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eirvine
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15. November 2007 @ 04:13 |
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ive decided on this rig here, but the price is brutal, over 2k. wont be till after christmas that i can start buying components. All prices are from NCIX.com.
Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case 900 ATX 9 Drive Bay No PS Top USB2.0 1394 Audio
-117.02
BFG GeForce 8800GT OC2 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDCP HDTV Out DIRECTX10 Video Card
-299.99
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P ATX LGA775 Conroe P35 DDR2 2PCI-E16 Crossfire SATA RAID Sound GBLAN Motherboard
-191.23
OCZ GameXStream 600W ATX12V 24PIN SLI Ready Active PFC ATX Power Supply 120MM Fan Black
-129.59
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Dual Core Processor LGA775 Conroe 2.66GHZ 1333FSB 4MB Retail
-227.36
OCZ Platinum XTC PC2-6400 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-800 CL5-4-4-15 DDR2 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit
-199.99
Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB 8.9MS Hard Drive 3 Year MFR Warranty
x2
-159.89
Ideazon Zboard Gaming Keyboard with Gaming Keyset USB
-59.49
Samsung SyncMaster 226BW 22IN Widescreen LCD Monitor Black 1680X1050 3000:1 2MS VGA DVI-D HDCP
-329.99
Logitech MX518 GAMING-GRADE Optical Mouse 1600-DPI USB SILVER-BLACK
-57.79
Samsung SH-S203B Black SATA DVD+RW 20X8X16 DVD-RW 20X6X16 DL 18X/12X INT DVD Writer OEM W/ Vista SW
-39.75
Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-FI Xtreme Gamer 24BIT Sound Card 7.1 PCI Retail Box Bilingual
-105.78
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro LGA775 2500RPM 45CFM
-26.12
Verbatim 4X DVD+R 4.7GB Jewel Case 5 Pack
-0.00
Total = 1943.99
(before tax/shipping/insurance...)
updated the price with 4 gigs of ram and that cpu fan abhuzar found and now its a little more reasonable. still, almost 2k sucks...
added the 8800gt after realizing i had no graphics card selected.
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15. November 2007 @ 06:19 |
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15. November 2007 @ 10:08 |
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8 gigs of RAM? What could you possibly need that much for?
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15. November 2007 @ 14:53 |
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abuzar1
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Anyone know what happened?..
No need for 8 gigs of ram...windows 32 bit can only use 3gigs...
NCIX's prices seem awful high...
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15. November 2007 @ 14:55 |
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Is that not in Canadian dollars?
As for ABuzar, I've no idea...
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15. November 2007 @ 15:04 |
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@sam
Ops...that explains it...I was just wondering why the prices just did not look right to me...
Off to Hanford...I have a 5 shows in 7 days...Going to be a long week..:)
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15. November 2007 @ 15:06 |
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Hehe, enjoy! (As best you can, anyway...)
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15. November 2007 @ 15:10 |
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eirvine,
what are you going to use for desktop speakers?
Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435 |
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15. November 2007 @ 15:12 |
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I always enjoy my self at shows...its what I live for..:)
Not really a country music fan but it should be a good show...I will collect another Autograph for the Guitar...and the show is Sold-Out...so it will be a good payday...
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eirvine
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15. November 2007 @ 21:48 |
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good call abhuzar.
vista can only use 3 gigs of ram? thats weak...
Prices are all in CAD. But considering CAD is now higher than USD, if you cna find a retailed with better prices from the US that would ship to canada, id go through them.
As for speakers, ill probably use headphones most of the time, so i didnt include any.
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eirvine
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15. November 2007 @ 22:04 |
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Also, should i go quad core? its about 75 bucks more, and how well would a quad core overclock?
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15. November 2007 @ 22:07 |
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Not as well as a dual core. The ceiling for air cooled Core 2 Duos can be as much as 4Ghz with the right chip and revision. With the quads, it's barely above 3Ghz. My advice to you is to only get a quad core if you can regularly make use of the extra cores. Otherwise it may be worth waiting until the intelligent quad cores come out, that can actually use as many threads as they like for single-threaded applications.
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eirvine
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15. November 2007 @ 22:09 |
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good to know. i dont think i would use the extra cores that often, as this is going to be used for 90% gaming. thanks sam.
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15. November 2007 @ 22:24 |
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I'm still here, something is messed up with my account though. It keeps on suspending me, but I changed my password and it seems fine now.
As for the Quad-Core thing, only some programs use all four cores, and if you happen to use those programs your processing time will be cut nearly in half. Although you mentioned 90% gaming and most games don't utilize all four cores so the higher clock speeds coming form the duos might actually give better performance.
