DVD after i get burn failed, it burns perfectly fine, but no matter what i always get a few burn failed during burning processes.
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24. September 2006 @ 06:03 |
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serial number removed from logfile.
A306 is indeed the latest firmware, but it's now 2 years old. The disc you're using in this logfile is recognised however
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Haomaru
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24. September 2006 @ 06:39 |
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So what do u suggest creaky ?
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24. September 2006 @ 07:16 |
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i personally see too many problems with TTH02 discs, i'd try some better discs, and try 8x ones (can't see anything wrong in the Nero log).
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Haomaru
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24. September 2006 @ 08:17 |
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Ok Kool
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Haomaru
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24. September 2006 @ 11:47 |
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Once u can plz. reply to my questions, Joe
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JoeRyan
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25. September 2006 @ 05:40 |
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Haomaru,
Are you using printable discs? Everything looks OK with the GSA-4160B up until it loses focus. Make sure Nero is up to date, too. The drive will determine the default settings and pass them onto Nero, but Nero has to work with both the drive and the medium. Nero is already up to 7.5.1.1., and the early versions of Nero 7 were notably buggy. In fact, your version may require removal before installing version 7.5.1.1. because some of the bugs were in the updating system. Just don't lose your license number. If you don't have it on your original disc, look it up in Nero 7.0.8.2 before uninstalling the older version, and write it down so that you can enable 7.5.1.1 after installing this latest version.
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Haomaru
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25. September 2006 @ 05:59 |
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Ok thanks i'll try that
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Haomaru
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25. September 2006 @ 09:27 |
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What do u mean by printable discs ?
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JoeRyan
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26. September 2006 @ 06:33 |
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Printable discs come in three varieties: thermal, ink-jet, and photo-reactive. Thermal discs have a smooth coating on them (usually white) that allows a special printer with a waxy ribbon to deposit a single color on the surface. These printers are quite expensive. Ink-jet printable discs have a coating that absorbs water so that even some inexpensive printers from Epson can print multi-color images on the discs. Ink-jet printable discs are typically white or silver on top. Imation and Taiyo Yuden have both developed new ink-jet coatings that prevent water from altering the inks after printing, the biggest problem for ink-jet images. Photo reactive coatings such as LightScribe use the same laser diode in the drive to draw a mono-color image on the surface of the disc.
In all of these cases, the coatings have to be stable so that curing does not cause any shrinkage of the disc that pulls the edges up. This can cause problems with DVDs having the outer edge out of focus from the reading laser beam. Paper labels do the same thing, but they are usually more damaging than poor printable coatings. A particularly poor disc will be so out of focus that even the recording laser will fail toward the end of the disc.
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