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crowy
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1. July 2007 @ 22:01 |
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Originally posted by Spenman91:
Yeah, maybe then he can just buy a computer company.
Problem is,
he wouldn't know what to do with all the bits!!..ROFL!!!
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Jinkazuya
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1. July 2007 @ 22:21 |
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It seems like I am a bit too much. I find it funny myself too. Anyway, sorry for any disconvenience and cause you guys lots of trouble. I have already made up my mind and made my final decision...I will stick with what Sam gave me before I asked anything else. but and then the other guy gave me another option: Lp531. I do not know which option is better. Besides that, I am really willing to spend at least $3000. But as for $5000 it is kinda exaggerated.
Crowy is right...I don't know anything about self-built computer like which components that will fit the others. There are lots of terminologies which I don't understand. The thing is you can down payment with the credit card in the USA. Basically, I could pay $500 - $700 per month for the money I owe to the company for example, Frys. I really want the best PC out there. BTW, the reason why I chose to install two or three windows is because I am now learning two other different languages, in USA, at least you have to learn one additional foreign language before you graduate in high school or college. I need those window for the sake of convenience of learning a new language a bit quicker. if that is what trouble you guys, I really apologize for what I asked.
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1. July 2007 @ 22:43 |
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Originally posted by Jinkazuya:
It seems like I am a bit too much. I find it funny myself too. Anyway, sorry for any disconvenience and cause you guys lots of trouble. I have already made up my mind and made my final decision...I will stick with what Sam gave me before I asked anything else. but and then the other guy gave me another option: Lp531. I do not know which option is better. Besides that, I am really willing to spend at least $3000. But as for $5000 it is kinda exaggerated.
............... I need those window for the sake of convenience of learning a new language a bit quicker. if that is what trouble you guys, I really apologize for what I asked.
I don't see it as a problem Jink but you added and changed your mind a few times and really there isn't an END ALL BE ALL computer. Does that make some sense? We all want the best for now and don't want the other guy to beat us but that's NOT possible. Ask BidDK or docTY, those guys are cutting edge for builders and they are always adding and making their systems better. If I remember right they both have $3000 plus in their systems and have added since the last time I saw them post or say they are doing more. :P
The biggest thing is to set the budget at a $$$$ (dollar) figure and let these guys (even me) try to get you something that will fit your needs for now. What you asked at one point is almost not attainable with normal amounts of money. ;) As you've said here $3000 seems like enough. (paraphrased) I wish someone would let me spend that amount of cash and see what the little grass grower comes up with. :P
Anyway good luck and I hope you have fun with whatever you choose. :D
.....gm
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Jinkazuya
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1. July 2007 @ 23:08 |
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Why alienware is so damn expensive...much more expensive than regular self-built computer while the functions are just the same. The final purpose of mine is to have as many memories as possible for storage.
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Jinkazuya
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2. July 2007 @ 00:39 |
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115011. What do you guys think of this one. Sam already gave me the better deal but anyway, since most of the work I focus on is some sort of like Adobe Premier, gaming simulation and graphic art. I think this one would be suitable. I you keep you guys posted for my help. I hope you guys would keep helping me since I am just like a baby born in just a day of a computer world. The info of the CPU isn't good as it doesn't provide much information as to what components go with which.
BTW, what is SERVER.....This is what I see when I browse through the CPU section. This is what it is
64 bit Support: Yes
FSB: 1066MHz
Hyper-Threading Support: No
L1 Cache: 64KB+64KB
L2 Cache: 2 x 4MB
Manufacturing Tech: 65 nm
Multi-Core: Quad-Core
Processors Type: Server
Series: Core 2 Extreme
Virtualization Technology Support: Yes
Model #: BX80562QX6700
Item #: N82E16819115011
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2. July 2007 @ 04:41 |
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This should be all you need for the puter you're looking to build. The performance leap from this CPU to the next level is not worth the extra $500 IMO. ;)
link to Q6600 Intel CPU
NEXT question?
....gm
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2. July 2007 @ 08:49 |
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LP, your build's high spec, but the cost of RAM is wrong (it's $320 or more), and it uses loads of different stores, which adds to confusion along with lots of delivery charges. Sticking to one retailer like I did would be better.