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15. November 2007 @ 22:54 |
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To put it into perspective I run the entry level E4300 core 2 duo, there are at least 11 models above mine in the series, and yet I've overclocked mine to be faster than you can overclock any quad core CPU on air. You've got to really want those extra cores. As I say, future Quad cores will be able to make use of all 4 regardless of what program you're running, but that's the future, not now. Best advice I can give you is to get a board that supports both types, and upgrade to a quad as/when necessary. It's what I've done...
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eirvine
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15. November 2007 @ 23:25 |
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well the board i got priced out in my list is the GA-P35-DS3P, which can run the core 2 duo as well as the core 2 quad. hopefully this rig will last a couple years.
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15. November 2007 @ 23:49 |
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With any luck... :)
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16. November 2007 @ 04:01 |
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hummm, I'm thinking about upgrading maybe spring vvvv
CPU
mobo
memory
videocard
everything else i have should be fine
Antec Nine Hundred Mid-Tower Gaming Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB Socket 939/ Seagate160GB Barracuda Sata/ Westeren Digital Raptor 150 GB Sata/NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2,1 GB of GDDR3 Memory / CORSAIR XMS 2GB DDR SDRAM (PC 3500)/AMD Opteron 185 Dual Core CPU OC(ed) to 2.87 GHz/Zalman CNPS-9500 LED Cooler/3-Plextor PX-810 SA Sata Drives/View Sonic-VX2245wm 22" Widescreen 1680x1050 res. 5ms Respone Time
so taking ideas guys!!
Antec 1200 Full-Tower Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 Mobo/Western Digital Black WD500 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache/NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express Video Card/CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 16GB DDR3 /Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)/CORSAIR Hydro High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler/3-Asus DRW-24B1ST Sata Drives/Samsung 2493HM 24" LCD Monitior 1920x1200 resolution,5ms respone time/OS Windows 10 Pro SP1 64-bit
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schpoogle
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16. November 2007 @ 12:02 |
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Thanks for the help you guys gave me. I had to put off getting my cpu and mbd while I was out of town. I missed a great deal on the e4500 cpu at microcenter for $99, and didn't realize Intel cpu's do not generally go on sale, so I'd be waiting a long while before seeing that again.
Anyway, in comparing e4500's at different vendors, I notice a difference. I'll restate their descriptions, and I'd like to know if anyone thinks there is any relevent difference. Price is virtually the same.
ClubIT describes it as: Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 M0 Stepping Conroe 2.2GHz 2MB L2 LGA 775 Processor Retail BX80557E4500 SLA95
NewEgg describes it as: Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 Allendale 2.2GHz LGA 775 65W Processor Model BX80557E4500 - Retail
I had read that Conroe's that had half their cache disabled are larger and might run hotter than Allendale's. Any truth to this? And any idea why one would mention "MO Stepping" when I assume they both have MO Stepping? And might some retailers just call a Conroe with a 2mb cache an Allendale anyway (I always thought the e4xxx series were all Allendales)?
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16. November 2007 @ 12:07 |
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Long story short, the proper Intel core 2 duos (E6600, 6700, 6800, 6850) are Conroe CPUs. The Lower end ones of the original market (6300, 6400) were listed as Allendales. They are in fact Conroe CPUs, essentially they are the same CPU but with half their cache disabled. For interest, they now make full 4MB cache versions of those CPUs called the 6320 and 6420.
The 4000 series (4300, 4400, 4500) are Allendales from top to bottom. They were never made to have any more than 2MB cache.
I've no idea about the heat level, but suffice to say with a good heatsink, you can overclock any of them ridiculously far without getting heating issues.
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16. November 2007 @ 13:19 |
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16. November 2007 @ 14:50 |
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16. November 2007 @ 14:52 |
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Lol a six dollar difference. Every penny counts! :P
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schpoogle
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16. November 2007 @ 15:14 |
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Thanks sammorris,
I did call ClubIT, and the guy in tech support was persistent in telling me it was a Conroe. Doesn't exactly give me a feeling of confidence. Since the box numbers are the same, my guess is they're identical. I wish they'd simplify the naming conventions, though.
Not as bad as the sales rep at Dell, who I called recently for a friend. I asked what motherboard they used in a particular pc and he said either Intel or AMD. That was the one part of the pc he knew the least about. When he came back from talking to tech, he corrected himself, but still couldn't tell me how many SATA and ATA connections it had. Of course, I recommended that my friend avoid Dell. (Duh!)
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16. November 2007 @ 15:22 |
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To be honest you're doing Dell a little dis-service there. Their PCs are well built, but as you say, their tech support isn't up to the scratch that most users require. It doesn't help that all their stuff is proprietary, so they're the only people you can ask.
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