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25. February 2008 @ 18:40 |
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Shouldn't the Sata drive give you faster performance on your OS?
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25. February 2008 @ 18:47 |
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well with this mobo i only have 1 ide connector. and yes i have both my ide ODD's hooked up to that.
im sure the sata would be faster for the OS but not by much? im not really sure. they both ar 16mb cache. so i dont realy know how much faster the sata is over the ide???
with me doing it this way. im just gonna hook up the 100gb hdd install xp on it. do i have to format the sata drive or can i leave it alone as a slave drive take the stuff off of it then format it fresh like?
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25. February 2008 @ 19:46 |
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I'm sure he meant PCI card not PCI-e. ;)
What's funny is that I bought one today too. lol. NOT for an HDD but for Optical drives. As you guys might know the DS3P only comes with ONE IDE connection and I have this obsession with ODD's and I need to be able to hook up more than 2 ODD's with IDE capabilities sometimes. :P
Sam I picked up one of the 120mm AeroCools too. linky to fan Do you know if they will run with less than 10v? The specs indicate @ 10v-14v operational range but I know most fans will operate from 5v to 14v. :) tia.....
.....gm
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25. February 2008 @ 20:18 |
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no i think i ment PCI-e??? here is the linky to it...lmao
Linky to PCI-E
@greensman
whats going on here we thinking along the same lines here the past couple days???
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25. February 2008 @ 20:49 |
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Yup that's PCI-E.
You know what's funny? I've been mixing up you and GM for the past few posts lol.
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25. February 2008 @ 20:58 |
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CINCY---Thats a good use for a PCIE 1x slot, good price for extra IDE and SATA ports. Maybe I should do that instead of spending extra on the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 Rev. 2.0 with 8 SATA ports--- I already have 5 SATA devices with 3 500GB Samsung Spinpoints (which I plan on experimenting with RAID 5, the board supports it) and 2 Lite-ons
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25. February 2008 @ 21:00 |
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i dont know if i should put in my new red 120mm antec tricool led fan, or mess with my hard drives first???
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25. February 2008 @ 21:01 |
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The DS4 has better cooling.
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25. February 2008 @ 21:06 |
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I'll be honest with you lot here, i don't see a storming difference between IDE and S-ATA hard drives for OS performance, the access times are very similar. The only innate benefits of the architecture anyway are that the drives are newer tech, and that only seems to give benefits for size, transfer rate and noise. Actual performance loading XP off an old 160GB IDE versus a new 500GB drive isn't really that much different. You have to get a Raptor to really bring down the OS times, it's all about the transfer rate.
CincyRob: Unfortunately that's the way with things these days, people just don't expect you to use IDE much now. I hardly ever use an optical drive and all my HDDs are S-ATA so I rarely have call for even one connector.
You can install XP with a data drive attached, but you can't install XP to a drive that already has data on it. Hope that helps.
Greensman: I thought about that, but chose not to make that assumption, and it turns out I was right. Why not a PCIe controller card? They make PCIe RAID cards, they're the only version really worth buying!
On the Aerocool fans, they should spin up reliably at about 7-7.5V, that sort of region. Although they will stay spinning if you drop the voltage to about 4, fans need a much higher voltage to start spinning than to stay spinning, if you get my drift. Running them at 5V all the time isn't advisable, Running them at 7V all the time would probably be fine. With higher rpm fans (the 140mms are only 1000 or so I think) the required voltage drops. Deltas will, unsurprisingly start reliably at as little as 3V, so you could run them off a pair of AA batteries! lol
I don't think I've ever seen a fan with as many blades outside a graphics card, but with that many and at 1800rpm that fans going to make a high pitched noise, it'll not go un-noticed. Scaling it back to 7V should give you about 1050rpm, which should render it as quiet as the 140s, if a little higher in tone.
Jeez, three more posts in the time it took me to write this.
Deadrum: It is a cool use, it's time to find me some S-ATA equivalents to boost how many drives I can have in my server.
Rob: Why not both? Installing a fan is simple, so do that, and then mess with your hard drives - it'll keep them cool during the install lol.
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25. February 2008 @ 21:16 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
no i think i ment PCI-e??? here is the linky to it...lmao
Linky to PCI-E
@greensman
whats going on here we thinking along the same lines here the past couple days???
LOLZ...
My bad, I wasn't even thinking of the 1X PCI-e cards. :) I agree with DeadRum on the card rob. Nice buy and I wish I had the option of that card instead of the one that I purchased.
You got a 120 Antec RED LED fan?? Nice, where did you pick it up? hehehe. :P You get any other goodies?? :P
....gm
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25. February 2008 @ 21:18 |
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Heh, are you going to be pleased with me Rob, The red version of my case should arrive tomorrow for me to stick my server in, three red LED case fans hooray! Probably going to stick some Lazer LEDs in there too for added effect.
Sorry to disappoint Gm, but I turned down the green version, it was very limited in stock and £15 more...
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25. February 2008 @ 21:24 |
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@deadrum33
when i was at microcenter i had a different card in my hand before i got that one. it didnt have the sata connectors but had 2 ide connectors. so you could hook up 4 total ide devices. it was $2 more.
