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10. January 2008 @ 17:19 |
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sammorris,
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I seem to remember you saying you had a 60mm fan at 3000rpm to keep your chipset cool, is that right? The 40mm fan on my server's GPU (since removed) was 4400rpm. High, but it was a tiny fan. Nonetheless that bugged the hell out of me and had to be removed.
I have a 40mm 6 cfm Silenx blowing down into the heatsink!
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As for the anechoic chamber, I know it's proper test apparatus, but 26.3dB at 1600rpm? I'm not sure how that machine's calibrated but from what I remember hearing, 30dB was a whisper. You have to talk at normal volume to be able to hear over the din the FM121 makes at 1600. Don't get me wrong, it pushes a lot of air, but it's not quiet, nowhere near it. It's barely any quieter than my Thunderblade.
I'll tell you what! There's over $25,000 of equipment hooked to this thing and the guy that does the testing is so good he can look at the readings on the digital scope and tell you what's wrong! It's also calibrated daily at 7 AM, when he is the only person in the building and no machinery is running! Actually 30dBA is far from a whisper! Even in a quiet room at 2 AM in the country it would be difficult to get below about 18 dBA. normal ambient sound levels around these parts is about 31-46 dBA, except during rush hour where it's as high as 41-52 dBA!
We both know that Aluminum cases have different sound characteristics than steel. I firmly believe that the harder steel cases do better because it's more ridged than Aluminum! You've heard my sound bytes, so you know that my computer is reasonably quite, given the amount of airflow. I couldn't sleep in the room with the computer on when I had just the one Thunderblade installed! With both Silverstones, it's not dead silent like yours is for sure, but it doesn't disturb my sleep either. I also don't need a huge, heavy $60 CPU cooler to keep my temps low. A large portion of the noise it does make once you are 5' or more from the computer is the airflow! I'm going to take a hard look at the case mods they performed at the office and I may well cut the case grilles out and install wire guards instead. The hard part will be the side air vent as it's rectangular.
BTW! Here is a study from Glendora CA on sound levels. Not too hard to figure that the majority of the noise is the freeways, which are now being walled in to cut down the noise! LOL!!
http://shatteredpeace.com/noise_base_level.htm
Loud SOB, ain't it! LOL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
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10. January 2008 @ 17:33 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Most external hard drives, would you believe.
Yep that's the way one of my SATA drives is hooked up out at work. A back up drive that is removable. ;) Rhino or something like that....NOT in front of me right now....
I'm n00bish here but we were talking about a fresh install of XP on an internal drive on a 320GB drive to be exact. :D I think that NTFS offers more for the computer user than FAT32 in this case. right or wrong? Like I said....I'm n00bish here. ;P
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10. January 2008 @ 17:36 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by bigwill68:
Lets make this simple..Thanks CincyRob 4 stepping in 4 me on this Problem..
he explaned well as possible..
here it is....I split the the hard drive in 2 on the C:\ side..I put the OS. Windows Xp Home edition) now on the d:\ nothing there but Movies now. ok I took the Wd 320gb out put in over in the new system it's a IDE hard drive.I got it on a IDE card that on my pci slot and it only showed 1 side of the drive where the Os Was..so I wiped that side Clean Formated it..completely..It's only showing 137gb's on that Drive now..The Tech over at Micro center..said..I had to put in back in the old system to Deleted that partition off the drive because of the Bio's on the old board only reconize that it is partitioned to 2 drives C,D (that's CRAP, he's full of POOP)....How can i make it a whole 320gb drive again on the new system.i got the E6750, Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R board combo ,2gb ddr2 corsair 800mhz 240pin, cas4.Ii just need some help figuring out this problem..thanks
Will did you get an answer to your problem? I let the other guys look at this for a while and just had to post something about it. lol. I had an epiphany really. :P You said that 320 drive was in your other computer and had an OS installed right?? If that's the case then the NEW build will not see the partition with the OLD OS on it if you're using the 320 for an OS drive. (unless it will let you boot from it...which it may not) If you stick the drive in as a slave what happens? It should be recognized as 320 even with the OS installed as long as your OS is on another drive. Are you confused yet?? lol. I've looked at a few of my friends drives that had a similar problem and my computer saw the partitions just fine but I had them in as SLAVE!! Maybe this will answer some questions. ;)
NOW if you just want Win XP to see the drive as 320 then do as abuzar mentioned. You have to use a install disc with at least SP2 on it!! I guarantee it. lol. Had an issue with that before. Had to "borrow" an install disc with SP2 on it to format the danged drive at the FULL capacity. ;D
hth.....
