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1. July 2007 @ 04:13 |
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With PCs it really comes down to the oldest dilemma in the book, the more you pay the faster it is. At the very least I'm not about to screw you over, as for some others I can't day, but generally you're safe here at afterdawn.
Components for computers are designed in a specific 'technology group' usually involving what they plug into. Motherboards for example, among other things are sold by socket type, how many pins a CPU has. The latest (and best) Core 2 Duo design CPUs only fit in Socket 775 motherboards, then you have to check whether the boards are new enough to support them, most are, but not all. Clearly if a motherboard came out before the processor you chose, it may not instantly recognise it.
All the best graphics cards use PCI express 16x now, this is a simple one, unless you buy a very outdated motherboard, that's what you'll get. The only other compatibility issue with graphics is to make sure you've got a big enough power supply, and if you go for the monstrous 8800GTX or 8800 Ultra (the most powerful graphics cards about for gamers so far), that the case you buy is big enough. Looking through reviews should tell you that.
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1. July 2007 @ 04:48 |
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Originally posted by Jinkazuya:
$1000 Without monitor.
$1500 Without monitor.
$2000 Without monitor.
I have three requests...Would you mind explaining what the advantages of each of the above are such as what I have if I buy all parts that cost $1000? what is the advantage if $2000 and $1500 and so on. I hope you guys don't play trick otherwise I will be in a fix.
Thanks for giving us some sort of budget to work off of. :) I don't know what the 3 different tiers are about but I'm sure we can accommodate. Like Sam said we aren't out to screw you or anyone for that matter and with the "budgets" you gave us you can get a NICE puter out of the deal. :D
@Lp531,
GOOD to see you buddy. Hope everything is going well for you. How's the back? PM me if necessary so we don't "hijack" the thread. LOL.
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1. July 2007 @ 05:23 |
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1. July 2007 @ 07:22 |
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1. July 2007 @ 08:11 |
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Originally posted by Jinkazuya:
$1000 Without monitor.
$1500 Without monitor.
$2000 Without monitor.
I have three requests...Would you mind explaining what the advantages of each of the above are such as what I have if I buy all parts that cost $1000? what is the advantage if $2000 and $1500 and so on. I hope you guys don't play trick otherwise I will be in a fix.
-the difference between thoes price ranges are things like
-more RAM
-dual graphics cards
-faster processor
-better PSU
with 2000 you could get a quad core
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1. July 2007 @ 09:11 |
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In actual fact, me and Russ' Power supplies are as good as each other, and the one I put in the $2000 system is a lower wattage. it's just our personal preferences. NEVER adjust your PSU based on your budget, always go with the best regardless. We all know what happens if you don't.
Graphics, CPU, Memory and how lavish your case is are the things I adjust based on cost. I never usually go above a 500GB standard hard disk unless requests say so.
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Jinkazuya
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1. July 2007 @ 09:24 |
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Thanks for you guys' advice and suggestion. But I am just wondering..."Isn't the higher the Ghz, the better the performance?" Because I browsed through google and saw some great Intel or AMD dual core CPU with Ghz up to 3.2, the price of which is less than $500. What do you guys think? I know the CPU sam gave me can be overclocked. But I know nothing about overclocking. I am just some sort of movie editor and graphic designer and I have to run several applications at the same time. For example, if you burn something with Nero. Basically, you won't be able to do anything at the time until Nero is finished with its job. This is no good and is time-wasting. Each movie is to be burned about 3 hours by using Nero. Besides, that I wanna run Lite Vista, the vista ultimate.
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1. July 2007 @ 10:25 |
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Core 2 duo CPUs will let Nero run faster than you can believe possible. I'm pretty sure you don't mean 3 hours to burn, but 3 hours to encode.
Quad cores shine in this area. I use the QX6700 Quad for my DVD and video work and it's unbelievably fast with any kind of encoding. But looking at the task manager Performance graphs, a quad core will only use two of the cores for most Nero applications. However, if you use Nero Recode "Digital", say you are converting DVD files etc to play on an Ipod, then you get all four cores of the Quad core processor working.
Nothing is faster than the Core 2 Quad for this. Your 3 hours will probably end up at around 30 minutes or less. That's what it takes me to convert an entire DVD with Nero Vision Express.
Even a program like DVD Shrink will let you analyse in 1 minute or less, encode in 8 to 10 minutes and then an 8X burn for about 7-8 minutes so you can copy a DVD in less than 30 minutes.
