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The (new) Official PC building thread!
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21. June 2007 @ 19:35 |
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Wow, that makes me feel stupid, but I could have sworn that last time I looked I didn't see it. Also I was at Bestbuy one day and asked them if they had it, and they said it wasn't produced anymore. I guess thats where I went wrong though.
Thanks for the link.
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21. June 2007 @ 19:43 |
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Originally posted by Spenman91:
Wow, that makes me feel stupid, but I could have sworn that last time I looked I didn't see it.
NOW who here can say that they've thought that before? hehehe. Raise your hands, please. :P
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NO problems Spenman, we've all been there. I think you can find something but not real sure on that. Some of those are updates and such, be sure to read everything and make sure you get what you need. ;)
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21. June 2007 @ 19:49 |
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I'll have to wait a week or 2 to buy it since I just got this laptop and that kind of took all my money for a while. But when I do I'll be ready. I've got all the drivers and utilities on a disk already, so now all I need is XP.
I hope I can suffer through Vista another week.
Thanks for the help everyone.
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21. June 2007 @ 21:09 |
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here's another highly recommended place to buy XP
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21. June 2007 @ 21:12 |
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I'll keep that in mind, thanks. But which would you recommend, Newegg or Zipzoomfly. I've bought things from Neweeg, but I've never herd of Zipzoomfly.
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21. June 2007 @ 21:15 |
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both have a very good reputation. I've ordered from both, mostly newegg. same price for the same product but if you will notice zipzoomfly has free shipping. in this case I would go with zipzoomfly.
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21. June 2007 @ 21:20 |
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Yea, I saw that. That would be enough for me to buy from them.
But I have a question actually concerning "PC Building". I bought PCI slot fan a while back for my 7950 GT. And I was wondering if they usually help, or if the one that I got just sucks. Because the only decrease in heat I've noticed is about -3 C?
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21. June 2007 @ 21:26 |
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doesn't your 7950 gt have a fan on it? I didn't think you could buy a 7950 gt without a fan.
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21. June 2007 @ 21:31 |
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No, sorry I made than unclear. The 7950 GT has a fan but I didn't like my card running at 95 C on a full load so I bought the fan listed below to help cool it off. But it doesn't seem to help alot so I was just wondering if I should get a different kind of fan, or if that one just sucks.
But going by what I've read lately it's not uncommon for cards like that to get that hot. I've herd that the ATI X1900 runs at those temps normally.
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21. June 2007 @ 21:43 |
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you can buy aftermarket fans to replace the oem fan on the card. a couple companys that make aftermarket performance replacement fans is zalman and arctic cooling. there is also some software (free) that will let you overclock your graphics card as well as control the fan speed on the card. for nvidia: riva tuner or ATI Tool. for ATI: ATI Tool. you can google for these.
I use ATI tool with my X850XT. I have my fan speed set up dynamically based on GPU temp and it stays around 50C under no load and as it is loaded up the fan speed increases per my settings. I'm not a gamer but very rarely has it been over 70C.
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21. June 2007 @ 23:39 |
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I almost bought an aftermarket fan from Zalman. It was at a computer store and they wanted $50 for it. I didn't know if that was a good price or not at the time, so I didn't get it. I already have NTune from Nvida to overclock my GPU but when I did I had to crank the fan on it up to keep it cool. The card came pre overclocked so I couldn't really do alot with it since it was stock cooled. I didn't notice much a performance increase and the new fan speed made my computer a lot louder, so I took it back down. However it might be something to do if I upgrade the fan on my GPU. The Ntune program seemed to have alot of useful features but I didn't have a supported motherboard for most of them so I couldn't do much with it. And with it being a stock HP bored it was locked so I couldn't change anything anyway.
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22. June 2007 @ 06:47 |
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OKAY i decided to just forget the laptop and go with a desktop, how does this computer fair against world of warcraft and such?