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the side that he had that was showing was the side he was able to wipe clean(it had the old OS on it) the side that it wasntshowing just had some movies stored on it....
he used killdisc like theonejr mention'd and he now has all 320gb.
he has the version 1.1 of this board i think this might be his problem now. it wont recognise the floppy drive. and is have boot problems....he is over at microcenter now tryng to find out if he can get version 2.1 in replace this version he has now... he might have to deal with gigabyte in itself to get that done.
when im ableto order my board (and i want this board also)is there away i can makesure i get version2.1?
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10. January 2008 @ 17:44 |
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Cutting out the stamped grills...makes all the difference in the world...
I wish all grills...were the wire type...I Hate Stamped fan grills...
Cut them out and you will notice the difference...
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10. January 2008 @ 17:45 |
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cincyrob,
the revision number of the motherboard has nothing to do with the motherboard's ability to see the drives. If he's flashed the bios like most un-knowing people do and then didn't clear it after the flash, lots of things won't work properly! never upgrade the bios unless you have a need that the newer bios revision fulfills! Upgrading the bios just to have the latest revision is not necessary and in most cases not desirable and can cause problems!
Best Regards,
Russ
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10. January 2008 @ 17:49 |
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@theonejr
i dont think he flashed the board at all. we were just reading about the board and alot of people said they had problems wit hthe first version thats all
from what he has told me the only thing he has done in the bios is makesure everything is set where they need be and change his boot order, what boots first( his sata hdd)
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10. January 2008 @ 17:53 |
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Glad he's getting it worked out. ;)
Originally posted by cincyrob:
when im able to order my board (and i want this board also)is there away i can make sure i get version2.1?
btw I was looking at the P35-DS3R NOT P35C-DS3R......I personally don't see the need for having the ability to use DDR3 RAM in the future besides there's only 2 slots and you WILL NOT be able to use both DDR2 and DDR3 at the same time. (from what i read anyway) You or he or me or anyone will be willing to BUILD another system when DDR3 RAM is affordable enough. lol..... ;p
The difference between Ver 1 and 2 from what I've read is ver 1 has the parallel port (for a printer) while ver 2 has more USB "ports". I was gonna say look at the picture at the EGG but they don't have a pic up for some reason. ;)
Went to ZZF and they seem to have ver 1 posted. ;)
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10. January 2008 @ 17:57 |
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cincyrob,
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i dont think he flashed the board at all. we were just reading about the board and alot of people said they had problems wit hthe first version thats all
from what he has told me the only thing he has done in the bios is makesure everything is set where they need be and change his boot order, what boots first( his sata hdd)
I set my boot order to DVD-Rom, Floppy and then Hard drive. Takes about a second longer but I can boot from anything without having to use the boot menu, which I only use for booting from a usb jump drive!
Be warned as far as the GA-P35C-DS3R goes. Revision 2.0 and above does not have a printer port. It is optional and can be purchased separately. I have one on mine for my old scanner. It plugs into a header on the MB!
See what the difference is here!
http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Products/Mot...?ProductID=2642
Best Regards,
Russ
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10. January 2008 @ 18:00 |
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thats what im doing right now GM. the egg has the P35C version 1 shown.
will just got back from microcenter adn they have the version 2.0 over there and they told him to bring the old one back and they will swap it out for him..
you know i never thought about if you can use both ddr2 and ddr3 at the same time so i guess it really dont make sence to get the P35C unless you were going with that mem...