Vista is very pretty but for the near term I'd stick with XP when using Nero. I suppose they (Nero) are getting the bugs worked out but at this point I'd say wait awhile. I think the point here is to include the price of the OS in with the build. OS choice is your of course.
As far as overclocking goes, these C2D processors have lots of headroom temperature wise and can be safely overclocked without hurting anything. The heatsinks specified will keep a reasonable overclock well within the heat limitations for the cpu. In fact these heatsinks are so good that a lightly overclocked cpu will run cooler than an un-overclocked CPU with the stock Intel heatsink.
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Jinkazuya
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1. July 2007 @ 12:19 |
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Are you serious Fasfrank? It is one of the best CPU sold in the market? I want the lightscribe burner and plus other stuff. I have been looking for a case but some of them, glowing with lights, are what I want the most. But I am just afraid that there aren't many airflows. What is OS by the way?
Anyway, I still don't get it? How do you guys know which parts fit perfectly to the others? You guys seem pretty amazing. That's what I wanna learn so that I won't have to bother other people and then I could make my final decision to build my dream PC.
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1. July 2007 @ 12:39 |
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How do you guys know which parts fit perfectly to the others?
A good step to understanding is to click on the link to the motherboard suggested by fasfrank and sammorris.
Once on that page you can click on the tab that says "specifications" next to the overview and customer review tabs. That gives all the details of what goes in it. Notice the CPU details, also memory needs and how many and what type of expansion slots (AGP,PCI, PCI-E) does it have or not have depending on your wants. Onboard video or will you have to buy a card? These are the basics, if there are specific questions keep asking! BTW---OS = Operating System (Windows XP, Vista, Apple, Linux)
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Jinkazuya
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1. July 2007 @ 12:48 |
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Oh man! I feel like heaven having you guys helping me to understand the basic stuff of computers. Anyway...What is this socket thing:
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CPU Socket Type: LGA 775
FSB: 1066/800/533MHz
Supported CPU Technologies: Hyper-Threading Technology
Anyway, there are a lot and I can't list them all. I have browsed through the page of sam quadcore. I really like it but there are bunches of stuff I really don't understand. If someone would be willing to spend the time explaining step by step, that would be awesome.
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1. July 2007 @ 13:20 |
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different motherboards have different type of sockets for the cpu's. for example the Core 2 duo CPU's uses a LGA 775 socket. they have 939 sockets and so on but if you are going with the Core 2 duo the socket LGA 775 is the one that you would use.
here's a link about cpu sockets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_socket
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1. July 2007 @ 13:24 |
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With that CPU data you posted, you could type that into NewEgg's search function and have it spit out many options of CPU's to put in the motherboard. The details listed specific memory types it accepts. It listed the type of interfaces for your hard drives and DVD burners.
Just take some time to look at the requirements, once you understand what its looking for you'll start to see options.
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1. July 2007 @ 14:15 |
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A long long time ago, and until recently a commonyl held misconception is that more mhz = more speed. It doesn't. A 1.8Ghz Core 2 Duo outperforms a 2.0Ghz Athlon X2, and outperforms a 3.4Ghz Pentium 4. It's down to the architecture type (for which Core 2s are best) and the number of cores.
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1. July 2007 @ 15:43 |
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Jinkazuya..With a little common sense go to NEWEGG look at the spec sheet on any motherboard..Get familiar with Socket SATA IDE PCI FRONT SIDE BUS Mghrz Gigabyte..On Board sound On Board Video etc
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Jinkazuya
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1. July 2007 @ 19:42 |
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As I read through the description of the products of the processor. I see something like processor type: Destop, which is what sam suggested and other processor type: Server. My question is what the heck of the server type is?
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1. July 2007 @ 19:42 |
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Jinkazuya
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1. July 2007 @ 21:02 |
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Forget about the budget. Just keep the focus point on one of the perfect and unbeatable own-built PC, a unique PC that nobody has ever had in the world. I just wanna see what is would be like. I think after I get two jobs, which are all well-paid, I am willing to spend $5000 and stay home for like a couple months and save the money for the computer. My original thoughts would be the one that could beat Bill Gate's ass computer since he has all the security in his damn PC. Again what I want is one of the most unbeatable PC in the world. According to other stuff I have found, though expensive, is much better or outperform some of the stuff you guys suggested as the budget is concerned that I listed earlier. Would you please help...I really wanna know what the most unbeatable or perfect PC in the world. Sounds kinda stupid, doesn't it?