AMD Athlon? 64 X2 Dual-Core 3600+
Genuine Windows Vista? Home Basic
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2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz- 2DIMMs
160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache?
48X CD-RW/ DVD Combo Drive
128MB ATI Radeon X1300
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
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22. June 2007 @ 07:47 |
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It's a lot better than the laptop. But what brand is it, or are you going to build it? The only reason I wondered is because if it is a built computer you could get XP which I highly recommend over vista. But if it is a factory computer than you have no choice unless you just buy a copy and install it. The the thing I wondered about was the graphics card. I know that card will play World of Warcraft. But I would get a better one, especially if he is going to play other games. If it is a custom built computer that is. If you are configuring it from Dell or somewhere and that is your only option, yes it should play World of Warfraft fairly well. If you are configuring this one from a company, how much are they overcharging you for that card, and what are your other options. I have a friend that I installed a X1300 for. And his computer now plays World of Warcraft fine, well I don't know about fine because he lags quite a bit but I think that is caused by not having enough ram. His main specs are......
I don't know his exact specs but main things, and it is a Dell.
Pentium 4 @ 2.4 GHz
512 MB ram. But not quite that because some was used up for onboard graphics adapter, and sound.
Nvida 950 graphics adapter.
For the most part I think he could play World of warcraft then. But he said it lagged a lot and had already bought that card and wanted me to install it. Personally I think the more ram would have helped him more than anything. But after he installed the card I don't think he saw much of an increase in performance. I suppose he might have if he would have had 1 gig of ram already. Then again I'm really not sure since I don't play World of Warcraft, and have never owned anything even similar to a X1300, besides installing his so he could (play World of Warcraft).
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22. June 2007 @ 09:14 |
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X1300s are slow and not even very cheap. For powerful graphics on a limited budget you want something like a 7600GT.
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22. June 2007 @ 09:17 |
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Thats what I was going to recommend. But I didn't know if it was an option or not since I didn't know if he was building it or weather he was configuring it from a company. I didn't think the X1300 was a very good card, but I didn't want to say anything because I wasn't fully sure since I've never owned one and don't know a lot about ATI cards.
@sammorris,(or anyone), here is my question from another thread that I figured I should continue here.
"So do you guys think it would be worth trying to just rebuild my current computer in a few months when I get some money. Or should I just leave that one and start over."
My current specs are:
HP Pavilion m7580n
AMD Athlon 4600+ X2
Nvidia 7950 GT
2 gigs ram (stock)
standard motherboard that came with it
2 Seagate 320 GB 7200 RPM Sata
standard HP DVD Writer
TV Tuner
Thermaltake Purepower W0100RU ATX 12V 2.0 500W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CUL, TUV, FCC, and CB certification
I know those aren't exact specs, but I will post a link when I find (it's in m bookmarks somewhere) with exact specs of everything.
I know you all will need a budget and everything but I will post that later with the link, and some parts I was looking into.
Edit: here is the link to pretty much all of the specs of my computer.
http://www.geardigest.com/2006/09/11/hp_m7580n/
Here are some of the parts I am looking at. I don't know a lot about ram so I didn't pick any out yet. And I don't know much about motherboards either. But I picked those two out from what knowledge of them I do have. I will accept and recommendations for motherboards, ram, or any other parts you all recommend.
CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003
GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082
Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681112902
Motherboard -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813141002
Or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130082
I think my budget should be a wide range between $500 - $700. I don't know if I can use any of my old parts or not, but you all can look at the geardigest link and see if any of my current parts are worth anything.
Thanks.