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10. January 2008 @ 18:06 |
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You know that I'm fairly new to this and have my own ideas about stuff. I would solicit Russ for ideas and advice. He's pretty smart even tho he's old enough to be our dad. hehehe. ;P
Like I said I just don't see the need to have a board that will run either DDR2 or DDR3 RAM but NOT both. (Russ am I right here...memory is kinda jumbled...NAM did it to me....lol) jm2c.... ;)
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10. January 2008 @ 18:09 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
memory is kinda jumbled...NAM did it to me....lol) jm2c.... ;)
...gm
Nam huh? what your a month older than me and you were in Nam??????lmao
and no Nam isnt a laughing matter..
i just gotta put in my time and wait till i can get my stuff....lol
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10. January 2008 @ 18:29 |
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You know if you think about it even imagining DDR2 ram running along side DDR3 ram is stupid. Obviously if they are to run at the same time then it would have to run at DDR2 speeds. So then it's just DDR2 ram with extremely high latencies!
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10. January 2008 @ 18:29 |
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greensman,
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btw I was looking at the P35-DS3R NOT P35C-DS3R..
It's the same MB I'm using and I love it! Based on the short experience I had with the Rev. 1.0, I would not buy any unless I could confirm that it's rev. 2.0 or the new 2.1!. With newegg, if you click on the manufacturers product page, the revision that comes up is usually what the product they are selling actually is! The fact that Newegg is in the process of replacing the picture would mean to me that you would get at least Rev. 2.0. which is fine! It's about damn time! I've been bitching to them about it for months! Revision 2.1 has more energy saving features!
He_Man,
Be warned that when you overclock and pass all the tests for stability, that you still may have to lower the overclock a bit when folding. Folding is the ultimate PC test for stability as any error at all will prevent the WU's from completing because the computation has to be 100% accurate for the results to be valid! Folding will show any flaw, where Orthos, Prime95 and OCCT won't!
Best Regards,
Russ
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10. January 2008 @ 18:34 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by bigwill68:
Lets make this simple..Thanks CincyRob 4 stepping in 4 me on this Problem..
he explaned well as possible..
here it is....I split the the hard drive in 2 on the C:\ side..I put the OS. Windows Xp Home edition) now on the d:\ nothing there but Movies now. ok I took the Wd 320gb out put in over in the new system it's a IDE hard drive.I got it on a IDE card that on my pci slot and it only showed 1 side of the drive where the Os Was..so I wiped that side Clean Formated it..completely..It's only showing 137gb's on that Drive now..The Tech over at Micro center..said..I had to put in back in the old system to Deleted that partition off the drive because of the Bio's on the old board only reconize that it is partitioned to 2 drives C,D ..How can i make it a whole 320gb drive again on the new system.i got the E6750, Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R board combo ,2gb ddr2 corsair 800mhz 240pin, cas4.Ii just need some help figuring out this problem..thanks
Will did you get an answer to your problem? I let the other guys look at this for a while and just had to post something about it. lol. I had an epiphany really. :P You said that 320 drive was in your other computer and had an OS installed right?? If that's the case then the NEW build will not see the partition with the OLD OS on it if you're using the 320 for an OS drive. (unless it will let you boot from it...which it may not) If you stick the drive in as a slave what happens? It should be recognized as 320 even with the OS installed as long as your OS is on another drive. Are you confused yet?? lol. I've looked at a few of my friends drives that had a similar problem and my computer saw the partitions just fine but I had them in as SLAVE!! Maybe this will answer some questions. ;)
NOW if you just want Win XP to see the drive as 320 then do as abuzar mentioned. You have to use a install disc with at least SP2 on it!! I guarantee it. lol. Had an issue with that before. Had to "borrow" an install disc with SP2 on it to format the danged drive at the FULL capacity. ;D
hth.....
