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8. December 2007 @ 03:35 |
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The stock cooler will come with a really inefficient paste...that you are better off not using...most good after market coolers will come with a good...silver based compound...
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8. December 2007 @ 03:44 |
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alright thanks. I might as well spend that relatively small amount for some of that arctic stuff I guess.
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8. December 2007 @ 04:12 |
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8. December 2007 @ 06:58 |
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the stock HSF and TP are fine. infact they are more than adequent for no overclocking.
hell, even for Ocing, you can get an E2180 to 3+GHz and it will be stable with othros and prime95 for a long time, and will remain cool. maybe that is just the E21X0 series, btu it is a good HSF, not for Q6X00, but other than that it is a good HSf, or it wouldnot be supplied.
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8. December 2007 @ 06:59 |
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aswell as AS5, i would also recomend MX1 TP, the one that is used on the superbly cheap and good Acrtic Cooler pro 7.
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8. December 2007 @ 07:41 |
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Originally posted by jtan189:
i'm confused. just to clarify, if I were to get a cpu, and i don't plan on buying an aftermarket hsf, and only plan on using the stock cpu fan that comes with the cpu, I still need to buy thermal compound?
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8. December 2007 @ 07:49 |
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Originally posted by He_Man:
Originally posted by jtan189:
i'm confused. just to clarify, if I were to get a cpu, and i don't plan on buying an aftermarket hsf, and only plan on using the stock cpu fan that comes with the cpu, I still need to buy thermal compound?
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the HSF that intel provide already has TP ont he bottom of the HSF. you will not need extra TP
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8. December 2007 @ 08:03 |
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Wouldn't it be wiser to clean it off and stick some Arctic Silver 5 on?
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8. December 2007 @ 08:07 |
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Most people out for performance do. If OC'ing is in mind it is recommended. If it is just a regular build, its not absolutely necessary but will still drop your temps a few C° and cooler is better.
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8. December 2007 @ 08:08 |
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Originally posted by He_Man:
Wouldn't it be wiser to clean it off and stick some Arctic Silver 5 on?
I always take the their TP off, mainly because they do not apply it properly....they just goob it on, and too much TP defeats the purpose.
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8. December 2007 @ 08:09 |
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not always. as i have said, the intel stock TP if fine. millions of computers around the world, are using it w.o any glitch. most PC makers, eg dell, packard bell, HP, all use the intel stock HSF and TP, unless they make an extreme system.
YES, if he was OCing, it would be better, but as he is not, what is the point for the hassle?
and AS5, can, if you cannot properly apply TP, be conductive, so could take out his CPU/mobo. if he does want to us some TP, use creme, or a non metal bases one.
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8. December 2007 @ 08:35 |
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Originally posted by REAM:
not always. as i have said, the intel stock TP if fine. millions of computers around the world, are using it w.o any glitch. most PC makers, eg dell, packard bell, HP, all use the intel stock HSF and TP, unless they make an extreme system.
YES, if he was OCing, it would be better, but as he is not, what is the point for the hassle?
But millions of people do not know any better. Taking off their TP and applying AS5 will guarantee lower your temps. Lower temps will prolong the life of components.
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8. December 2007 @ 09:08 |
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He_Man: Believe it or not there are only a handful of companies that make PSUs, most of them are outsourced. OCZ units are all made by FSP. Corsair and PC Power & cooling units are made by Seasonic, Antec units are made by Channelwell. Ultra units have been made by various companies (none of them very good, I have to say)
Lp: I believe the safety valve probably will be killed off, it fits the swift change of aD's no BS policy. Whilst it's useful for keeping cretinous behaviour out of the forums, barring all conversation not slightly related to the website's purpose seems a little brash. Unfortunately, that's the path aD's been following for a long time.
Greensman: The VX 550W is essentially Corsair's budget model power supply. It's not modular and uses a single-rail design, but for reasons unknown it uses one of the useless plastic fan-baffles inside, which means under reasonable load it will be as loud as the best of power supplies. Unfortunate really since the HX series is one of the quietest PSUs you can buy.
Abuzar: Which DVD drive did you buy?
Jtan: You need thermal compound between an aftermarket heatsink and the CPU. The CPU cooler that comes with the CPU will have a pre-applied thermal pad on it. If you then change to an aftermarket cooler, you will need to remove the remnants of said thermal pad. You will need a CPU cooler of some kind though, don't just expect to go without!
I disagree with Lp's sentiment about the stock pad. It suffices for most users. It is, however, far better to use proper thermal grease if you can.
You can remove thermal pads using alcohol-based cleaners. I used window&glass cleaner to great effect. Of course if you're serious you could buy some ArctiClean stuff I suppose.
As for me though, you will do fine sticking to the pre-applied pad if you don't want the hassle, they cool perfectly well enough, and never raise your CPU temp to the point where its lifespan will drop.