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22. June 2007 @ 10:52 |
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Originally posted by Spenman91:
It's a lot better than the laptop. But what brand is it, or are you going to build it? The only reason I wondered is because if it is a built computer you could get XP which I highly recommend over vista. But if it is a factory computer than you have no choice unless you just buy a copy and install it. The the thing I wondered about was the graphics card. I know that card will play World of Warcraft. But I would get a better one, especially if he is going to play other games. If it is a custom built computer that is. If you are configuring it from Dell or somewhere and that is your only option, yes it should play World of Warfraft fairly well. If you are configuring this one from a company, how much are they overcharging you for that card, and what are your other options. I have a friend that I installed a X1300 for. And his computer now plays World of Warcraft fine, well I don't know about fine because he lags quite a bit but I think that is caused by not having enough ram. His main specs are......
I don't know his exact specs but main things, and it is a Dell.
Pentium 4 @ 2.4 GHz
512 MB ram. But not quite that because some was used up for onboard graphics adapter, and sound.
Nvida 950 graphics adapter.
For the most part I think he could play World of warcraft then. But he said it lagged a lot and had already bought that card and wanted me to install it. Personally I think the more ram would have helped him more than anything. But after he installed the card I don't think he saw much of an increase in performance. I suppose he might have if he would have had 1 gig of ram already. Then again I'm really not sure since I don't play World of Warcraft, and have never owned anything even similar to a X1300, besides installing his so he could (play World of Warcraft).
It is a Dell and i dont have a choice other than that card. I cant really order from any other company since my parents wont let me for reasons unknown. If it can handle wow at decent speeds and stuff itl be great. As i said hes used to a 256 ram comp.
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22. June 2007 @ 11:19 |
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It will work. But I would highly recommend a 7600 GT over it, and their pretty cheap. Even though you can't get one with your computer, could you not just leave off the graphics card and get something integrated, and then buy the card separately and install it. But I mean if you can't do that then I'd say it will work alright. I have another friend that plays World of Warcraft and his specs are pretty good except for the graphics card, and his doesn't lag at all.
Pentium 4 @ 3.4 GHz
1 gig of ram
Integrated Nvidia 950 Graphics Adapter
Once again I don't know what his specs are exactly but those are some of the main ones, and he runs World of Warcraft with basically no lag, and I think his settings are up pretty high.
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22. June 2007 @ 13:53 |
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To be fair, if he can't order from anyone but Dell, I doubt the option of self-installing a graphics card is available. I can't say I know what the requirements of Wow are, but it'll certainly be pretty poor at any recent games.
Spenman91, your PC is pretty fast already, a cheap Core 2 Duo upgrade and you're done. Upgrade the graphics at your leisure.
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22. June 2007 @ 14:08 |
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Yea, I didn't think about that. So I guess he's pretty much screwed. But at least it's something, actually he should notice a pretty big jump from a computer of 2003.
But as for me, I want a Core 2 Duo but I will at least need a new motherboard since the one I have is AMD. And with a new motherboard I didn't know if I would need a new case or not.
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22. June 2007 @ 14:28 |
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You almost certainly won't need a new case, but new motherboard is necessary, and if you currently use DDR1, new RAM too.
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22. June 2007 @ 14:31 |
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Nope, it's DDR2, everything is pretty much up to date except the processor which still isn't that bad. But I had just heard some things about some ram being faster than other ram. Obviously DDR2 is going to be faster than DDR1, but I didn't know if there were other things to look for when buying ram or not.
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22. June 2007 @ 14:40 |
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just like with DDR, DDR2 obviously is available in different speeds and cas latency's. I wouldn't recommend anything less than DDR2 PC2 6400C4 with a C2D.
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22. June 2007 @ 15:10 |
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I doubt the option of self-installing a graphics card is available
There is room for at least a 7600 in even the tightest Dell cases.
I've upgraded a few friends of mine when they were too afraid to build one themselves. When you get into bigger cards like 7900's is where the problems lie.
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22. June 2007 @ 15:42 |
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I don't think he meant it like that (I could be wrong). But I think he was stating that if his family would only let them buy computers from one brand that they wouldn't like him opening it up and messing with it.
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22. June 2007 @ 18:00 |
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Lol that's exactly what I meant.
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