As for Jinkazuya, I'm a bit disappointed that your budgets have suddenly changed, but fortunately those differences are easy to accommodate. Add an extra 8800GTX to run SLi mode, upgrade to the EVGA 680i board, and buy a big case, such as the Coolermaster Stacker lp posted, and get 4 or 6 500GB Samsung drives.
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2. July 2007 @ 08:49 |
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Jinkazuya, sorry about my previous post. I assumed you were either not serious, or had enough money to spend on a $20,000 PC.
With $3,000 you can get an amazing computer. I could actually spend alot more than that just on accessories (especially monitors).
But when you started naming off things you wanted to do with it, like encode a movie in 3 seconds, haha that seemed a little excessive. But the language thing is more understandable.
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Jinkazuya
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2. July 2007 @ 09:32 |
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Well, what is the difference between the intel normal quadcore and the intel quadcore extreme? The extreme is $400 more than the normal quadcore. I have been reading and trying to understand the terms of computer online. But this gives me the confusion. Motherboard, mainboard are just the same, which I already know, but what about Printed Circuit board. It just looks like the motherboard, what is the difference?
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2. July 2007 @ 09:44 |
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It looks like the only differences are clock speed, and that the normal quad core has 4 X 2 MB cache, but the extreme has 4 MB shared (which doesn't make since to me) it looks like it would be the other way around. I could be wrong though.
From what it looks like, depending on how well the Q6600 overclocks, you could just get it and overclock it to a speed near that of the QX6800.
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2. July 2007 @ 09:52 |
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about as high as the Q6600 will OC is 3.4ghz even with water cooling. still faster and a lot cheaper than the QX6800.
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Jinkazuya
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2. July 2007 @ 09:52 |
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I have got a few questions to ask from LP. You said you could get a 3 1x250GB for OS. What about if I want 1TG for OS and 2TG for storage. What should I do?
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2. July 2007 @ 10:49 |
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1TB OS drive? What for? However, not to question you, but you could either:
2x 500GB OS
4x 500GB Data
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1x 1000GB OS
4x 500GB Data
or if you're very rich,
1x 1000GB OS
2x 1000GB Data
bearing in mind a 1000GB drive is significantly more expensive than two 500GBs, due to the newer tech involved.
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2. July 2007 @ 10:50 |
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Jink,
I think you're trying to understand too much too soon. LOL.
I would go with 2 WD 150 GB Raptors in Raid for my OS. All you're gonna run is the OS and maybe a few loaded games from the "OS" drives. ;)
NOW on the other hand you can add like 6 HDD's with 400, 500, 750, or even higher capacities for your "storage" drives. This of course depends on the case you get and what kind of cooling you decide to go with. With all of this plus a HIGH end GPU you're gonna need something that will cool very well. (Case and Fans that is) If you over-clock the CPU to any extreme you're gonna need water cooling. Some more things to look into.
Like Mort81 said and I have too, the Q6600 WILL DO WHAT YOU NEED!!! Especially if you mildly over-clock the thing. :P
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2. July 2007 @ 10:54 |
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The Q6600 is the CPU I'd go with too, with a CNPS9700, you can pull off a good overclock, even if small compared to the Duos.
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Guyza
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2. July 2007 @ 11:35 |
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Hi All,
Due to Intel dropping their prices on 22nd July 2007 (which couldnt come sooner) im going to build myself a new computer. What i was hoping to get out of you guys is some suggestions. My thinking on a chip was that im going to either go for Q6600 or the new E6850 (i think thats what they call it they are that many its the one with 1333mhz FSB) one thing is decided on and that the graphics card 8800GTX. Right my budget is going to be £800 - £1000 (Thank God for a credit card!) obviously the cheaper the better! What would be your suggestions on CPU and maybe motherboard or any other advice you can give me! I need this to last me a couple of years like my current one does and still run games as good! Or maybe you may advise me on AMD rather than Intel! Im currently with AMD right now! Any suggestions? and thanks!