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@Greensman
The problem is fixed last nite when..I got home with the help of (theonejrs) that program he told me to Download (Kill Disc)..Now the system knows it's there now..I was'nt trying to boot from it it's just a back up drive..I had DVD movies on it..I just wanted to clear the drive completely..I brought a new sata 160gb to put the OS on instead..my new case holds 6 hard drives.you have seen it b4 it's the clear see thru case with the blue led fans front,back & side got it from newegg..I'm returning the board tommorrow having problems with floppy boot..I double the bio's number of times..I got a bad board..It's the GA-P35C-DS3R Version 1.1 people saying they have alot a problems with 1.1 released May of 2007 the 2.0 was released Sept 2007 in the united states..i'm going traded back in 4 the 2.0 and hope this works the 2.1 will be out soon..I think there putting them out 4 months apart..lol
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Thanks for the help that did the trick brother..that program you gave me worked fine..
Done out of Here!
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10. January 2008 @ 18:37 |
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bigwill68,
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Thanks for the help that did the trick brother..that program you gave me worked fine..
Glad it all worked out for you, and your most welcome!
Best Regards,
Russ
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10. January 2008 @ 18:56 |
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Originally posted by Russ:
normal ambient sound levels around these parts is about 31-46 dBA, except during rush hour where it's as high as 41-52 dBA!
So 26dB would be difficult to hear right? Then how come I can easily hear the FM121 at it's 20.8dB speed?
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You are also dead wrong about the Performance/sound ratio of the Scythe! It makes more noise and moves considerably less air than the Silverstones do at 1400 rpm!
Well, all I know is, my ears say different. Since I'm only doing this for the benefit of my ears, that's all I really care about.
Do you think we should sticky the differences between the GA-P35 boards? How many times do we get asked? LOL
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10. January 2008 @ 19:01 |
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Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L:
No raid, heatsink not as good.
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R:
Only has DDR2 support, has better cooling than the L version.
Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R:
Same as the GA-P35-DS3R, except it's more expensive due to completely useless DDR3 support.
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10. January 2008 @ 19:12 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Well, all I know is, my ears say different. Since I'm only doing this for the benefit of my ears, that's all I really care about.
We all know that your ears are the benchmark from which these PC REVIEW testers get their info. lol. On the other hand you're right you selfish little git. :P It's what the individual consumer (pc enthusiast) gets out of the experience and if they are HAPPY.... ;D If you're happy that's fine but DON'T expect everyone or anyone for that matter to get the same satisfaction from the product you LIKE. ;) LIKE Russ for example: He swears by the Silverstones! I've never tried them but I might later on as well as the Nexus or Noctua fans. The more you read and learn the more you're able to make GOOD decisions for your situation. :D
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More later gotta take the oldest to BB practice. :D
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10. January 2008 @ 19:46 |
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Was up i would just like to know if there is any amd processers over 4.0Ghz
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10. January 2008 @ 19:52 |
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not stock there isnt. but im sure can OC the new phenom 9600 2.3ghz to around 4.0... not sure on that one
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10. January 2008 @ 19:53 |
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Two things.
1.No stock AMD CPU over 4Ghz.
2.AMD Processors suck anyway. Get an Intel Core 2 Duo or Quad. Whatever fits your needs. GHz don't matter these days unless you're looking at the same kind of product.
For example GHz matter when comparing two different Core 2 Duos, but GHz don't matter when comparing AMD X2 or the Core 2 Duo. Their architectures are completely different so even if one has more GHz it doesn't mean it's faster.
EDIT: I seriously doubt that the Phenom can do 4GHz. On modest cooling a E6750 can do 4GHz but not much more, and I don't think Phenoms are better overclockers than Core 2s.
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The silverstones aren't noticeably bad for quietness, but they're not up to the top standard of other products - because they're designed for a ridiculously high top speed, running them at such a low comparative speed means they often won't sound as smooth, and indeed they don't. The bearings hiss far more than those of Fluid dynamic (Scythe, Noctua) or Sleeve (Nexus) bearings.