@sam
yea i know i cant install over a data drive.
what i was trying to say was.i am going to hook up the IDE hdd as slave. reformat it(wipe it clean). then take out the sata drive set it as slave. then put the IDE HDD as master then install xp on it. then just plug the sata drive in(as slave) copy the info i have on it to the 100gb ide drive and then format the 250gb and hopefully it will get all 250gb of the drive back..
i know once i format the 100gb and take out the sata drive i have to change boot up order to disc drive, to instal xp.
once thats all done go back and change the bootup to HDD. now the 100gb drive being master, it will see that, and boot to it and not the sata drive?
i gotta find a longer ribbon for this PCI-E card i dont think this one that came with it is long enough.
and for another question. i hook up this HDD to the ide card i have a empty spot on the ribbon. can i hook up a ODD to it? or can it only be another HDD seeing i allready have a hdd on that ribbon?
ok im done..docTY where you at buddy i got one of your post going here...lol
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25. February 2008 @ 21:27 |
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@sam
thats way to cool. you have to take a pic and post it with all those red lights going...lol
@GM
you want one of them PCI-e cards?
yea got a few other goodies with that fan.couple disc with some info on them. a boat sized power plug...lol
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ok im done here going to play with the bigREDmachine...lol
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25. February 2008 @ 21:29 |
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Isn't there a limitation of four IDE devices for a PC regardless of whether you have a card? Or is it only a max of four per chipset?
As for your plan, it'll work, as long as you've only got say 80GB of stuff on the 250, for obvious reasons!
You can hook up two drives on the same cable, regardless of what they are. It's supposed to reduce transfer speeds, but I never noticed.
You have my word on the pic, there'll be one here when they're setup - both cases together.
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25. February 2008 @ 21:32 |
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as of right now i only have about 20gb of stuff on the 250 right now. thats what im hopeing to fix with the newer XP install to be able to see all of that drive.
ok gone now.
bbltr
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25. February 2008 @ 23:08 |
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ok i got the fan in. got it set on medium. cant hear it at all. i have it on the top of the case. you know where GM..lol looks sweet. still have the blue one on the front of the case
got the IDE card in hard drive hooked up the mobo/windows installed it A-OK. i did notice a little icon on the task bar. gigabyte raid configure icon... do i need to do anything with that?
i clicked it on and shows the 100gb hdd as slave. i guess its ok.
i got the 100gb hdd formating right now can i install windows on it without makeing it master and the sata as slave?
no big deal i got the case still wide open so i can get to everything.
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25. February 2008 @ 23:18 |
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sam, you can have more the 4 ide drives in a pc as some boards has 3 & possibly 4 ide connectors for 6 to 8 drives. then you have your pci ide controller cards.
cincyrob, change your boot sequence in the bios so that a rom drive is 1, the ide hd is 2 & the sata hd is 3. don't need to remove sata when loading xp onto ide hd but watch carefully when installing it that it goes to the ide & not to the sata.
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25. February 2008 @ 23:22 |
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@ddp
thanks ill give that a try. im about 3/4 done formating the IDE drive
i'll go into bios change boot to disc drive 1st then the ide 2nd then sata 3rd...will it show in the bios which HDD is which?
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ddp
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25. February 2008 @ 23:25 |
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it should, at least the ones i've worked on did.
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25. February 2008 @ 23:25 |
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rob I'm a little confused and you know it doesn't take much. :P You want your 100GB IDE HDD to be your "OS" drive or the 250 SATA?? If it's the SATA then you need to set your 100GB to Slave and the SATA will do its deed. On the other hand if you WANT the 100GB drive to be your "OS" drive then you will need to set it to MASTER. You may have to go into the BIOS to set that drive (100GB) as the BOOT device as well but I'm not sure. Someone else mentioned that if I remember right. ;)
You likey the Antec?? I have a GREEN one in my AMD build and you can't hear it at all... As a matter of fact you can't hear that computer when it's running at almost any time. It's whisper quiet with the Corsair psu, 2 case fans, and cpu cooler fan (Zalman ZM-F2) with the TR Ultra 90. :D
@ALL,
I need some help choosing a mosfet cooler for my mobo. Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P, I pretty much have the NB and SB heatsinks chosen but some quality input on the mosfet cooler would be appreciated. tia....
...gm
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25. February 2008 @ 23:30 |
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once i get xp onto the ide hdd. before i change bootup order back to the hdd first should i then change master and slave? is there a slave slot on a sata drive? jumper pin???
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25. February 2008 @ 23:34 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
once i get xp onto the ide hdd. before i change bootup order back to the hdd first should i then change master and slave? is there a slave slot on a sata drive? jumper pin???
NO it will follow protocol somehow. Smarter than me tech is what I call it. lol.
...gm
btw thanks ddp for your help... :)
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25. February 2008 @ 23:38 |
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@GM
yes i want the 100gb ide hdd to have my OS and use the 250 as slave and storage
i gotta get me 2 more of them red fans. and then a cosair psu. looking at the 520w hx i think it is
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25. February 2008 @ 23:39 |
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cincyrob, satas don't use jumpers as i think that is done in the bios.
gm, what help was that?
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25. February 2008 @ 23:42 |
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ok im in bios now changeing bootup
i got cdrom 1st
then i guess its the ide(it say LS120 that was never in there before)
then 3rd boot hard disc(that must be sata)
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