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2. July 2007 @ 18:05 |
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2. July 2007 @ 18:08 |
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Originally posted by Jinkazuya:
Well, what is the difference between the intel normal quadcore and the intel quadcore extreme? The extreme is $400 more than the normal quadcore. I have been reading and trying to understand the terms of computer online. But this gives me the confusion. Motherboard, mainboard are just the same, which I already know, but what about Printed Circuit board. It just looks like the motherboard, what is the difference?
a printed cercuit board (pcb) is just what they put all the parts on, it is used for motherboards, graphics cards, usb cards and many other things,
if you have 5000 to spend you can build a crazy computer, I would say thats a little over the top, but I will give you a list of parts in my next post
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Jinkazuya
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2. July 2007 @ 19:38 |
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That would be awesome. Thanks Mike...I will hear more from you. Sam's suggestion is good but Lp's is awesome...But I am not really sure about you Mike. The deal that Lp gave me has made me changed my mine. It could be an awesome computer. I would run window Vista or the hack of window vista version which my friend has already modified. Or Xp vista transformation. I really wanna run two window? Any thoughts and help?
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Neverhap
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2. July 2007 @ 20:15 |
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Originally posted by Jinkazuya:
That would be awesome. Thanks Mike...I will hear more from you. Sam's suggestion is good but Lp's is awesome...But I am not really sure about you Mike. The deal that Lp gave me has made me changed my mine. It could be an awesome computer. I would run window Vista or the hack of window vista version which my friend has already modified. Or Xp vista transformation. I really wanna run two window? Any thoughts and help?
If I am reading correctly you could be in big trouble here at aD???
Piracy is not a laughing matter, particularly at this forum (aD).
If I am wrong, please rephrase, and I apologize now.
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Jinkazuya
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2. July 2007 @ 20:26 |
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no I mean like I have bought a window vista ultimate and then I will have my friend modify it after the installation. I am not really sure about the privacy and copyright. But as I own it and buy the original one, it will not considered be illegal.
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3. July 2007 @ 07:36 |
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Sam's suggestion is good but Lp's is awesome...
So what are you basing that on? It's a marginally better PC I'd agree, but it will set you back far more than $2000 (the links provided bring up prices in excess of those quoted). Of course, now I know that's not an issue but I didn't before.
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6spdSER
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3. July 2007 @ 09:06 |
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If Jink is using his PC for Premier, Gaming Simulation, and Graphic art...why not point him in the direction of a workstation/server class setup. Something in the line of 2 - Clovertown E5310 (of course faster ones could be used), and a Supermicro MBX-X7DAL-E-O motherboard as the backbone.
Another thought is if Jink is using this machine for work, perhaps 2 - 500GB in RAID-0 config for the OS(es) and 4 - 500+GB HDD in RAID-5 mode for storage? I'm uncertain as to how critical his data is to him, but if this is what he does for a living, then it should be well worth the expense. If it's purely for personal home use (not for work) then what everyone has suggested is more than enough.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 3. July 2007 @ 10:03
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Jinkazuya
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3. July 2007 @ 10:12 |
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I know I have given you guys lots of troubles. But as I stated, I will be using the PC as part of my work. I am a graphic art designer and video editor, also part of video game stimulation. I really need a fast and better graphic computer. This will last for a couple years before my PC is out-dated. Without a fast and perfect graphical computer, lots of things cannot be done. That's why I keep changing my mind about graphic and speed. Hence, I know $2000 would not be enough, which is why I would say something spending $3000 or $5000...
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6spdSER
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3. July 2007 @ 11:28 |
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@ Jink
I apologize for using some terminology that you may or may not understand. So let me explain. The processor that I suggested, the Intel XEON E5310, are Quad cores (4 processors in one). So building a system with two of these processors would give you 8 cores. I choose the Supermicro motherboard based on the companies reputation, and not from personal use. However, the motherboard does support the 2 processors and also has a PCIe x16 slot. As for the Hard drive configurations... RAID-0 is when 2 or more drives are setup to function as one, where data is separated into pieces and written to the "x" amount of drives (this increases the overall performance of reading and writing data, as well as system performance.) <--it is a bit more complex than this but I hope this helps you out. RAID-1 is drive mirroring what is being written to drive A is also being written to drive B...so essentially you can think of it as a real time backup of drive A. RAID-5 is sort of like a combination of both RAID-0 and 1, it requires 4 drives where 3 drives are written to for speed, but at the same time they are backing each other up. Thus if any one of the drive should fail, the system will automatically rebuild the failed drive using the forth drive, which functions as "hot spare".
Goolge RAID 0, 1, 0+1, and 5 to learn more about it.
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