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1. July 2007 @ 21:16 |
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Originally posted by Jinkazuya:
Forget about the budget. Just keep the focus point on one of the perfect and unbeatable own-built PC, a unique PC that nobody has ever had in the world. I just wanna see what is would be like. I think after I get two jobs, which are all well-paid, I am willing to spend $5000 and stay home for like a couple months and save the money for the computer. My original thoughts would be the one that could beat Bill Gate's ass computer since he has all the security in his damn PC. Again what I want is one of the most unbeatable PC in the world. According to other stuff I have found, though expensive, is much better or outperform some of the stuff you guys suggested as the budget is concerned that I listed earlier. Would you please help...I really wanna know what the most unbeatable or perfect PC in the world. Sounds kinda stupid, doesn't it?
You pulling our chain or what buddy? This takes time to look up and it's not easy if you go to different online retailers like LP531 or Mort81 and the other gurus out there. :) I normally stay with one retailer but lately I've been venturing out there and finding the best deal for the dollar no matter the location or retailer. $5 bucks here and there count to us POOR people. ;)
If you really want something OUT OF THIS WORLD there is only a handful of "members" that can assist you AND I'm NOT one of them. GOOD luck to you and may you build a PC only we can dream of. :D
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1. July 2007 @ 21:19 |
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Sounds kinda stupid, doesn't it?
Well haha, no offense but I mean really if it were me, I would spend enough on the actual PC to get basically the best. And then I would spend what I was going to originally spend on the PC itself, on stupid stuff to go with it. Like a few incredibly large monitors, a really nice audio system (not one in a box), but separate components so that you get the most out of the best sound card you buy. Then I would spend quite a bit on games on software, and accessories, keyboard, mouse, that kind of stuff. But thats just me. I don't think you'll see much of an increase in proformance going from the best, to overboard (if that makes since). I mean we can all agree that you can get a PC that will run pretty much anything you want it to (excluding crysis) without going out and buying, $700 case for example. But thats just my suggestion.
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Jinkazuya
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1. July 2007 @ 21:21 |
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My dream PC is that it could run three OS at the same time with three monitors separated. For instance, I wanna install the Chinese window XP Pro, the Original window Xp Pro as well as the Japanese Window XP pro. If possible, a Linux OS. Besides that, I wanna encode or convert a movie in three to one minute. I can open several applications at the same time, running window Vista ultimate like a breeze. The process of the computer being turned on less than 5 seconds. Internet speed increases as well as BT or other stuff. Awesome graphic on the PC screen and so forth. That is why I am looking for the best out of the best regardless of the budget. I know that you will get what you pay for. That's why I don't really mind the budget. All I want is the most uptodate PC with something that outperform the others.
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1. July 2007 @ 21:33 |
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Your obviously either, lying, rich, insane, maybe all three. Why in the world would you want to run foreign language versions of XP? Thats ridiculous.
But I'll tell you what. If you really want I'll find the fastest I can find for now, then in a few months you can throw another 50 grand out the window on a computer that will play Crysis and Supreme Commander at the same time, on max settings at 7680x4320, while burning a DVD.
But for now this is the best I can do, because I'm too lazy and sarcastic to look up on newegg...........
http://www.alienware.com/configurator_pa...ode=SKU-DEFAULT
Ok, get atleast 4 of those (more if you like).
Edit: Be sure to check every option you can, if you do it right it will equal aroud $16,000. It may not be the best but it was easy to find.
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1. July 2007 @ 21:37 |
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Jinkazuya,
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My dream PC is that it could run three OS at the same time with three monitors separated. For instance, I wanna install the Chinese window XP Pro, the Original window Xp Pro as well as the Japanese Window XP pro. If possible, a Linux OS. Besides that, I wanna encode or convert a movie in three to one minute. I can open several applications at the same time, running window Vista ultimate like a breeze. The process of the computer being turned on less than 5 seconds. Internet speed increases as well as BT or other stuff. Awesome graphic on the PC screen and so forth. That is why I am looking for the best out of the best regardless of the budget. I know that you will get what you pay for. That's why I don't really mind the budget. All I want is the most uptodate PC with something that outperform the others.
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1. July 2007 @ 21:38 |
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Yeah, maybe then he can just buy a computer company.
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1. July 2007 @ 21:44 |
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Sounds kinda stupid, doesn't it?
Sounds like you answered your own question...Thanks for pulling everyones chain...and wasting my time...
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