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8. December 2007 @ 09:20 |
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Originally posted by Neverhap:
But millions of people do not know any better. Taking off their TP and applying AS5 will guarantee lower your temps. Lower temps will prolong the life of components.
and nor do they need to know better. it is not liek anyone will keep a PSU for more than 5 years. nearly all CPUs are rated to run ALOT longer than this when on the Intel reference HSF and thermal paste.
yes AS5 will lower the temps, i did not deny that, but for a computer where no intensive work will be done, its not liek the temps will be high in the first place. just becuase we are enthusiats that will not be happy untill everything is custiom, doesnt mean reference, avergae joe, parts are crap. infact they are good.
the average joe (aka millions of people world wide) upgrade computers once every 3-5 years. so there will be nothing wrong with the Intel HSF and TP for that time period. if there was a problem, most PC retailers would never sell their computers with the Intel HSF and TP.
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8. December 2007 @ 09:25 |
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For reference, after "upgrading" my stock heatsink for an old Athlon XP 3000+ to an Arctic cooling one, which came with thermal grease, my temperatures actually went up. I had to get some better thermal grease to get my temps back to how they were. Stick with the stock cooler unless you're overclocking, seriously.
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8. December 2007 @ 09:32 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
For reference, after "upgrading" my stock heatsink for an old Athlon XP 3000+ to an Arctic cooling one, which came with thermal grease, my temperatures actually went up. I had to get some better thermal grease to get my temps back to how they were. Stick with the stock cooler unless you're overclocking, seriously.
how quickly did you check the temps. it needs quite a bit of hours for any TP to "settle" in.
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8. December 2007 @ 09:36 |
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Believe it or not, they were about equal to start with. I used it for several months, and as time progressed the temps got higher and higher. By the time they reached 78C at load, I decided to call it quits and do something about it. When i removed the heatsink, the application of the paste they provided looked perfect, so I've no idea what happened. When I put coolermaster paste on, the load temps instantly dropped back to about 55C.
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8. December 2007 @ 10:11 |
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Let me just clear this up for my own sake.
For the overclocker, it's better to get something "more powerful" to cool the cpu such as a zalman or whatever.
For the average pc builder(such as myself) or even someone buying a pc from a shop, the stock intel cooler i get with the processor will be sufficient.
Are there any programs to check CPU temp?
Or for that matter, GPU etc?
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8. December 2007 @ 10:34 |
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Originally posted by He_Man:
Let me just clear this up for my own sake.
For the overclocker, it's better to get something "more powerful" to cool the cpu such as a zalman or whatever.
For the average pc builder(such as myself) or even someone buying a pc from a shop, the stock intel cooler i get with the processor will be sufficient.
Are there any programs to check CPU temp?
Or for that matter, GPU etc?
Which mobo do you have? Sometimes they include a monitoring progie in the software. ;)
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8. December 2007 @ 10:42 |
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For the average pc builder(such as myself) or even someone buying a pc from a shop, the stock intel cooler i get with the processor will be sufficient.
yes but almost all aftermarket performance cpu hsf's will cool better and cooler is always better and will extend the life of the component. you can buy a much better than oem hsf for only $20 - $25 (artic freezer 7) so why not and it's there in the event that you want to OC to some degree at a later date.
I always use AS5 as opposed to the oem thermal pad even on oem hsf's for 2 reasons: 1) AS5 cools better, even if only a couple of degrees C 2) the oem thermal pad sticks to the cpu and when you try to remove the hsf it usually pulls the cpu out of the socket which is even worse on socket 478 cpu's because it usually damages/bends some pins.
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Or for that matter, GPU etc?
there are several. I like everest ultimate edition. some others are sis sandra and pc wizard. most mobo's come with a utility on their driver cd-rom too (asus probe).
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8. December 2007 @ 11:15 |
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I used speedfan, seems nice and easy. Got these reuslts on my old p4 machine after startup.
Edit - after like 5 mins each of these temps went up 2-3 degrees.
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8. December 2007 @ 11:52 |
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He_Man: That's correct. As for measuring CPU temps, Speedfan and Hmonitor will check the temps of your CPU, Motherboard chipset and Hard drives. You can use programs like ntune or ATITool to check your graphics card temps. These programs are all free. If you want something more comprehensive, you can use everest, which is a paid-license program.
Mort81: I'm sorry I can't agree with that statement. Whilst keeping microprocessors cool could potentially extend their lifetime, as long as they are not exposed to temperatures outside their normal operating range, their lifetime will anything between 15 and 20 years, plenty long enough for anyone's CPU. If an overheating problem was occurring then yes, a better cooler would be wise, but stock coolers nowadays are good enough to be perfectly acceptable. I think it's unnecessary to ask people to spend extra money when it's unnecessary.
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8. December 2007 @ 12:34 |
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sam,
whatever. to each their own. I've got a closet full of oem cpu hsf's I'll give ya all I ask is that you at least scrape off the oem TP and use some AS5. then again I've got to remember that you're the guy that prefers quiet over cool.
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8. December 2007 @ 12:53 |
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8. December 2007 @ 13:17 |
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Mort I've got a bunch of them too! I wonder how many orphaned Intel heatsinks are sitting around on shelves. Too bad we can't come up with another use for them.
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But millions of people do not know any better. Taking off their TP and applying AS5 will guarantee lower your temps. Lower temps will prolong the life of components.
If folks want to lower their temps they should just keep the cooler clean. Almost every PC I work on has a cooler packed full of dirt.
Would an aftermarket cooler really make the typical web surfing, e-mail sending PC last longer?
Most of the millions of PC owners won't have the same PC 5 years from now, many should not even be allowed to open the case.
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