If you're stuck between Nexus and Noctua, go with nexus. Having owned both I can say that while Noctua fans have an exceptional airflow to noise ratio for about a week, after that the bearings start to whine, and while they're not loud, if you start noticing it, you'll probably never stop noticing it. I certainly didn't, and eventually they annoyed me too much, and I put the Nexuses back.
Slayer: no, but clock speed is completely irrelevant these days. The 3.0Ghz 6000+ is the equivalent of a 5Ghz+ Pentium D if such a thing existed, and the 2.66Ghz Core 2 Duo E6750 is as fast as a 6Ghz Pentium D, that's before you overclock it. It's not all about the clock speed, it's about the architectural design.
@Abuzar: lol you'd have trouble, that's when the PC gets shut down for overheat!
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Now imagine now much faster they are then P4s. Yet I still see P4 "gaming PCs" with a 6600GT on craigslist.
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10. January 2008 @ 19:58 |
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sammorris,
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So 26dB would be difficult to hear right? Then how come I can easily hear the FM121 at it's 20.8dB speed?
Not at all! It's just a question of how loud the background noise is and how far away from what you are trying to hear is. Also your ears are a bit directional as well.
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Well, all I know is, my ears say different. Since I'm only doing this for the benefit of my ears, that's all I really care about.
The quote you took that from was for abuzar1, and if you go by the advertised numbers for the Scythes vs my own Anechoic Chamber tests it is a correct statement! The Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F runs at 1600 rpm and puts out 63.7 cfm and makes 28 dBA of noise doing it! The Scythe SY1225SL12M runs at 1200 rpm, puts out 68.54 cfm and makes 24 dBA doing it. I'm at 24.8 dBA and 73 cfm at 1400 rpm. Close enough for me! It's a known fact that some noises bother people and some don't. With me, it's extreme high frequencies! Stuff that most people don't hear at all. Proximity sensors and motion detectors drive me crazy and actually hurt my ears sometimes. Dog whistles do it too!
I never said that the Silverstones are the quietest fans, but for most people they would be more than acceptable. One thing you can't take away from them is how well they perform and the lower noise they make at reduced fan speeds! Obviously noise bothers you more than it bothers me. my computer will never be as silent as yours, and most people do expect a computer to make some noise. You know, "sounds like a computer"! LOL!!
I had an old Athlon here this morning that had one of those old type OEM CPU coolers with a 90mm fan on top and an 80mm case fan and whatever was in the PS and it was annoyingly loud! Way louder than mine is! Compared to the noise I had with the previous fans I've tried, my computer is now much quieter and the noise it does make doesn't bother me in the least! We both probably spent as much money getting where we wanted to get to, although I was able to sell what didn't work for me. You are happy with what you have and I am happy with mine. It's just that most people are not that interested in a "silent PC", or what it costs to have one!
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The silverstones aren't noticeably bad for quietness, but they're not up to the top standard of other products - because they're designed for a ridiculously high top speed, running them at such a low comparative speed means they often won't sound as smooth, and indeed they don't. The bearings hiss far more than those of Fluid dynamic (Scythe, Noctua) or Sleeve (Nexus) bearings.
I quite agree about the bearing hiss. It does go away after a while of running and is mainly caused by the bearings needing to be run in to the races. Once that has been accomplished they are quite quiet. Sleeve type bearings, including fluid Dynamic bearings have their own flaws as well. The one big thing ball bearings have over all the others is, once bedded in their speed remains remarkably consistent with very little drift in speed so the noise you do get is at a steady frequency so it's much easier to get used to as it's always the same sound. It's funny! Everyone that comes here for the first time notices two things. All notice my Sceptre widescreen and drool over the picture quality, and all make remarks about how quiet my PC is! LOL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
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As for me, bass hum I can live with. Roaring of air and mid-frequency fan noise I dislike. Hissing I can't stand, and that's exactly what the FM121s do, as does my PSU fan unfortunately.
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